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- Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:51 am
- Forum: Aggro
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- Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:14 am
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- Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:01 am
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- Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:50 pm
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- Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:33 pm
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This mono blue deck seems very interesting and original, just thought you guys might appreciate it.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/mo ... ino#online
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/mo ... ino#online
- Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:41 am
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- Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:14 am
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- Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:42 pm
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- Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:34 pm
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Swerving Remand to Swerve does NOT give you your Swerve back. It'll be in the graveyard when Remand tries to resolve, and Remand will be countered on resolution.
As a permission-light Delver player, the combo matchup is fine. If they don't interact, they're usually dead by turn 4. Taylor Swift kills much faster than Insectile Aberration.
As a permission-light Delver player, the combo matchup is fine. If they don't interact, they're usually dead by turn 4. Taylor Swift kills much faster than Insectile Aberration.
- Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:09 am
- Forum: Aggro
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What do you think about Dragon's Claw in the mirror? I understand the card disadvantage aspect of playing the card, and wouldn't dream of bringing in 4 copies, but if I had it in my sideboard and boarded out my Spell Pierces for 2 Dragon's Claws and something relevant, I could see it helping. I just don't know if it's good enough to warrant the inclusion.
- Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:53 pm
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: [Primer] UR Delver
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Is Burn really bringing in Rain of Gore on the off chance their opponent plays Dragon's Claw? I could see that happening g3, but g2?
Molten Rain is an obvious card that has pretty much always been in and out of Delver sideboards. It's good against Tron and Celestial Colonnade decks.
I think Dragon's Claw is also fine in red mirror matches and against Storm. I lost a game to it (one of very few games I've lost in a Delver mirror) to an opponent's Dragon's Claw, and it seems reasonable to bring in in the mirror, but I haven't tested it myself.
Having tested the deck much more and taken it through a few tournaments, I've noticed the following (of my Swiftspear list):
-We can't beat Chalice of the Void game 1. It did happen to me a few times when testing against mono-U Tron.
-We have very good matchups with Merfolk, BGx, Affinity, Pod, and non-Swiftspear Delver lists. Remand and Spell Snare are terrible against one-drop Delver. Remand is ONLY good at hitting Treasure Cruise, and then only if you're ahead. We both run 4 Pyromancers, so those are even. Snapcaster isn't fantastic against us or for us, and I'm down to 2 and might drop lower.
-RG Tron is a fine matchup.
-I haven't lost to Burn since adding Dragon's Claw.
zemanjaski - I agree that Dragon's Claw is pretty much only for Burn (despite having made claims about its playability in other matchups that may or may not hold water). However, if Burn is the only truly bad matchup, isn't it worth dedicating some sideboard space to? I have a friend testing UWR Delver with 4 Leyline of Sanctity on his board for the same reason (though the card has greater usability in other matchups). What other matchups are bad? (U Tron isn't prevalent enough to be really worth worrying about, obviously, but Molten Rain is great against them, so there's that)
Molten Rain is an obvious card that has pretty much always been in and out of Delver sideboards. It's good against Tron and Celestial Colonnade decks.
I think Dragon's Claw is also fine in red mirror matches and against Storm. I lost a game to it (one of very few games I've lost in a Delver mirror) to an opponent's Dragon's Claw, and it seems reasonable to bring in in the mirror, but I haven't tested it myself.
Having tested the deck much more and taken it through a few tournaments, I've noticed the following (of my Swiftspear list):
-We can't beat Chalice of the Void game 1. It did happen to me a few times when testing against mono-U Tron.
-We have very good matchups with Merfolk, BGx, Affinity, Pod, and non-Swiftspear Delver lists. Remand and Spell Snare are terrible against one-drop Delver. Remand is ONLY good at hitting Treasure Cruise, and then only if you're ahead. We both run 4 Pyromancers, so those are even. Snapcaster isn't fantastic against us or for us, and I'm down to 2 and might drop lower.
-RG Tron is a fine matchup.
-I haven't lost to Burn since adding Dragon's Claw.
zemanjaski - I agree that Dragon's Claw is pretty much only for Burn (despite having made claims about its playability in other matchups that may or may not hold water). However, if Burn is the only truly bad matchup, isn't it worth dedicating some sideboard space to? I have a friend testing UWR Delver with 4 Leyline of Sanctity on his board for the same reason (though the card has greater usability in other matchups). What other matchups are bad? (U Tron isn't prevalent enough to be really worth worrying about, obviously, but Molten Rain is great against them, so there's that)
- Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:23 am
- Forum: Aggro
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- Thu Oct 16, 2014 6:14 am
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- Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:10 am
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- Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:39 am
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1-1 in the Daily after playing Burn twice, and I've caved and added Dragon's Claws to the board.
Streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/nezeru
Here's the list I'm running right now:
[deck]
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Delver of Secrets
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Serum Visions
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Treasure Cruise
1 Pillar of Flame
4 Vapor Snag
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Spell Pierce
2 Twisted Image
1 Burst Lightning
Sideboard
2 Counterflux
2 Grim Lavamancer
1 Vedalken Shackles
3 Pillar of Flame
3 Shattering Spree
2 Combust
2 Dispel
[/deck]
2-1 so far, just beat an Ally deck in r3 (didn't know that was a thing at all)
Ended up 2-2
New sideboard: 3 Dragon's Claw, 12 other cards
Results:
Burn 2-1
Burn 0-2
Allies 2-1
Burn 0-2
WTF was that lol
Streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/nezeru
Here's the list I'm running right now:
[deck]
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Delver of Secrets
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Serum Visions
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Treasure Cruise
1 Pillar of Flame
4 Vapor Snag
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Spell Pierce
2 Twisted Image
1 Burst Lightning
Sideboard
2 Counterflux
2 Grim Lavamancer
1 Vedalken Shackles
3 Pillar of Flame
3 Shattering Spree
2 Combust
2 Dispel
[/deck]
2-1 so far, just beat an Ally deck in r3 (didn't know that was a thing at all)
Ended up 2-2
New sideboard: 3 Dragon's Claw, 12 other cards
Results:
Burn 2-1
Burn 0-2
Allies 2-1
Burn 0-2
WTF was that lol
- Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:23 am
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: [Primer] UR Delver
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You could sideboard into Twin, but the problem is that Twin and Delver tend to have very similar matchups.
Another option is sideboarding into Blue Moon, but the problem is that Blue Moon and Delver tend to have very similar matchups.
...Also, I played against a guy who was playing white strictly for sideboard cards, so that's a thing too apparently. Touching green for Grudge just makes a good matchup better (and red has a preponderance of effective artifact hate anyway) while touching white gives you Leyline of Sanctity for the Burn matchup (or you can just run Dragon's Claw, which is excellent from our deck full of red spells) and some other matchups, Geist of Saint Traft for shoring up UWR and Tron matchups, and some other options. Wear/Tear is a great card as well.
Another option is sideboarding into Blue Moon, but the problem is that Blue Moon and Delver tend to have very similar matchups.
...Also, I played against a guy who was playing white strictly for sideboard cards, so that's a thing too apparently. Touching green for Grudge just makes a good matchup better (and red has a preponderance of effective artifact hate anyway) while touching white gives you Leyline of Sanctity for the Burn matchup (or you can just run Dragon's Claw, which is excellent from our deck full of red spells) and some other matchups, Geist of Saint Traft for shoring up UWR and Tron matchups, and some other options. Wear/Tear is a great card as well.
- Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:20 pm
- Forum: Aggro
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I haven't lost a match yet in testing, just won 2-0 over UWR Kiki, which used to be a terrible matchup (at least, I never did well in it). I'm up to 4 Treasure Cruise maindeck, and casting them turns 3 and 5 is not uncommon.
Current list:
[deck]
Creatures: 14
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Delver of Secrets (sorry, I like having 8 1-drops in my aggressive deck that runs 19 lands)
3 Young Pyromancer (respect)
3 Snapcaster Mage (maybe 2 is better)
Sorceries: 12
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Serum Visions
4 Gitaxian Probe
Instants: 15
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Vapor Snag (great with Swiftspear, fine vs Tron, never really dead)
3 Spell Pierce (on the fence about this card, it's been good, but I miss Remand, so I might try fitting that back in. It's hard to justify Remand and Swiftspear in the same deck, unfortunately. Remand is bad in some matchups, though)
2 Burst Lightning
1 Twisted Image (this is surprisingly relevant, and fine to use on a Swiftspear to do +2 damage and draw a card for one mana)
1 Electrolyze (the greed)
Lands: 19
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
1 Arid Mesa
4 Steam Vents
3 Island
1 Mountain
Sideboard: 15
1 Vedalken Shackles
2 Counterflux
3 Pillar of Flame (burn to the face seems more relevant than Magma Spray, and my deck is sorcery speed anyway)
2 Dispel
2 Grim Lavamancer (has been underperforming, maybe I'll try Flashfreeze or something instead)
3 Shattering Spree (just replaced Ancient Grudge and swapped Stomping Ground in the manabase for the fourth Steam Vents, still testing)
2 Combust
[/deck]
The sideboard can probably change dramatically. On paper, I still run a Keranos and Batterskull on the board.
Monastery Swiftspear has actually been amazing in testing, though I had very low expectations for the card. I understand it takes the deck in a different direction (and I hate not running Remand as much as the next guy) but I've also never been a fan of 4x Remand in any Modern deck, so it's been a straight swap for Spell Pierce to keep the 1cmc trend going. One of the reasons for Shattering Spree on the board is getting around Chalice on 1 and 2, something Grudge can't do. Also, it kills more artifacts, and I still don't mind it being a sorcery much in my list.
Jeff Hoogland has a UWR version with Dig Through Time, and perhaps Dig > Cruise in a non-Swiftspear list(though one mana vs two is a big difference) so that might be worth testing.
Current list:
[deck]
Creatures: 14
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Delver of Secrets (sorry, I like having 8 1-drops in my aggressive deck that runs 19 lands)
3 Young Pyromancer (respect)
3 Snapcaster Mage (maybe 2 is better)
Sorceries: 12
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Serum Visions
4 Gitaxian Probe
Instants: 15
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Vapor Snag (great with Swiftspear, fine vs Tron, never really dead)
3 Spell Pierce (on the fence about this card, it's been good, but I miss Remand, so I might try fitting that back in. It's hard to justify Remand and Swiftspear in the same deck, unfortunately. Remand is bad in some matchups, though)
2 Burst Lightning
1 Twisted Image (this is surprisingly relevant, and fine to use on a Swiftspear to do +2 damage and draw a card for one mana)
1 Electrolyze (the greed)
Lands: 19
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
1 Arid Mesa
4 Steam Vents
3 Island
1 Mountain
Sideboard: 15
1 Vedalken Shackles
2 Counterflux
3 Pillar of Flame (burn to the face seems more relevant than Magma Spray, and my deck is sorcery speed anyway)
2 Dispel
2 Grim Lavamancer (has been underperforming, maybe I'll try Flashfreeze or something instead)
3 Shattering Spree (just replaced Ancient Grudge and swapped Stomping Ground in the manabase for the fourth Steam Vents, still testing)
2 Combust
[/deck]
The sideboard can probably change dramatically. On paper, I still run a Keranos and Batterskull on the board.
Monastery Swiftspear has actually been amazing in testing, though I had very low expectations for the card. I understand it takes the deck in a different direction (and I hate not running Remand as much as the next guy) but I've also never been a fan of 4x Remand in any Modern deck, so it's been a straight swap for Spell Pierce to keep the 1cmc trend going. One of the reasons for Shattering Spree on the board is getting around Chalice on 1 and 2, something Grudge can't do. Also, it kills more artifacts, and I still don't mind it being a sorcery much in my list.
Jeff Hoogland has a UWR version with Dig Through Time, and perhaps Dig > Cruise in a non-Swiftspear list(though one mana vs two is a big difference) so that might be worth testing.
- Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:34 pm
- Forum: Aggro
- Topic: [Primer] UR Delver
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This deck is absurd now. Treasure Cruise is terrible against blue Tron, but that was already unfavorable and not popular, so hopefully becoming favored against two bad matchups is worth losing points to a fringe deck.
I tested against Jund a lot over the weekend and won every single match. It wasn't even close.
I'm still testing the Swiftspear because it just kills people and lets us race Burn, but I'm not sold on it being good or bad yet. Certainly you can't run it and Remand in the same deck, which is a red flag.
Treasure Cruise is so insane, I added the fourth copy to my main deck over the weekend and cast it turn 3 and turn 5 of the same game.
Edit - it might be worth a mention that the Swiftspear is actually insane in our bad Tron matchups.
I tested against Jund a lot over the weekend and won every single match. It wasn't even close.
I'm still testing the Swiftspear because it just kills people and lets us race Burn, but I'm not sold on it being good or bad yet. Certainly you can't run it and Remand in the same deck, which is a red flag.
Treasure Cruise is so insane, I added the fourth copy to my main deck over the weekend and cast it turn 3 and turn 5 of the same game.
Edit - it might be worth a mention that the Swiftspear is actually insane in our bad Tron matchups.