Dies to Removal

Nai

Look, I'm getting too frustrated posting back and forth with you, N_S. I'll let Gals work with you guys for a while.

Nai

Nai, you guys never mass-banned people to the point that a thriving subforum died at your hands. That is a first in 7 years of MTGS history. What we are asking is a modicum of goodwill, not that you come here antagonizing people and calling them liars. What we are asking is for people to throw new ...

Nai

I'm trying to get you guys to appeal so we can get you back on the site. There is someone in this thread who's saying appeals doesn't work, and citing a situation that never actually happened. It's my job to show that it didn't happen. You don't have a job here on this site, unless posting and invo...

Nai

The issue that many have here is that you're a banned member asking for favors. No other banned member (and there have been a small handful of discretionary banned members, you can include them in this) would get an agreement for a different way to get an appeal through. You're asking us to underst...

Nai

Please don't derail the discussions here by lying, thank you. Nai, stop. Just stop. You are antagonizing people accusing them of being liars and rehashing the same arguments. Stop. This discussion is headed in the right way and we need to keep bringing constructive propositions to the table. That's...

Nai

This sort of thing is new and has never happened before, yes. But you also need to understand that you're asking for something way, way different than we've ever done before for anyone. You need to understand that you're asking for special treatment. And that's a big problem for a lot of the staff....

Nai

Clearing out an entire subforum whose permissions once gave a normal user access to Administrator control is not an ordinary thing. I know I have the bias of being a part of it, but we were involved in an exceptional thing. It's not every day entire subforums get put up on the chopping block and ca...

Nai

Guys, if you ever go for the appeal process, just say "Scumbag made me do it" in case people call you out on something. You have my blessing. That happened to me and the Process that Nai is proclaiming lead to me being screwed. For God's sake Nai you guys didn't even have the courtesy to ...

Nai

Some of these are decent points. But there's also the reason we actually make it democratic: having a number of minds on the situation gives us multiple viewpoints and helps to ensure that we're getting it right. There's five admins. If we are the ones dealing with the unbannings, not only is it go...

Nai

Why do you guys need to pick us one by one in some cave? Aren't we discussing already? Who is moving this to a cave? Nai has requested multiple times that we take this ongoing discussion to individualized hidey holes in the MTGS appeals subforum instead of outside in a public space. I've asked you ...

Nai

Again, I would love if we could explore alternatives in order to reach something more of a B) case scenario. As opposed to private individual appeals on MTGS, do you think something else could be worked out? Maybe we could strike an agreement if some new ideas are brought to the table? The issue th...

Nai

Posting on a website that isn't MTGS isn't an exceptional thing, nor is saying, "You should make an appeal thread to appeal your ban." I believe Pendulum asked as much earlier in this thread. While I'm sure Pendulum in his wildest fantasies believes he holds as much sway over MTGS as you ...

Nai

But, understand, to the staff, this is basically out of the ordinary. Well Nai, do understand that our bannings are basically out of the ordinary since we were all discretionary banned. So, how do we fix this exceptional situation in a non-standard way? Can we work out something better than the sta...

Nai

Clearing out an entire subforum whose permissions once gave a normal user access to Administrator control is not an ordinary thing. I know I have the bias of being a part of it, but we were involved in an exceptional thing. It's not every day entire subforums get put up on the chopping block and ca...

Nai

Since I am the only one here who has not been dragged through the appeal process mud in the past, I am willing to be a sacrificial lamb to the appeal gods. Nai, I cannot stress this enough that I expect my appeal to be handled swiftly. I feel I am owed that courtesy after being forced to write up a...

Nai

I think admin's current approach to lower staff putting you in a fairly awkward and impractical position. Democracy, input, dialogue, back-and-forth - all of these are good things, from an idealistic stand point and a practical one. Giving lower staff a voice in the site's affairs, is a good thing ...

Nai

The last time I did that, I posted for IIRC 4 pages to 12-18 total responses, several hundred views without comment, and many posts made in my thread were, in short, "Wait a bit for it." And I did, for close to a month, for nothing. Your initial posts said you were here, Nai. I have been ...

Nai

Get back to work. Oh, you mean your job for you? Very well. Hey, Nai, if you were in Kaitscralt's position what would you do? That's a good question, actually. In the (somewhat) recent past, I was actually banned from a community I liked for bad reasons. It was done directly by the owner of the com...

Nai

The staff doesn't unban without appeals. So if you want to be unbanned, that's the way to go. What I'm trying to do is help you get a successful appeal. Part of that is changing the way the staff feels about you and what's going on. You've given Sene a lot of information about why you should be unba...

Nai

I've said repeatedly that I'm not just going to unban you, that the decision to unban is one that has to be done by the entire staff. when I say "you" I mean the staff at large. I always assumed this was clear. And the staff has basically come to the conclusion that you guys aren't worth ...

Nai

Any affinity for any of the maritime lasses, Nai?

Not particularly. Nothing against them, you understand, but there's different wants between me and them. Different underlying desires. For instance, I can't get oxygen from water, so that's already a long-distance relationship.

Nai

I've said repeatedly that I'm not just going to unban you, that the decision to unban is one that has to be done by the entire staff. And the staff has basically come to the conclusion that you guys aren't worth unbanning, that doing so will cause more trouble and that we'll be making a big mistake....

Nai

If you guys are okay with the Gutter closing, I'll simply pass that along and we'll process that immediately in preparation for this. Bannings should occur first and then the unbanned people should discuss this in the right place: the Gutter-Staff pegging chamber, where (hopefully) no one will feel...

Nai

Do you like shark chicks Nai?

They tend to be rather aggressive, so I usually give them a pass.

Nai

Why do we have to prove anything to the rank-and-file mods of Salvation? If they won't even come here to learn the facts then how do they have a say in what happens to us? I feel using this thread plus PM's and the file Boubs created should be enough in this circumstance. Because that's how 'Salvat...

Nai

If you guys are okay with the Gutter closing, I'll simply pass that along and we'll process that immediately in preparation for this.

Thrillho: Yes, that's true. But I know a lot of mods aren't willing to come here for various reasons.

Nai

It's not a question of 'impressing with proof of piety'. It's a question of 'showing that the same problems aren't going to happen again'. Many of the mods believe that unbanning will just lead to more problems. More drama bombs. What we need to do is show them that their fears are unfounded, that ...

Nai

i dont believe it because mods shown they cant be trusted

No skin off my back.

Nai

I've never cried foul about infractions and suspensions, even my first ban. I've always ridden them out. Only the last one, which was foul, have I been crying foul over. But really, we could go in circles forever about how individuals are going to cope with punishments and nobody will know what hap...

Nai

Good point. In my defense, that was less 'leaving the discussion' and more 'Hey, Curse, info please?'

Nai

@Kijin: The main question here is how to show to the staff that you guys intend to be valuable members of the community, that what has past is over and done with, that you want to be on the site and intend to make it a greater place. What you have right now is a few admins who are willing to talk, w...

Nai

Damn, you guys don't have multiquote. @Col. Khaddafi: I'm not going to mince words: That's exactly the attitude I'm not going to work with. This is not a 'not able'. This is a 'unwilling'. If you are going to passive-aggressively end a post with 'Was it worth it', I'll move on to the next person. @E...

Nai

I'm not sure I follow that line of thinking. It's not as if the administration doesn't have access to the Gutter. Also the Zombie Gutter sucks, nobody wants to post there. It's not on the list reasons I want access to my Kaitscralt account. From how its been explained to me, it's basically a banner...

Nai

I'm not sure I follow that line of thinking. It's not as if the administration doesn't have access to the Gutter. Also the Zombie Gutter sucks, nobody wants to post there. It's not on the list reasons I want access to my Kaitscralt account. From how its been explained to me, it's basically a banner...

Nai

I'm not sure I follow that line of thinking. It's not as if the administration doesn't have access to the Gutter. Also the Zombie Gutter sucks, nobody wants to post there. It's not on the list reasons I want access to my Kaitscralt account. From how its been explained to me, it's basically a banner...

Nai

No offense Galspanic but it looks like an iPhone or something really damaged that post, I am having trouble figuring out what you are trying to say. He's saying the Gutter is a McGuffin but most of the staff see it more like Chekov's Gun. I don't think McGuffin is the trope you're looking for. Basi...

Nai

So, whats up with the sally server ? or are you not allowed to say ?

From what I understand, Curse is having some server issues right now. A few servers went down and our site was on one of them. A few other sites are down. They're getting people on it, from what we were told.

Nai

@Nai: My apologies for intruding on your conversation, but I, as curious bystander, am very curious what changes to the Gutter's behavior you would like to see, specifically and, as you say, just personally. Also, WB. If you're asking what do I want to see as a precursor to the the banned members r...

Nai

I had left this site alone for a while after my last post here, since I didn't feel I should intrude any longer. Az talking directly to me on 'Salvation had me curious. I decided to look over here, and was pleasantly surprised by this. Current MTGS administration: I'm sorry I used my anger over my f...

Nai

Where was this level of directness months ago? I've always been as direct as I can be. If you're talking about Curse specifically? They asked us to say nothing. Repeatedly. Nothing about the sale, nothing about them in relation to the Gutter. Given that they were going to be the new owners, we thou...

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