Dies to Removal

@ Xander:

You mean once I re-read?

Get over it. I was wrong, and so were you.

Actually I was right the entire time. Even before you pointed out Yanni mixed up his roles (even though he was technically correct, Jones voted him. In a basic without a cc (despite Captain not saying anything), there was no way he could have pushed Yanni that strongly unless he knew Yanni was scum (ala Scum) or he was the other investigative role. Unfortunately, the only person who seemed mildly interested in Jones was PhantomS...

The only reason I began to think it was you over Jones was because of the piss poor play of not claiming. We were at a deadline, and you just
refused to claim as vanilla town. Instead, you became a distraction for the next day, and a potential mis-lynch because you wanted to draw a roleblock. In addition, you refused to cooperate, and had the exact same attitude I read off of Ximbad which was tomorrow doesn't matter. HUGE mafia mindset right there...

Good game.

I'm so fucking excited that I found evidence of Jones being scum! Even if it wasn't until the last Day, I found it, bitches!

And you all doubted me.

You had spent the entire day tunneling me, only at the very end, choosing to go after Jones.

I can't believe how hard core Jones bused Yanni. I mean, I caught him on it before, but even I had a hard time believing it...

Whatever,

Unvote Manders, Vote Dies

Was I right from the start, I guess we will find out...

1 Mafia + 4 townies = Lynch and lose? =/

Also, chill.

Vote Manders

GG, scrubs.

In her defense, I don't understand it either.

Lol.

Stay classy

Iunno. Does he need to be voting right now to lynch Ximbad?

No, but he has been radio silent since you jumped in.

Second line obviously at Iso.

I'm so done arguing with The Guardian.

I'm just going to wait for Night and see what happens then.

And, yes, Iso. I was targeted N2 and N3. Doesn't specifically say I was roleblocked, but that's a valid assumption to make.

Lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVznerpOkTI

All I did was post what you said earlier in the day. My point stands that you completely 180ed.

Where the hell is your brother, I am surprised he hasn't had anything to say.

Yes, I have been saying that. Your own "quote", however, shows that I've never been 100% positive that you're scum. I've always acknowledged Jones/Seps COULD be scum. Now, I happen to have located what I believe to be evidence supporting that theory.

I don't understand why you'll enjoy watching me turn back onto you (which I'm not completely off of you atm, btw) when I've said all along Jones COULD be scum, and so could you.

1st Bolded: I believe your exact word were: "You are scum, your scumbuddy is narrowed down, the game is good to go. " or: " I cannot see any other possibility, other than Jones royally pulling one over on me."

2nd Bolded: Why does that
matter? Iso just said I am going to be shot tonight...Obviously if you are town, one of us (me and Jones/Seppel is the last scum....Your wording makes zero sense.

Iso, when I flip town, please go lynch manders... I would hate to see you turn on your brother going into the next day.

You started out the day as hard on: GUARDIAN IS THE LAST SCUM!!!

You then tried to convince Iso that Kpaca/Seppel might have been wrong doing the complete 180. I said it would be funny as hell watching you complete the 360 by going after me, if Seppel gets shot and flips town.

And you definitly were sure, because almost every post was: "I am sure you are scum, unless Jones is completely fooling me".

Being confirmed town =/= being correct. Or will you trust his instincts if he decides you're the last scum? =0.

The only reason I want him to shoot me is because if I am wrong and Seppel is the last scum, I don't think I can convince him I am not scum. Shooting Seppel would be funny though, as if he flips town, you will do a complete 360. =p

As the only confirmed town, trying to act somewhat helpful and responsive might not be a horrible idea =/.

I'll probably be shooting Guardian. Pew pew. Better get me tonight! 8]

The suspense is killing me-°______°-

Wrong question Manders. The correct question is: Why would i not tell him to shoot you/seppel, if i am really town...

To answer your question, i really didn't care the order of my pairing. The alternative was to try and convince all of you manders was scum, which it seemed like a lot of wasted effort.

Iso: shoot either me or Manders. I think that breaks the game for town, if you don't outright pick correctly...

Don't worry about it man. Teefo is probably still trying to catch up.

I don't know about lynching Ximbad yet. I just don't see a solid case for that. I don't like the whole I don't claim thing from Manders, because as much as she claims to be misleading Mafia, the town was also being misled. I just don't know how a vanilla gets info about being targeted, specially in a basic, but you guys have more experience than me. In other words, I don't fully trust Manders and would support that lynch. Now that DSM is providing some more content, I can at least put something else on my spreadsheet other than "counterclaimed ( N_S )".

Let's hear from teefo, then.

It's the principle of POA (Process of Elimination).

Because I know I am town, and because I know you and Teefo are town based on alignment, I have two
scum to pick out of the three remaining players (Dies, Manders, and Ximbad). In addition to my own mod gaming theory, the interaction I have seen would not make sense of a Manders/Dies scum team (based on Jones's behavior in game).

The only two remaining combinations are Manders/Ximbad, or Ximbad/Dies. Which is why both myself and Dies want ximbad lynched (his combination elimination is Guardian/Manders).

Also, I could point to his balking/fence sitting/ and blantant uncaring for tomorrow and make a case if I really had to. It just seems like a waste of time...

That's not an answer.

All I want is an answer, regardless of whether it's already in the thread or not. You know I don't have much time to commit, yet you're purposefully making me have to go and re-read.

Page 18 was where you were spamming (mostly) Guardian quotes. From what I've seen, you've said almost nothing about Ximbad. On top of that, the only dichotomy is between you and Guardian.

Nobody's posting, not even the replacement.

Ximbad/Manders, final answer. I'm out.

Vote Ximbad

I'm not making you do a goddamn thing.

You said you read
it, and you just showed you did.

I already told you that the ONLY thing I have on Ximbad is PoE, and that is based on me thinking YOU are town.

Therefore, why the fuck would I vote Ximbad over The Guardian, who I showed evidence to support a theory of being scum?

Answer me that, and maybe I'll continue thinking you're town.

As of now, I'm not so sure about Ximbad.

Also, if you've decided it's me and Ximbad, why did you vote him? Why not vote me? You know, SINCE I ALREADY HAVE A VOTE ON ME AND THIS GAME/DAY HAS GONE ON FUCKING FOREVER AND PUTTING A VOTE ON HIM IS JUST RETARDED AS FUCK.

Can you tell me that, hon?

I believe you words implied here said that you cemented Ximbad as my scum buddy, unless Jones was REALLY pulling one over on you. What would make you change tomorrow from Xim to Jones/Dies that hasn't been said already?

That said, would like to here G_R and Teefo's opinion first, but I am fine going either Ximbad or Manders.

Quick Question:

Is Dies to Removal Seppel?

Do we have the users for a replacement?

This is getting God damn ridiculous.

Shalako I can understand, but ffs: There are FOUR MORE OF YOU (not including Manders). Clearly, there is nothing left to talk about. From what I can tell, myself and PS are for a Manders lynch, while Ximbad and Manders are for my own lynch. G_R seems slight leaning towards Manders, while Jones seems slightly towards me.

The irony being is that unless one of us switches, we are at a standstill...

Sparks fly in this heated battle....

*bump*

Prods?

G_R

I wouldn't be surprised if he bussed both buddies. In fact, the way he briefly mentions PS in his last sentence, he could be trying to paint the picture he is distancing from him, so that if Yanni flipped mafia, Phantom could be a potential mislynch.

@Ximbad

-_- (not sure if super scum, or just really new (regardless of alignment))

Let's pretend I'm mafia. Let's then assume I get lynched, blah blah blah, The Guardian was that falcon thing, Mafia Usurper. Go to night, G_R is the obvious night kill. Tomorrow comes leaving Manders, Jones, Phantom, and yourself. With 1 mafia left, you are still in MloL. PS is cleared which is good, you have one person to trust. But, you are still in the exact same situation as today. In other words, having an idea about what to do tomorrow is recommended.

You seem insanely unwilling to pick a side on either or. It's only "lynch the Guardian&
quot;, without a care in the world for tomorrow if you are right. The only reason I want to save you tomorrow is that aside from your unwillingness to leave your fence, my scum read on you is contingent on Manders and Jones not being scum together (a conclusion that if wrong, I will lose either way).

Out of gameRandomly off topic, if I am right about you Ximbad, I think I will have to buy Ziontie a steak =p.

I'm done arguing with you.

If you have motivation to win this game, you will do as I request. If not, the only thing I can think of a response to that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmyJ1RVfnPE

Are you not listening to me anymore?

I've already said who the last two scum are. I cannot
see any other possibility, other than Jones royally pulling one over on me. If that is the case, then I'd have to say it's you and Jones, not you and Ximbad.

And yes, GR. I wouldn't put it past Yanni to bus early on.

Oh how amusing...

You state you believe the combination is me and Ximbad, I ask you to explain why Ximbad over Jones, and then in the same sentence, you mutter that it has to be Me and Jones if Jones is pulling one over you... NO SHIT. If you are actually town, the only possible combination of scum are between me, Jones, and Ximbad.

Even after I asked multiple times, Ximbad has refused to make any argument about whether Manders or Jones is my scum buddy. He also refuses to acknowledges Manders point about him being my scumbuddy. Even if we pretend I am colorblind, and my role has red text instead of blue, he refuses to acknowledge Mander's claim that he is my scum buddy. That bothers me a bit.

@Jones: I realize this game is hella painful, and I have played
horribly in the beginning. I only ask you to consider my points, look at both Manders and Ximbad's behavior, and how neither one of them seems concerned about tomorrow, only that I should die and move on, despite the situation tomorrow still being Mlol, and come to a decision.

Maybe you both missed this part:

Just use my name in place of your own, and explain why you think that combination makes the most sense.

@G_R

Do you mind showing me what you are talking about? If you don't mind waiting, I can do it tomorrow, but it would be helpful. I am assuming you are looking at one specific interaction?

I'm done arguing with you.

If you have motivation to win this game, you will do as I request. If not, the only thing I can think of a response to that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmyJ1RVfnPE

Hardly. You are responsible for the no-lynch yesterday You are so wrong, it's actually almost amusing. That arrogant assurance that I HAVE to be scum almost makes me almost want to self-vote myself, just to laugh at how you single handily destroyed the town between today and yesterday.

Almost...

I mean, the reason I normally don't like basics is that I have a hard time reading newbies. At the start of the day, GR was my biggest read for scum, with Jones for some reason, falling off my radar. Looking at the day today, excluding PS and GR they are 3 possible scum combinations: MH/Jones, Jones/Ximbad, MH/Ximbad. Out of the three, the least likely one I see is Jones/Manders.

Out of the two remaining, the only constant factor of a team that makes sense is Ximbad. While its obvious to those not in my position at least one veteran is mafia. Maybe its because Mander's logic has been so fucking horrible this game, but the
likely combination to me is Manders/Ximbad, which I really dislike, because that means I was completely wrong about Jones.

What I would suggest, instead of whining that "OH HO HO, I'm scum", is to make the combinations yourself and see what makes sense. GR/PS really can't because they would have 4 people instead of 3, but Jones, Manders, and Ximbad can. Just use my name in place of your own, and explain why you think that combination makes the most sense.

Actually, the no-lynch was completely your fault. Had you actually claimed, we would have lynched you and had more options to go with today (had you been vanilla), or the lynch would have gone at me yesterday (had you been the PR you oh so hinted at being).

Instead, you balked, and I know I for one did not want to blindly hammer the potential last PR (which would have been either a bulletproof/doctor).

@Ximbad: STOP dancing around the question. Who is my scummate if they both can't be lying?

Your posts reek of desperation. I'm more sure you're scum than I've ever
been before.

And go read that day again. I hinted at no such thing. I said I was targeted. You guys ASSUMED it was because I was a PR.

I want to hear more from kpaca before I move my vote off of him. He hasn't said much at all in game for some time. Manders argument is very tedious and the results of her actions have been extremely bad for the town, but Ximbad also makes a solid claim against the guardian. It's a tough spot. Seeing as there has been no doc counterclaim I'm going to say that lynching GR would be completely moronic. I feel like we're not giving manders enough credit if we're saying that she's town, because she has proven to be an awful townie if one, so that's where I'm leaning the strongest, but again, kpaca needs to talk more words.

I agree on GR (though I'm not sure how I missed his claim).
That leaves Guardian and Ximbad as the last two scum unless Jones has thoroughly pulled the wool over my eyes...which is completely possible.

How pathetic.

You must be somewhat worried if you are taking my posts to be a cause for desperation. At this stage of the game, I really don't care if I get lynched or not. We essentially shot ourselves in the foot yesterday, and had I known you would force a no-lynch (and yes, YOU forced a no-lynch) I would have just brought the wagon back on me. At least with me gone, the remaining town could concentrate on finding the last two scum. Even if I was scum, the last thing I would sound is desperate. You would have no idea who "my" scumbuddy is, and still be in MloL, with my partner knowing the last real PR. I have such a hard time believing you to be town Manders, if you are really reading my posts that way. It feels like you are trying to paint me, shifting the no-lynch off of your shoulders.

And there has been no one I have seen
refuse to claim as a vanilla town.

@PS

You agree with Ximbad's point, even though his own belief had you and Manders pulling some sort of shot gambit?

As far as my play is concerned, I admit my town play has never been strong (and I quote, NEVER). But even with the mistakes I have made, it should be apparent than none of my actions make ANY sense from a mafia mindset (herf derf, vote town claimed PR, not hammer Manders, justifying it as a deadline lynch). Do whatever you want (town), but if you had the balls to lynch me, yesterday was the day. Move on, decide between Jones, Ximbad, or Manders, or hell, humor me and list who you think my scum buddy is, and see if we can't figure something out.

Tl:dr: I die, town loses. Belief or disbelief of that statement lies with you. Vote Manders

Actually, the no-lynch was completely your fault. Had you actually claimed, we would have lynched you and had more options to go with today (had you been vanilla), or the lynch would have gone at me yesterday (had you been the PR you oh so hinted at being).

Instead, you balked, and I know I for one did not want to blindly hammer the potential last PR (which would have been either a bulletproof/doctor).

@Ximbad: STOP dancing around the question. Who is my scummate if they both can't be lying?

So instead, you chose to not claim, caused a no-lynch, and instead of rallying for even my own lynch (which would have been better than a no-lynch), you say nothing...

Your goal as a vanilla is also to be the default lynch, to PREVENT a no-lynch from happening. When no one knows what to do in the game, guess which roles they start with first?

@Ximbad: It's funny I say that I will go after anyone for any reason, when in the same paragraph, you mutter that either myself, or PS+ Manders are scum. What you fail to mention is that if I am scum, does that mean both Manders and PS are town, despite PS being a claimed vig. You also don't mention that if I am scum, does that mean that neither of them are?

Unvote you clown...

Actually, you very well may be scum. You were strangely quiet about the whole Manders questioning yesterday, only saying that I was the only wagon you saw as legitimate, despite plenty of discussion from others.

@Manders: Because, I am at a loss. I really can't wrap my mind around a Jones/Manders scum team remaining, and yet, I can't decide between you two. Ximbad is a newbie, so I can't read him. G_R's behavior was hella scummy, but he has an un-cced claim which clears him. I am just dead in the water right now. I asked Jones to hammer because my lynch yesterday would have made a world of difference.

So, we need some Jones commentary right now...

Oh, missed that... For some reason, I can't get it out of my head that Manders isn't a PR.
Unvote GR

*shrugs*

Vote G_R


I still have yet to seem do any prodding of other players, he is still playing passively in his posts today (despite it being MLoL). Still want to hear from Jones...

So, I take it your 'toughguy' theory went out the toilet?

Also, Manders: Keep in mind the only reason I didn't hammer you into oblivion was because you REFUSED to claim, and when I went to check back, Shalako already declared it a no-lynch. So let us be clear: Your death, ESPECIALLY because you are vanilla, would have benefited the town, much more than your life would have been today. Even my lynch yesterday would have been better, because that's one less person to worry about. Jones/whoever else thinks me scum could be moving on. Instead, now I may very well be the mislynch that costs us the game.

As a town PR, I could see you slow rolling yesterday because you don't want to out the last role. But knowing that you are (ability wise) useless, we are on a deadline, and you claim you can't be around much? Horrible, HORRIBLE ways to carry out the day yesterday, and I have been strongly considering pushing for your
list because of that (in addition to clear fence sitting your series of posts showed between myself and others).

As an aside, the fact that you seem to be in between us, declare to lynch me, but refuse to take a side on the other two shows from a mafia perspective, you only have an interesting in getting that single mislynch. Tomorrow never happens if I die, afterall...