I entered my first SE with the recent heal edition - I played G1 URw Delver, G2 Infect and G3 Split - it wasn't really the greatest selection of MUs but the build did well.
I'm not sure I'm comfortable beating Pod and Junk with the list though, it seems like I'll need many things to go in my favor to produce positive results (need to wait until I face them).
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- Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:53 pm
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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@Khaos: After playing Levy list, how do you feel about Blood Moon vs Extra LD (I'm looking at Cryoclasm mainly) for the Online Meta game?
On that note: someone lead me 2x Blood Moon for 2-3 days please
On that note: someone lead me 2x Blood Moon for 2-3 days please
- Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:45 am
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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Just Confirming, Lightning_Dolt were you running the Heal's latest version with 10 face burns and 10 flex burns MD or was it the older RDW list?
I'll argue the Burn version is better vs Control and G based decks, while RDW is better vs Twin and Affinity (though both version are fairly decent in these MUs).
I'll argue the Burn version is better vs Control and G based decks, while RDW is better vs Twin and Affinity (though both version are fairly decent in these MUs).
- Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:56 pm
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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I don't know where too post this, but what are your thoughts on Heal's RDW list vs his currently list which I'll call a Burn list overall?
Mind you I'm currently playing Burn in online because its better vs G/B/x (though I'm running a tweak version of Hocking deck, the thread is here).
Mind you I'm currently playing Burn in online because its better vs G/B/x (though I'm running a tweak version of Hocking deck, the thread is here).
- Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:33 am
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- Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:49 am
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- Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:37 am
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- Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:40 pm
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B-B-but LP said (I'm fairly sure LP played the deck):
Logically I can see why, but hey YOLO lets just kill them quickly and be done with it (nothing wrong with YOLO'ING)Spellbomb does several things:
It replaces dead cards while still advancing your gameplan
It's a headache for twin
Kills etched champion and pro red guys like burenten forge tender and kor firewalker
It's a bomb.
Searing Blaze vs. searing blood is per pref. I literally didn't think when I typed blaze, but I prefer blood most of the time which is probably just me being greedy but I've been very happy with it and it gets around leyline of sanctity.
- Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:05 pm
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- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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The problem is that the x/4 we want to kill have flash so rift bolt isn't likely too do the job.
I'm not saying your wrong Khaos, the only difference we're having is play-style - your trying to race the combo deck, we're trying to delay them - I see the bomb as a removal spell rather then a lava spike...
I'm not saying your wrong Khaos, the only difference we're having is play-style - your trying to race the combo deck, we're trying to delay them - I see the bomb as a removal spell rather then a lava spike...
- Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:45 pm
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Not a fan of Dismember vs Zoo either.
Seem like we have different experience against Twin (I come from a more Burn and tempo background, heck I even play twins ) I dislike how Rift advises itself and its slow nature, I feel that Spellbomb on the other had represent an uncountable burn which results in a situation where they simply CAN'T combo because they need to counter everything too go off, add Grim in the mix, Dismember and so on and you'll have them at a point where it would take 8+ mana before its "safe".
That said I agree its fantastic for racing and I love how its a free spell when you actually cast it - perhaps racing them is better then hindering them I guess I'll find out once I finally sink some hours into it, though it is alarming that the list didn't make a dent on the MTGO winning page.
Seem like we have different experience against Twin (I come from a more Burn and tempo background, heck I even play twins ) I dislike how Rift advises itself and its slow nature, I feel that Spellbomb on the other had represent an uncountable burn which results in a situation where they simply CAN'T combo because they need to counter everything too go off, add Grim in the mix, Dismember and so on and you'll have them at a point where it would take 8+ mana before its "safe".
That said I agree its fantastic for racing and I love how its a free spell when you actually cast it - perhaps racing them is better then hindering them I guess I'll find out once I finally sink some hours into it, though it is alarming that the list didn't make a dent on the MTGO winning page.
- Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:03 am
- Forum: Aggro
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Why? its Sorc speed - its rather weak compared with our other options.
Heck its best utility its killing the 0/4 guys which our other cards can just do better (I'll even keep fork bolt over it (that is how much I hate it)).
That said: MDU = ZERO Experience, Khaos = Experienced so please explain it too me why you think Rift Bolt is good here.
So far: I kinda like the Blood Moon and LD vs Affinity on the play plan (cause YOLO) keep up the advice guys
EDIT: Thoughts on "Making it Molten Rain" vs other aggro decks like 2/3 color burn? Or Zoo?
EDIT2: NM I just notice that if we're "making it happen" vs Affinity (the king of modern aggro) we can do it vs everything else (within reason).
Heck its best utility its killing the 0/4 guys which our other cards can just do better (I'll even keep fork bolt over it (that is how much I hate it)).
That said: MDU = ZERO Experience, Khaos = Experienced so please explain it too me why you think Rift Bolt is good here.
So far: I kinda like the Blood Moon and LD vs Affinity on the play plan (cause YOLO) keep up the advice guys
EDIT: Thoughts on "Making it Molten Rain" vs other aggro decks like 2/3 color burn? Or Zoo?
EDIT2: NM I just notice that if we're "making it happen" vs Affinity (the king of modern aggro) we can do it vs everything else (within reason).
- Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:40 am
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[deck=Heal's RDW]Creatures 20
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
Spells 20
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
4 Molten Rain
2 Forked Bolt
2 Shrine of Burning Rage
Land 20
2 Keldon Megaliths
10 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn
Sideboard 15
2 Dragon's Claw
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Dismember
2 Blood Moon
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree[/deck]
this a shot either on Sunday if I can convince Kait or IO2 to play the MOCS5 for me or if I can't next week - please tell me if I'm approaching any of the MUs incorrectly.
I'm still missing Blood Moons which is a tad depressing but I'll just buy em
EDIT:
Affinity
Draw:
Out
4 Goblin Guide
4 Molten Rain
In
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree
1 Dismember
Play
Out
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil
2 Shrine
In
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Blood Moon
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree
1 Dismember
YOLO?
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
Spells 20
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Rift Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
4 Molten Rain
2 Forked Bolt
2 Shrine of Burning Rage
Land 20
2 Keldon Megaliths
10 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn
Sideboard 15
2 Dragon's Claw
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Dismember
2 Blood Moon
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree[/deck]
Heal's List SB'ing Guide Round 2
I'm giving this a shot either on Sunday if I can convince Kait or IO2 to play the MOCS5 for me or if I can't next week - please tell me if I'm approaching any of the MUs incorrectly.
I'm still missing Blood Moons which is a tad depressing but I'll just buy em
EDIT:
Affinity
Draw:
Out
4 Goblin Guide
4 Molten Rain
In
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree
1 Dismember
Play
Out
4 Goblin Guide
4 Vexing Devil
2 Shrine
In
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Blood Moon
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree
1 Dismember
YOLO?
- Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:25 am
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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- Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:20 am
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Great advice Mr Leader@LD - hit me up on MTGO - I have all the important decks on there (important = runs Mountains ) and am happy to lend you cards. All of us are happy to lend you cards! Then you can simply play the list and either win lots and buy it yourself or decide it's a pile
In Legacy Red Burn is playable right now, thanks to Eidolon
In Modern Red Burn is playable as it can simply snag free wins but RDW is a MUCH better deck
If I wanted to build up tix on a budget I'd either borrow a deck from us or play MonoU in Pauper (which I think Z said he'd lend ya?)
Esp: "If I wanted to build up tix on a budget I'd either borrow a deck from us or play MonoU in Pauper (which I think Z said he'd lend ya?)" borrowing cards is the king of budget options because it is free
- Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:21 am
- Forum: Aggro
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Short answer: NoMDU, where there any worthwhile updates to the Beta?
Long answer: They fixed some crashes, here is the list of update:
Wide Beta
General
Updated: Removed Beta tag from client.
Updated: Magic Online User Agreement.
Web Link to new EULA.
Added: Magic Online Privacy Policy.
Web Link to new MTGO privacy policy.
Updated: Magic Online Payment Page.
Web link to payment page.
Fixed: Several crashes around collection, tool tips, and joining games.
Fixed: Several memory issues around Chat and Trade.
Updated: Help tab, including Help, Report Bug, Report Player Conduct, Request Reimbursement, has been updated with more robust information.
Trade and Collection
Fixed: One sided
trades (cards for nothing in return, for example) now update collections and binders correctly.
Fixed: New trades no longer open behind the main Magic Online window when using a windowed display.
Fixed: Classified columns no longer resize to minimum width after a trade.
Fixed: Using Wish Lists with more than 400 valid matches now notify the player correctly that not all cards can be added to the trade.
Fixed: List view context menu now works correctly in trade.
Fixed: Issue with adding cards not in your collection to a deck that caused incorrect legality warnings.
Fixed: Issue that was creating empty Wish Lists.
Fixed: Issue that prevented context menu from adding multiple copies of a card to a trade after that trade had been initially submitted.
Fixed: Deck categories are now in the same order as other format displays.
Added: Players are always warned when they are about to open a booster pack or other sealed product.
Fixed: Players can now see all cards their trade partner has in their binder,
including promo cards and reprinted cards.
Updated: When using a Wish List, your trade partner's binder will be filtered to match the Wish List.
Added: Quantity indicator on cards in your trade partner's binder that shows how many are in your collection.
Fixed: Adding cards to a deck sorted by converted mana cost now inserts cards with new costs in the appropriate locations.
Play Lobby, Duel Scene, and Tournaments
Updated: Player information box in the Duel Scene has been redesigned.
Added: New drop from event confirmation dialog.
Fixed: Card highlighting now works correctly, even if the card cannot be fully displayed in its window.
Fixed: Issue in Play Lobby and Challenges that prevented a player from selecting a deck if a format was selected first.
Chat
Updated: Adjusted default chat settings.
Updated: New chat alerts persist until they are dismissed.
Fixed: Chats docked to a visible window no longer send alerts.
Fixed: When using /away chat command, if a message is entered after /
away it now displays correctly.
Source mothership
- Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 am
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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Which format?
If its Modern LP, Khaos, Nerd and Lazer would have more experience (I never really recovered from the DRS banning (yet))
If it Pauper: Z is the best man to ask, (this is another format which wasn't really the same for me post banning (I like playing against 8post (lol)))
If its Standard: I can help you with that (I'm almost done with my QP quota and I believe Lazer isn't playing his standard deck right now either) so we should be able to get lead you the whole deck .
If its Legacy: I think I'll be testing this myself next week or Modern depend on whatever juicy information I can gain from this thread
If its Modern LP, Khaos, Nerd and Lazer would have more experience (I never really recovered from the DRS banning (yet))
If it Pauper: Z is the best man to ask, (this is another format which wasn't really the same for me post banning (I like playing against 8post (lol)))
If its Standard: I can help you with that (I'm almost done with my QP quota and I believe Lazer isn't playing his standard deck right now either) so we should be able to get lead you the whole deck .
If its Legacy: I think I'll be testing this myself next week or Modern depend on whatever juicy information I can gain from this thread
- Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:53 am
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- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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MTGOGOLDFISH (which Lazerburn mention too you earlier in the clan thread).How many tickets would this be on modo? Any place I can check?
That said with Moons and fetches with will be rather expensive (cheaper then most other Modern decks or Paper but still expensive) if you want to play cheap Red and win you'll need to play legacy (it will cost you $82 at most) and it is at least rank 4th place in winnings.
Well.... I guess Urza Tron Mono Red in pauper is ok as well (it cost $11) but echoing Z, if you enjoy to wining you almost have no reason not too play Mono U Control in that format.
- Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:19 am
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- Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:43 pm
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It honestly doesn't hurt, this isn't standard so splash away (it'll only be an issue vs other fast aggro decks like Zoo, Mirror, Burn and Affinity).I'm probably crazy for thinking about this, but I can't shake the idea of tossing in 1-2 Stomping Ground for Destructive Revelry out of the board (substituting for Smash to Smithereens).
My mind is telling me no, but my body is telling me yes.
- Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:06 am
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Still haven played the list yet but I do like reading these SB'ing plans and deck performance opinions - I'm still undecided if I just want too this or Revel in Burn.
Since I havn't play the list nor have I played Modern in awhile you shouldn't give my comment much weight BUT I personally believe cutting Grim vs Twins is a mistake, I also think Jund is a bad MU not really sure how too improve it (I might try a revamped P.Sul list).
Since I havn't play the list nor have I played Modern in awhile you shouldn't give my comment much weight BUT I personally believe cutting Grim vs Twins is a mistake, I also think Jund is a bad MU not really sure how too improve it (I might try a revamped P.Sul list).
- Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:00 am
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- Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:24 pm
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Ash is quite good vs Snappy and Lingering decks, its not like we're running vaults so double RR isn't a problem so beside her being another target for Spell Snare I don't think its horrible (I'll personally run VD over her (online at least) because people love combo so getting that fast kill is really important).
P.S. Val when are you going join the DtR Clan online? We've surpassed the old clan's booster count under a month with very little members and now most people DtR forum goers are in it, so join us!!!.
P.S. Val when are you going join the DtR Clan online? We've surpassed the old clan's booster count under a month with very little members and now most people DtR forum goers are in it, so join us!!!.
- Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:06 pm
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During my timezone, the answer would be no.... (not even joking - sometimes 4 standard events would be running side-by-side with only 1 active modern event going on.....)
If you get lucky and keep going 3-0 or 2-1 with the Modern happy crowd then I'll imagine the rate would be bearable other wise you'll be in for LONG waits after each fire.
If you get lucky and keep going 3-0 or 2-1 with the Modern happy crowd then I'll imagine the rate would be bearable other wise you'll be in for LONG waits after each fire.
- Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:51 pm
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- Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:02 am
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- Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:49 am
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- Sun Jun 15, 2014 4:16 am
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That list almost makes me want to take the Adrian Sullivan's Simian Spirit Guide route.
- Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:01 pm
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- Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:51 am
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- Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:58 am
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Fringe decks mainly, horrible stuff like Hive Mind, Boggles, Soul Sister, Reanimator and so on.mdu, what decks are you facing that are bringing in Leyline? Cuz I've been looking at the online stats and I didn't see a deck that was playing it (a relevant deck, anyway).
Leyline doesn't lock us out as badly if we were playing Burn or something. You can still punch through with creatures. However, Leyline actually makes our game plan...simpler. Any Burn spell or Shrine can now just be used to clear a path for your 1/1's and 2/2's. And don't forget that Vexing Devil damage doesn't target.
- Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:42 pm
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- Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:01 pm
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You could run enchantment Sweepers which would beat boogies outrightWhat exactly would those cards accomplish? You don't really care about enchantments and Bogles is already a bad matchup that Revelry will not solve. You already have maindeck hate for Storm and your Twin matchup is highly favored without a reactive card like Rakdos Charm. You don't need a splash to play Dismember so that's a wash.
That said I'm struggling too find room in my 75 with just artifacts and red anyways
- Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:46 pm
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- Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:19 am
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Would running 4x Pillar of Flame solve the issue with Pod (over 2x Folk Bolt and 2x Dragon Claw)?
- Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:32 pm
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- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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@Longtoe: Is the Burn MU really that bad, even with Dragon Claw?
@ALL: Anyone get anymore testing in, how is Relic of Progenitus are you guys using it against Pod and Jund as well (if so how is it)? or is it just for Living End and Gift decks.
@ALL: Anyone get anymore testing in, how is Relic of Progenitus are you guys using it against Pod and Jund as well (if so how is it)? or is it just for Living End and Gift decks.
- Sat May 31, 2014 10:00 am
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@LP: are you still testing the deck? what are your thoughts on Gigex's Flame Javelin over Molten Rain plan.
Actually how good is Molten Rain in modern?? Is it really MD'able??
Actually how good is Molten Rain in modern?? Is it really MD'able??
- Tue May 27, 2014 11:40 am
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- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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Sounds logically enough, I like how Flame Javelin doesn't trigger Eidolon of the Great Revel.
I should note that Molten Rain is quite good vs Jund (manlands), Tron, Scapeshift and Robots (kinda) not just UWr.
I should note that Molten Rain is quite good vs Jund (manlands), Tron, Scapeshift and Robots (kinda) not just UWr.
- Tue May 27, 2014 7:38 am
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Just a thought, if dismember is mainly for Twin (you wouldn't use it against goyf right?) wouldn't Combust be just better or does Spellskite and Battleskull from twins board justify the dismember?
- Mon May 26, 2014 10:41 am
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[deck=Nicholas Heal's RDW]Creatures (20)
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
Lands (20)
11 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
1 Keldon Megaliths
4 Scalding Tarn
Spells (20)
2 Shrine of Burning Rage
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
2 Forked Bolt
4 Molten Rain
4 Rift Bolt
Sideboard 15
2 Dragon's Claw
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Blood Moon
2 Dismember
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree[/deck]
Help me dissect the sideboard:
2x [card]Dragon's Claw[/card] for Zoo, Mirror, Burn and Storm
4x Pyrite Spellbomb for ProRed creatures (infect, Robots) decent spell vs Control (gets under counters and cantrips)
2x Relic of Progenitus Graveyard hate (its a auto-include in modern - good vs Jund, Pod, Gifts, Living End, many many more)
n2x Blood Moon You autowin vs most of the modern field
2x Dismember mainly for twins
2x Smash to Smithereens Robots and Tron
1x Shattering Spree Robots
Is this correct? if you cut the Claws would it be for magma spray pillar (I typed spray without thinking ) or extra shrines?
4 Goblin Guide
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Vexing Devil
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
Lands (20)
11 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
1 Keldon Megaliths
4 Scalding Tarn
Spells (20)
2 Shrine of Burning Rage
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
2 Forked Bolt
4 Molten Rain
4 Rift Bolt
Sideboard 15
2 Dragon's Claw
4 Pyrite Spellbomb
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Blood Moon
2 Dismember
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Shattering Spree[/deck]
Help me dissect the sideboard:
2x [card]Dragon's Claw[/card] for Zoo, Mirror, Burn and Storm
4x Pyrite Spellbomb for ProRed creatures (infect, Robots) decent spell vs Control (gets under counters and cantrips)
2x Relic of Progenitus Graveyard hate (its a auto-include in modern - good vs Jund, Pod, Gifts, Living End, many many more)
n2x Blood Moon You autowin vs most of the modern field
2x Dismember mainly for twins
2x Smash to Smithereens Robots and Tron
1x Shattering Spree Robots
Is this correct? if you cut the Claws would it be for magma spray pillar (I typed spray without thinking ) or extra shrines?
- Sun May 25, 2014 5:53 am
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: Red Deck Wins
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Most likely our best bet follow by additional creatures in the SB like Keldon Marauders or 1 extra land like Keldon MegalithsIf the UWR matchup does prove fairly difficult, I'd try:
A) More Shrine
With Neil's list this is like a T6 play (if we're lucky) which makes it counter bait - Koth is better in Val's version2) Koth
I prefer Blood Moon vs them, since it slows them down quite a lotEh) Magus of the Moon