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- Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:43 pm
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I've been talking with zemanjaski about this game over PM and he tells me that he targeted rezmo with his kill Night 1. I jailed Z, but he never got a PM letting him know that his ability failed. He assumed the mafia nightkill had been blocked somehow instead (since rezmo did die), which greatly impacted his understanding of what went down overnight. Not bringing this up to bitch about it since I did have fun this game, but Suga, if you're modding in the future, you've got to be really on the ball with Night actions. If Z had been town and claimed to have not been blocked overnight, it would have caused me to claim my role and get Z lynched for lying, which obviously impacts the game in a big way.
- Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:49 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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Day 1 can be quite long. It's occasionally short (see Kaze's Newbie Mafia), but most often targets shift, claims are extracted, and a lynch is finally decided after some enough information has finally come into the thread. That can take a while. Future Days (2 and onward) are always shorter. I'd guess 5 or 6 pages on average?Do most games have 19-page Days? Because I'm not sure I want to do this much more often if I have to come back to 4 new pages every day for a week. I got into a routine of rarely doing rereads because I rarely had time to do anything more than a read for content, and in my inexperience was unable to get good reads from just that.
The length might be partially my fault. I like to talk a lot and I also tend to change my
reads a lot.
- Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:04 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:25 pm
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- Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:23 pm
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I don't even track my wins/losses. Just saying I'm really happy with my performance and feel like we really should have won (assuming the rest of the town didn't just up and lynch me!). I pushed both you and Z to lynch and both of you were scum, so that's pretty sweet.Stardust I know you said you're chalking it up as a win, but so am I
freedom! You had a guilty on imopen and chose not to come forward? Nice.
- Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:16 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:11 pm
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imopen used his Janitor shot Night 1, so he couldn't have been bus driven. Z targeted rcw? So I saved the mafia godfather when I jailed Z? Good work, me!
I was on to you towards the end. Even if I wasn't, you and ham were the only people not confirmed town in my mind.Stardust: you had us pegged at one point but you managed to convince yourself that I was town
- Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:03 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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Really? Wow. The town had 1 shot to kill the godfather. rezombad wasn't even a real vig. Like... this game is so obviously unbalanced.Spam reviewed it. :shrugs:
Anyway, thanks for modding. Sucks to end in a loss for such a stupid reason, but I'll chalk this up as a win considering my reads were pretty damn good.
- Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:00 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:56 pm
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- Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:41 pm
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I would have been tempted to try and use zem, but imopen's right that if we had left Z alive and then went on to mislynch, he would just kill a townie to seal the win for himself. In any case, it's too much of a risk if the mafia have a redirector or something (or a bus driver? ).
Nah, he's probably lying anyway. Z hasn't been playing as a neutral. He's too invested. LMD's lurking makes sense from a neutral perspective. Z not caring about lynching a townie Day 1 makes sense too. But then why bite into freedom so hard? Why push against me so hard?
I'm interested to see what "evidence" he's got in his role PM. It's obviously at least partially wrong. Self-watcher that's revealed on death or something?
Welp, see you on the other side gentlemen!
Nah, he's probably lying anyway. Z hasn't been playing as a neutral. He's too invested. LMD's lurking makes sense from a neutral perspective. Z not caring about lynching a townie Day 1 makes sense too. But then why bite into freedom so hard? Why push against me so hard?
I'm interested to see what "evidence" he's got in his role PM. It's obviously at least partially wrong. Self-watcher that's revealed on death or something?
Welp, see you on the other side gentlemen!
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:55 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:30 pm
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:03 pm
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:41 pm
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- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:18 pm
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A bus driver switches all things that would target those two players. Anything that targeted rcw would target rezombad instead. Anything that targeted rezombad would target rcw instead. It doesn't interact with rcw's abilities at all.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but yeah, it's possible imopen is lying. The main reason why I think he probably is telling the truth is that I don't think rezombad was a very good choice for the nightkill. Left alive, one of two things would happen. 1) He's 1-shot, and I carry on going after him as I was at the end of Day 1, or 2) He's multishot and he shoots me in Day 2. Either way the mafia benefit from him staying alive.
rcw, on the other hand, was a good target for the nightkill. Relatively active, confirmed town by his ability... so I tend to believe imopen when he says they were switched.
All that said, I have been burned before by assuming that everyone thinks like
me. I strategize assuming my opponent's will be doing the same, in the same manner. That's sometimes not the case, so I end up making the wrong call. Maybe rezmo was targeted by the nightkill and scumopen2 wanted to burn his hidden flip ability so he could make an awesome bus driver claim. Dunno. With only two days to go before deadline, that's best left for Day 3 anyway.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but yeah, it's possible imopen is lying. The main reason why I think he probably is telling the truth is that I don't think rezombad was a very good choice for the nightkill. Left alive, one of two things would happen. 1) He's 1-shot, and I carry on going after him as I was at the end of Day 1, or 2) He's multishot and he shoots me in Day 2. Either way the mafia benefit from him staying alive.
rcw, on the other hand, was a good target for the nightkill. Relatively active, confirmed town by his ability... so I tend to believe imopen when he says they were switched.
All that said, I have been burned before by assuming that everyone thinks like
me. I strategize assuming my opponent's will be doing the same, in the same manner. That's sometimes not the case, so I end up making the wrong call. Maybe rezmo was targeted by the nightkill and scumopen2 wanted to burn his hidden flip ability so he could make an awesome bus driver claim. Dunno. With only two days to go before deadline, that's best left for Day 3 anyway.
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:40 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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I know you said you're avoiding the mafiascum wiki because you want to make your own reads, but please at least look up the power roles so you understand what's going on. A miller is a player who is town, but will investigate as scum to any cops who look into them (a cop is a role who, at night, can target a player and learn if they're town or scum). rcw is also unlynchable, a separate ability that means he can't be lynched.He claimed saving you and sent the scum to Rezombad with bus driver ability. How would he know who is the miller to save you? Before we voted to test your miller status?
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:37 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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Counting back from Dec 16 (end of Day 1), running tally based on what I consider significant interactions (offhand mention, indirect comments and inclusion in T/S list doesn't count).
http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?key ... sf=msgonly
zemanjaski/LMD - 1234
Wraith223 - 12345
Stardust - 12345678
rcwraspy - 123
imopen2 - 1
GR - 1
Doc - 1
in addtion, Z gets negative points for the weakness in this post.
If rez is scum, Wraith is town based on this post.
rcw's interactions were frequently grilling rezmo on things
no one else was pushing against. Town points for rcw (again, if rez is scum).
I noticed in passing that imopen's posts surrounding the dayvig aren't great. Will look into later. The end of this post isn't great either. And this post.
Results:
Lots of interaction: Stardust, zemanjaski/LMD, Wraith, rcw
Some interaction: imopen2
Little or no interaction: GR, DocLawless, hamfactorial, freedom
And the previous interaction work...
YMMV
http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?key ... sf=msgonly
zemanjaski/LMD - 1234
Wraith223 - 12345
Stardust - 12345678
rcwraspy - 123
imopen2 - 1
GR - 1
Doc - 1
in addtion, Z gets negative points for the weakness in this post.
If rez is scum, Wraith is town based on this post.
rcw's interactions were frequently grilling rezmo on things
no one else was pushing against. Town points for rcw (again, if rez is scum).
I noticed in passing that imopen's posts surrounding the dayvig aren't great. Will look into later. The end of this post isn't great either. And this post.
Results:
Lots of interaction: Stardust, zemanjaski/LMD, Wraith, rcw
Some interaction: imopen2
Little or no interaction: GR, DocLawless, hamfactorial, freedom
And the previous interaction work...
Adding those together (and assuming rezombad's scum), we can maybe sort-of clear Wraith, rcw and Stardust. zemanjaski interacted with him a fair bit, and LMD had one detailed post on the guy, but nothing aggressive and there's that one super weak post I found as well, so that's still feeling okay.Lots of interaction: Wraith, rcwraspy, Stardust
Some interaction: zemanjaski (LMD), freedom
Little or no interaction: Jones (DocLawless),
hamfactorial, imopen2, G_R
YMMV
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:29 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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Oh yes, that I did. Basically meaning that you'll say a bunch of stuff that makes a bit of sense, then BAM! From out of left field you make a vote that defies logic, even your own. I played a few games of Werewolf over Christmas with my family (grandma included). Not meant as an insult, just that I don't get you at all.Dude, you called me a grandma with CRS.
What about the mud slinging and the bandwagoning?
So, here's a post from Pie. In it he displays a heathy amount of what I've been calling townie rage. That's why I unvoted. His response to pressure was very townie. Would townStardust unvote if that post changed my read?
I'm not even sure how you can read that unvote as scummy, especially since I started a new case on rezombad which
would have only distracted from the Pie wagon. It was not at all clear that Pie was going to be the lynch. Here's a votecount from shortly after Pie voted himself. zemanjaski was reading him as town. freedom and Doc hadn't really said much of anything about Pie that I can recall and weren't about to vote for him until Z changed his mind and pushed them hard for a read. That's not the time for scum to jump off a wagon for town cred. Considering probably no one in this game other than me had ever heard of townie rage I could have just said, "Yep, self-vote, scum" and let you guys finish the job without drawing any attention to myself at all.
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:05 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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Wait a second. So you're suggesting that townStardust would obviously want to lynch the good nightkill targets, but scumStardust would instead want to save them for the nightkill? Why bother wasting a lynch on a perfectly good townie, may as well kill some of the unknowns? Is that it?not interested in certain players that are clearly good targets and go after players that are outliers
Where did I name call? Where did I mud sling? For that matter, where did I bandwagon?
As for imopen's claim, let's take zemanjaski as an example for a sec. He hasn't claimed yet. If he did, would you suspect him more because he might be lying?
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:49 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:45 pm
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Jesus, Wraith. Playing with you is like playing Werewolf with my alzheimer's-stricken grandmother.
What's scummy about my voting record?
Why are you using scare tactics? Of course we'll be 2 townies down if we lynch town today. That shouldn't stop us from lynching someone.
Why are you so concerned that Z might be town yet you seem to have no fear at all that I'm town?
I went into detail earlier about the double voter, but it is very likely a town ability.
Stardust's official want-to-lynch count!
zemanjaski - 3.5 - Stardust, imopen0.5, GR, rcwraspy
hamfactorial - 1.5 - imopen0.5, GR
Stardust - 3 - zemanjaski (?), hamfactorial (?), Wraith223
Need to hear from: Jones, freedom
What's scummy about my voting record?
Why are you using scare tactics? Of course we'll be 2 townies down if we lynch town today. That shouldn't stop us from lynching someone.
Why are you so concerned that Z might be town yet you seem to have no fear at all that I'm town?
I went into detail earlier about the double voter, but it is very likely a town ability.
Stardust's official want-to-lynch count!
zemanjaski - 3.5 - Stardust, imopen0.5, GR, rcwraspy
hamfactorial - 1.5 - imopen0.5, GR
Stardust - 3 - zemanjaski (?), hamfactorial (?), Wraith223
Need to hear from: Jones, freedom
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:30 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:29 pm
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- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:12 pm
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Stardust's official want-to-lynch count!
zemanjaski - 3.5 - Stardust, imopen0.5, GR, rcwraspy (?)
hamfactorial - 2.5 - Wraith223 (?), imopen0.5, GR
Stardust - 2 - zemanjaski (?), hamfactorial (?)
Need to hear from: Jones, freedom
? means I'm assuming based on what they've said recently rather than from a direct reply. Feel free to change anything, I'll keep the tally running. I'd suggest asking for a claim from either whoever's highest (after all have checked in) or if someone reaches 4 (since we're 5 to lynch at the moment).
zemanjaski - 3.5 - Stardust, imopen0.5, GR, rcwraspy (?)
hamfactorial - 2.5 - Wraith223 (?), imopen0.5, GR
Stardust - 2 - zemanjaski (?), hamfactorial (?)
Need to hear from: Jones, freedom
? means I'm assuming based on what they've said recently rather than from a direct reply. Feel free to change anything, I'll keep the tally running. I'd suggest asking for a claim from either whoever's highest (after all have checked in) or if someone reaches 4 (since we're 5 to lynch at the moment).
- Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:23 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:49 pm
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- Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:19 pm
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Ugh, I'm tired of repeating myself. Your text wall is full of untruths and questions I've already answered. It doesn't even matter. Lynch me first if you guys want to. I'm 90% sure we've got this game in the bag without any further evidence.
So, in the interest of being able to extract a claim and analyze, everyone should consider the deadline to be the end of today, Wednesday. That'll give us time to avoid scrambling at the end. The three lynch options are zemanjaski, hamfactorial or Stardust. State in your next post who your prefered lynch would be of those three, we'll get a claim based on responses from everyone and go from there. Good?
I'll go first: zemanjaski.
So, in the interest of being able to extract a claim and analyze, everyone should consider the deadline to be the end of today, Wednesday. That'll give us time to avoid scrambling at the end. The three lynch options are zemanjaski, hamfactorial or Stardust. State in your next post who your prefered lynch would be of those three, we'll get a claim based on responses from everyone and go from there. Good?
I'll go first: zemanjaski.
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:50 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:30 pm
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Time to review rezombad's interactions since I believe he's dead scum.
Grills townZ for a bit. Asks GR a throwaway question. Asks me a real question.
Trolls townZ with haikus and simpson pics. Answers Pie's question in detail.
Back and forth with Wraith. These guys are definitely not both scum. He even asks me about Wraith... trying to get me on board maybe?
Kills townZ.
Considers going after rcw after I start doing so and discusses rcw's claim a bit. Carries on not believing the claim later on.
Votes
freedom for WTF, then unvotes.
Makes a bad case on me and refuses to answer my questions. Repeatedly.
Continues to call rcw scum.
That's it.
Lots of interaction: Wraith, rcwraspy, Stardust
Some interaction: zemanjaski (LMD),
freedom
Little or no interaction: Jones (DocLawless), hamfactorial, imopen2, G_R
I'll do the reverse interactions tomorrow.
I've also concluded that imopen must be town. Like, 99% based on what happened last night. This is conditional on me being town (which I obviously know), but unless someone else can explain why rezombad died, I'm going to assume imopen is town.
RVS votes LMD (replaced by scumZ) waaaaay after RVS is over. Later unvotes and plays is as a reaction gambit. Lots of WIFOM surrounding this, but could have been used to distance.Vote Lord_McDonalds
Grills townZ for a bit. Asks GR a throwaway question. Asks me a real question.
Trolls townZ with haikus and simpson pics. Answers Pie's question in detail.
Back and forth with Wraith. These guys are definitely not both scum. He even asks me about Wraith... trying to get me on board maybe?
Kills townZ.
Considers going after rcw after I start doing so and discusses rcw's claim a bit. Carries on not believing the claim later on.
Votes
freedom for WTF, then unvotes.
Makes a bad case on me and refuses to answer my questions. Repeatedly.
Continues to call rcw scum.
Here's a solid interaction with scumZ. Replied to later in some detail.Is this you trying to set me up for a mislynch later? Or are you just being petty because you got shot for being scummy as fuck?Must be nice to do nothing, badly fuck up, then go back to doing nothing knowing you won't be lynched or NK'd. Can you at least try to help?
What about rcw being unlynchable makes me suspicious?
That's it.
Lots of interaction: Wraith, rcwraspy, Stardust
Some interaction: zemanjaski (LMD),
freedom
Little or no interaction: Jones (DocLawless), hamfactorial, imopen2, G_R
I'll do the reverse interactions tomorrow.
I've also concluded that imopen must be town. Like, 99% based on what happened last night. This is conditional on me being town (which I obviously know), but unless someone else can explain why rezombad died, I'm going to assume imopen is town.
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:21 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=171307#p171307:2e1h33b2]hamfactorial » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:01 pm[/url:2e1h33b2]":2e1h33b2]I'm good at math, not interpreting passive aggression. What's incorrect about my mod analysis? I posit that Suga wouldn't replace Z into a mafia role because he'd have an advantage from town interaction prior to death.[/quote:2e1h33b2]
What advantage would he have? It skews his play regardless of town or mafia. If he replaces into a town role, he can do a better job of proving it by holding to his former (confirmed town) reads. If he replaces into a scum role, he needs to work with those reads as well. Usually replacement with dead players is avoided for this reason.
Anyway, just take my word for it that it does happen. Captain Murphy replaced into a scum role after dying as town in Checkbox mafia.
What advantage would he have? It skews his play regardless of town or mafia. If he replaces into a town role, he can do a better job of proving it by holding to his former (confirmed town) reads. If he replaces into a scum role, he needs to work with those reads as well. Usually replacement with dead players is avoided for this reason.
Anyway, just take my word for it that it does happen. Captain Murphy replaced into a scum role after dying as town in Checkbox mafia.
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:32 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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No. Every scum player "knows the alignment of 2-3 mafia players, as well as every non-mafia player". townZ had no information that wasn't public, so he could have replaced into any role.Is my interpretation valid?
Are you trying to town slip? You're a bright guy, and I can't believe anyone could have come to those conclusions. You know how this game works, right?
Also, full town/scum list please.
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:15 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:14 pm
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freedom's response to pressure feels very town to me and reminds me of myself, really (I've made similar "slips" a few times, and responded in more or less the same way). Pie went to the grave saying freedom was town, and I trust his read too. Also, zemanjaski - who is scum - has offhandedly been going after freedom (though if Z flips town, I'd at least go back and take a look). I don't remember any other scum slips - want to point me to them?
Yes, I believe GR. He may as well prove it now, but double voters are public. Acting like he's a double voter, then claiming he's a double voter, only to prove that he's not a double voter would look pretty awful and be pretty pointless. It doesn't happen. As for whether or not it could be a scum ability, it's possible, but very uncommon. It has the potential to make the game very swingy. A double voter scum basically means you need to balance the game around 4
scum instead of 3, except that if the double voter gets killed it's like killing 2 scum in one. If GR's not town, it's much more likely that he's a SK (but we haven't seen any evidence of that yet).
Yes, I believe GR. He may as well prove it now, but double voters are public. Acting like he's a double voter, then claiming he's a double voter, only to prove that he's not a double voter would look pretty awful and be pretty pointless. It doesn't happen. As for whether or not it could be a scum ability, it's possible, but very uncommon. It has the potential to make the game very swingy. A double voter scum basically means you need to balance the game around 4
scum instead of 3, except that if the double voter gets killed it's like killing 2 scum in one. If GR's not town, it's much more likely that he's a SK (but we haven't seen any evidence of that yet).
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:34 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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You know what, it doesn't even matter. We've got such a solid town bloc, even if you don't count me among the townies. I said before that I thought the mafia were within these five: hamfactorial, rcwraspy, imopen2, LMD and G_R. You can add rezombad, Wraith and me to that list if you like, but as a trade we can remove rcw (unlynchable) and G_R (double voter).
Probably imopen2 and Wraith are town.
If that's correct, that leaves us with hamfactorial, zemanjaski and me as the possible scum. Even if rezombad was town, we're still (very likely) allowed one more mislynch, meaning that we'll need to resolve the last scum after lynching those three. However, if rezombad was scum (which I think he was) things are looking great. We're still allowed two more mislynches, meaning that we can lynch all three on that list and have one more lynch to spare.
Basically what I'm saying is, I'm pretty sure the scum team is
rezombad, hammy and zemanjaski. I would be willing to vote either of them. PoE is pretty awesome when you've got solid townies.
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Probably imopen2 and Wraith are town.
If that's correct, that leaves us with hamfactorial, zemanjaski and me as the possible scum. Even if rezombad was town, we're still (very likely) allowed one more mislynch, meaning that we'll need to resolve the last scum after lynching those three. However, if rezombad was scum (which I think he was) things are looking great. We're still allowed two more mislynches, meaning that we can lynch all three on that list and have one more lynch to spare.
Basically what I'm saying is, I'm pretty sure the scum team is
rezombad, hammy and zemanjaski. I would be willing to vote either of them. PoE is pretty awesome when you've got solid townies.
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- Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:40 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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- Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:30 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
- Replies: 1062
- Views: 232075
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:30 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
- Replies: 1062
- Views: 232075
I'm hanging my hat on his pushing for Pie's lynch being super scummy. Your relynch thing is where I'm hanging my scarf (not as critical).less aggressive. More wagon-y. Could be explained by being burned with day vigs in two consecutive games while being aggressive, or could be a role change. He also got really defensive when you pushed him, but that coincides with the aggressiveness.Okay, and what differences do you see in the posting of townZ (Kaits) and scumZ (current)?
Also, Day2 since replacing in, I'm having a hard time finding posts where he's not tunneling.
Are you seeing differences - at least ones that are significant enough - or are you hanging your hat on his pushing for my re-lynch Day 2 being
super-scummy?
As for posting differences, people change posting styles depending on where they're at in the game. Early-mid Day 1 posting is much different than later, once you have more info. I suspect you'd find differences in my posting once we hit later Day 1 and into Day 2, and I have the same role PM as ever. The fact that townZ was entirely early Day 1 and scumZ was entirely later, I'm hesitant to base a lynch on that at all. Major posting differences, sure, but I wouldn't recommend looking for the small stuff. If you want to find something scummy there, you'll have more luck talking about how he seemed nervous about there being differences, mentioning the Kaits thing right off the bat revealing that it was on his mind.
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:24 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
- Replies: 1062
- Views: 232075
- Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:58 pm
- Forum: Completed Games
- Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
- Replies: 1062
- Views: 232075