Dies to Removal

Feel free to humor us with what you'd like to replace it with.

Let's put it another way, none of the Standard decks are really good, so as long as you play a reasonable looking base you'll be fine.

Yeah, it was the list Not a Robot posted. fffreakslittlebro recently played a newer list though.

[deck]Creatures
3 Butcher of the Horde
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Seeker of the Way
3 Soulfire Grand Master
Spells
4 Hordeling Outburst
2 Thoughtseize
4 Crackling Doom
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Wild Slash
4 Outpost Siege
Lands
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Caves of Koilos
3 Mountain
4 Nomad Outpost
1 Swamp
4 Temple of Triumph
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Sideboard
2 Thoughtseize
3 Anger of the Gods
1 Glare of Heresy
2 Mastery of the Unseen
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Valorous Stance
3 Wingmate Roc[/deck]

I hate Wingmate Roc for obvious reasons, but like moving toward TS to shore up Control and it's fine vs. GR.

@Jsilv - I havnt been on this site as much as I'd like in past 6 months, are you the Jsilv that does content for CHannel Fireball? If so your thoughts on the RW splashes would be awesome.

I am. I think the Mardu splash is worthwhile (at least online) because it helps the GR match out without adding another dead card vs. Control. I think straight RW was better when people hadn't adjusted to quad Outpost Siege and decks going under. Basically it adds a card that RW doesn't have access too and people can't really play around.

I tried the Mardu build that 7-0'd the PTQ and like it a little more than my own. I'm either playing it or Abzan Control (because Abzan Control has no truly terrible matches ATM).

Jsilv - 27 lands?

It's 25, the two Plains aren't in there. I was c/p'ing a RW list and just editing a little bc the decks are effectively the same except one has Crackling Doom and the other doesn't. I edited it now.

@kaits: Elspeth is prbs better than Sorin since they both die to Glare anyway, so point to you.

@it's worse than R/W: I actually tried this bc Stark specifically said after talking with Sam Black that his deck would've been much better w/ Crackling Doom. The mana is basically on the same level as Jeskai and there's nothing in RW that replicates what Crackling Doom does for the deck. Butcher can basically be any big dumb thing, I just like it because Butcher is a 4-drop and gives us options late when the 2/2's are sitting there being useless. This is why so little of the main RW deck was changed. This is a build aimed at winning mirrors and having a reasonable shot vs. bigger Forest decks.

@all: Readd 3-4 Mastery of the Unseen if you want to have game against UB Control and Sultai. I think that match is pretty awful regardless unless the stumble, but it's definitely the most impacting card we have other than Siege.

[deck]Creatures
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Soulfire Grandmaster
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
2 Butcher of the Horde
Spells
4 Chained to the Rocks
1 Valorous Stance
1 Arc Lightning
3 Lightning Strike
4 Crackling Doom
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Outpost Siege
Lands
4 Nomad Outpost
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Battlefield Forge
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Swamp
6 Mountain
Sideboard
2 Gurmag Angler
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
2 Abzan Advantage
1 Erase
2 Arc Lightning
3 Murderous Cut
2 Glare of Hersey[/deck]

Crackling Doom makes your Forest - Giant Donk matches significantly less dogshit and Butcher of the Horde is respectable across the field, though it isn't particularly great at anything. Hordeling Outburst was in here, but proved to be pretty shitty when everyone and their mum knows you run mono 2/2's and maybe a Stormbreath Dragon. Instead of just being a massive dog to Bile Blight or Drown with most hands, Butcher gives you some protection and Crackles keeps Courser and Rhino in check. The biggest drawback is that it dies to Stoke, Chained and Glare in the mirror, meaning that despite potential lifegain it's usually better to swap or run in conjunction w/ Angler. Without the recursion ability on Tasigur you may as well go with the Fish that haumphs 4/5's.

Sarkhan is probably better than Stormbreath now if you have enough patience to never play it first in the RW mirror. Both of them are butts against decks with Murderous Cut and Downfall. Sorin may just be worse with Outbursts cut, but I haven't played enough games to really tell you.