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by Stardust
Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:43 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

I've been talking with zemanjaski about this game over PM and he tells me that he targeted rezmo with his kill Night 1. I jailed Z, but he never got a PM letting him know that his ability failed. He assumed the mafia nightkill had been blocked somehow instead (since rezmo did die), which greatly impacted his understanding of what went down overnight. Not bringing this up to bitch about it since I did have fun this game, but Suga, if you're modding in the future, you've got to be really on the ball with Night actions. If Z had been town and claimed to have not been blocked overnight, it would have caused me to claim my role and get Z lynched for lying, which obviously impacts the game in a big way.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:49 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Do most games have 19-page Days? Because I'm not sure I want to do this much more often if I have to come back to 4 new pages every day for a week. I got into a routine of rarely doing rereads because I rarely had time to do anything more than a read for content, and in my inexperience was unable to get good reads from just that.
Day 1 can be quite long. It's occasionally short (see Kaze's Newbie Mafia), but most often targets shift, claims are extracted, and a lynch is finally decided after some enough information has finally come into the thread. That can take a while. Future Days (2 and onward) are always shorter. I'd guess 5 or 6 pages on average?

The length might be partially my fault. I like to talk a lot and I also tend to change my
reads a lot.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:04 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Whoa, mafia mastermind over here. Good work in the QT, rcw. Your scumminess makes me proud.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:25 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Someone want to link the mafia QT? I always like to read those.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:23 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Stardust I know you said you're chalking it up as a win, but so am I :-p
:love2: I don't even track my wins/losses. Just saying I'm really happy with my performance and feel like we really should have won (assuming the rest of the town didn't just up and lynch me!). I pushed both you and Z to lynch and both of you were scum, so that's pretty sweet.


freedom! You had a guilty on imopen and chose not to come forward? Nice. :cool2:
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:16 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Z, what information are you talking about that proved imopen and I were scum? Or was that just bullshit because you were dead anyway?
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:11 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

imopen used his Janitor shot Night 1, so he couldn't have been bus driven. Z targeted rcw? So I saved the mafia godfather when I jailed Z? Good work, me!
Stardust: you had us pegged at one point but you managed to convince yourself that I was town :D
I was on to you towards the end. Even if I wasn't, you and ham were the only people not confirmed town in my mind.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:03 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Spam reviewed it. :shrugs:
Really? Wow. The town had 1 shot to kill the godfather. rezombad wasn't even a real vig. Like... this game is so obviously unbalanced.

Anyway, thanks for modding. Sucks to end in a loss for such a stupid reason, but I'll chalk this up as a win considering my reads were pretty damn good.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:00 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

At least my town reads were bang on (except rcw, obviously). This game should have been a cinch. We really did have an extremely strong town bloc.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:56 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

:rofl: What!? How is that even possible? So rcw was scum after all? Wait, and he wasn't a miller?

Wow. Suga... Wow... I was so tempted to ask if you'd had this game reviewed after the Doc died. I guess I should have.
by Stardust
Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:41 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

I would have been tempted to try and use zem, but imopen's right that if we had left Z alive and then went on to mislynch, he would just kill a townie to seal the win for himself. In any case, it's too much of a risk if the mafia have a redirector or something (or a bus driver? :monocle:).

Nah, he's probably lying anyway. Z hasn't been playing as a neutral. He's too invested. LMD's lurking makes sense from a neutral perspective. Z not caring about lynching a townie Day 1 makes sense too. But then why bite into freedom so hard? Why push against me so hard?

I'm interested to see what "evidence" he's got in his role PM. It's obviously at least partially wrong. Self-watcher that's revealed on death or something?

Welp, see you on the other side gentlemen!
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:55 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Why don't you want to comment until Zem claims? I'm trying to get you to commit to a read. Why are you hesitant to do that?

So you pressured hammy. What do you think of him now?
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:30 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Suga! Prod Mogadishu Jones please.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:03 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

zemanjaski, there are five people willing to vote you. Please claim in your next post.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:41 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

No comment on current events, imopen?
You said you wanted to lynch either hammy or zemanjaski; can you elaborate on that?
Have I come out of this smelling like roses, or are you a little scared I'm leading you off a cliff again?
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:18 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

A bus driver switches all things that would target those two players. Anything that targeted rcw would target rezombad instead. Anything that targeted rezombad would target rcw instead. It doesn't interact with rcw's abilities at all.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but yeah, it's possible imopen is lying. The main reason why I think he probably is telling the truth is that I don't think rezombad was a very good choice for the nightkill. Left alive, one of two things would happen. 1) He's 1-shot, and I carry on going after him as I was at the end of Day 1, or 2) He's multishot and he shoots me in Day 2. Either way the mafia benefit from him staying alive.

rcw, on the other hand, was a good target for the nightkill. Relatively active, confirmed town by his ability... so I tend to believe imopen when he says they were switched.

All that said, I have been burned before by assuming that everyone thinks like
me. I strategize assuming my opponent's will be doing the same, in the same manner. That's sometimes not the case, so I end up making the wrong call. Maybe rezmo was targeted by the nightkill and scumopen2 wanted to burn his hidden flip ability so he could make an awesome bus driver claim. Dunno. With only two days to go before deadline, that's best left for Day 3 anyway.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:40 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

He claimed saving you and sent the scum to Rezombad with bus driver ability. How would he know who is the miller to save you? Before we voted to test your miller status?
I know you said you're avoiding the mafiascum wiki because you want to make your own reads, but please at least look up the power roles so you understand what's going on. A miller is a player who is town, but will investigate as scum to any cops who look into them (a cop is a role who, at night, can target a player and learn if they're town or scum). rcw is also unlynchable, a separate ability that means he can't be lynched.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:37 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Counting back from Dec 16 (end of Day 1), running tally based on what I consider significant interactions (offhand mention, indirect comments and inclusion in T/S list doesn't count).

http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?key ... sf=msgonly

zemanjaski/LMD - 1234
Wraith223 - 12345
Stardust - 12345678
rcwraspy - 123
imopen2 - 1
GR - 1
Doc - 1

in addtion, Z gets negative points for the weakness in this post.

If rez is scum, Wraith is town based on this post.

rcw's interactions were frequently grilling rezmo on things
no one else was pushing against. Town points for rcw (again, if rez is scum).

I noticed in passing that imopen's posts surrounding the dayvig aren't great. Will look into later. The end of this post isn't great either. And this post.


Results:
Lots of interaction: Stardust, zemanjaski/LMD, Wraith, rcw
Some interaction: imopen2
Little or no interaction: GR, DocLawless, hamfactorial, freedom

And the previous interaction work...
Lots of interaction: Wraith, rcwraspy, Stardust
Some interaction: zemanjaski (LMD), freedom
Little or no interaction: Jones (DocLawless),
hamfactorial, imopen2, G_R
Adding those together (and assuming rezombad's scum), we can maybe sort-of clear Wraith, rcw and Stardust. zemanjaski interacted with him a fair bit, and LMD had one detailed post on the guy, but nothing aggressive and there's that one super weak post I found as well, so that's still feeling okay.

YMMV
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:29 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Dude, you called me a grandma with CRS.
Oh yes, that I did. Basically meaning that you'll say a bunch of stuff that makes a bit of sense, then BAM! From out of left field you make a vote that defies logic, even your own. I played a few games of Werewolf over Christmas with my family (grandma included). Not meant as an insult, just that I don't get you at all.

What about the mud slinging and the bandwagoning?

So, here's a post from Pie. In it he displays a heathy amount of what I've been calling townie rage. That's why I unvoted. His response to pressure was very townie. Would townStardust unvote if that post changed my read?

I'm not even sure how you can read that unvote as scummy, especially since I started a new case on rezombad which
would have only distracted from the Pie wagon. It was not at all clear that Pie was going to be the lynch. Here's a votecount from shortly after Pie voted himself. zemanjaski was reading him as town. freedom and Doc hadn't really said much of anything about Pie that I can recall and weren't about to vote for him until Z changed his mind and pushed them hard for a read. That's not the time for scum to jump off a wagon for town cred. Considering probably no one in this game other than me had ever heard of townie rage I could have just said, "Yep, self-vote, scum" and let you guys finish the job without drawing any attention to myself at all.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:05 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

not interested in certain players that are clearly good targets and go after players that are outliers
Wait a second. So you're suggesting that townStardust would obviously want to lynch the good nightkill targets, but scumStardust would instead want to save them for the nightkill? Why bother wasting a lynch on a perfectly good townie, may as well kill some of the unknowns? Is that it?

Where did I name call? Where did I mud sling? For that matter, where did I bandwagon?


As for imopen's claim, let's take zemanjaski as an example for a sec. He hasn't claimed yet. If he did, would you suspect him more because he might be lying?
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:49 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Also, Wraith, why is imopen suddenly one of your top suspects?
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:45 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Jesus, Wraith. Playing with you is like playing Werewolf with my alzheimer's-stricken grandmother.

What's scummy about my voting record?
Why are you using scare tactics? Of course we'll be 2 townies down if we lynch town today. That shouldn't stop us from lynching someone.
Why are you so concerned that Z might be town yet you seem to have no fear at all that I'm town?

I went into detail earlier about the double voter, but it is very likely a town ability.


Stardust's official want-to-lynch count!

zemanjaski - 3.5 - Stardust, imopen0.5, GR, rcwraspy
hamfactorial - 1.5 - imopen0.5, GR
Stardust - 3 - zemanjaski (?), hamfactorial (?), Wraith223

Need to hear from: Jones, freedom
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:30 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Well, really should be 3 I guess unless you want to count GR as a double want-to-lyncher too.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:29 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

He's at 3.5 because of imopen0.5, but sure.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:12 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Stardust's official want-to-lynch count!

zemanjaski - 3.5 - Stardust, imopen0.5, GR, rcwraspy (?)
hamfactorial - 2.5 - Wraith223 (?), imopen0.5, GR
Stardust - 2 - zemanjaski (?), hamfactorial (?)

Need to hear from: Jones, freedom

? means I'm assuming based on what they've said recently rather than from a direct reply. Feel free to change anything, I'll keep the tally running. I'd suggest asking for a claim from either whoever's highest (after all have checked in) or if someone reaches 4 (since we're 5 to lynch at the moment).
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:23 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Suga! Prod Mogadishu Jones please.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:49 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

I guess throwing up my hands completely isn't very helpful. I refuse to waste my time with you anymore, but I ought to at least point out the lies.

Your reasoning is additionally faulty because scum tried to kill raspy anyway* so he was already a clear target, before I pushed the test.
Irrevelant. You didn't know this when you went after rcw. Or maybe you did and just slipped. Either way.
You're tunelling to the exclusion of all others, which is not in keeping with your play yesterday. That's a huge
red flag for me. You seem to think that my strategem as scum is to draw as much possible attention to myself as I can?
Remember when I tunneled you Day 1? And then decided that you were town based on your responses?

Putting words in my mouth.
Again, you don't explain why it is scummy. I explained my reasoning repeatedly, which you continue to ignore (is that a scum tell?). If it is so scummy, why didn't you say anything at the time? Others did - DocLawless and Freedom both questioned me about it extensively. G_R was in on it too. But they're not scum right? It's only scum if you say so yes?
I did already explain why it's scummy. I also already answered why I didn't say anything at the time (Day 1, Z asked for my input then pushed the lynch to completion in about 4
hours). Then you go on to put words in my mouth again, based on something I've already explained (hint: everyone else followed you Day 2 after rcw full claimed).
Just like you're pushing Ham to vote for me now, going so far as to bully him. You're scum right?
Here's a lie, flat out.
That fact is SD, you made a huge error that you've refused to actually admit to. In one breath you say it is scummy for me not to follow the advice of other players; and in the next say it is scummy when I do. It cannot be both as you claimed. What lies at the core here is you trying to control the narrative of the discourse, and
I simply won't allow it. That's why you want me gone, because you don't like what questions I am asking. You're basically doing all of the bloodthirsty acts you accused me of, which is amusing in itself.
The difference is I never had you as town. Explain the bolded. You've been doing nothing Day 2.
He actually isn't, not at all. The player he replaced acted Town, but that wasn't enough to confirm him, and it certainly doesn't extend to a player who has done nothing so far. I want everyone to pay attention to this cry for help - that isn't how Stardust played Day 1 at all; Day 1 Stardust presented logical arguments and allowed others to make up their mind. Day 2 Stardust whines for help when she isn't getting the results she wants and tries
to bully inexperienced players. We're seeing appeals to emotion instead of appeals to logic now.
Again with the bullying comment. I haven't bullied anyone. My "whining" to get Jones's input is similar to when I asked Doc or Pie for input repeatedly Day 1, but that is ignored. Not to mention he's now questioning strong town reads he himself shared at the time.
- its only scummy if I want to test rcw's claim. G_R proposed to do it again, but that's fine, as it is only scum when I do it.
Being intentionally dense and ignoring that I've repeatedly said it makes sense now that rcw has fully claimed.
- does anyone
else find it strange that Stardust now considers Rez likely scum despite being the player who stated that Rez waas "95%" likely Town after the day kill? Thing is, Stardust needs Rez to be Town for her claimed "we can make a mislynch and still win" scenarios; she doesn't even mention the possibility that Rez isn't scum (which he won't be, 95% of the time). which misleads Town substantially. SD is the most experienced player and would be fully aware of how important Rez not revealing an alignment would be; yet no mention. We need to consider that Rez was Town.
Ignoring the fact that I was voting for rezombad when Day 1 ended. Also ignoring the fact that I did mention the possibility that rez isn't scum. Also ignoring the fact that I went into detail previously on rezombad's hidden flip.

[quote="zemanjaski » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:30 am":
39s3a4ct]- SD has spent all of toDay tunelling me, after barely interacting with me yesterDay. From straight out of the gates, she had run lines of argument that ignore the contribution and encouragement of others. We've already seen that her argument that testing raspy is incredibly weak, so the rest has become this manufactured "we should kill him anyway; we can make a mistake and still win". That's not the position of someone who can make a real case, that's the position of someone who is desperate.[/quote]
Ignoring that I have repeatedly stated that my case is based not on rcw but on Pie. zemanjaski tried to counter that initially with "Look at these other guys!!" but has now continued to ignore that line of questioning, probably because he has no defense. Z's stated townie reasoning for pushing to lynch his town read (Pie) was to get information. He still has yet to go back and use that information even in the slightest.
- You've made multiples lines of argument that seek to silence or control my contributions
Bold words. Better find some quotes to back that up since as is this is just blatant smearing.
Engaged a bit more than I intended to. Whatever.
by Stardust
Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:19 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Ugh, I'm tired of repeating myself. Your text wall is full of untruths and questions I've already answered. It doesn't even matter. Lynch me first if you guys want to. I'm 90% sure we've got this game in the bag without any further evidence.

So, in the interest of being able to extract a claim and analyze, everyone should consider the deadline to be the end of today, Wednesday. That'll give us time to avoid scrambling at the end. The three lynch options are zemanjaski, hamfactorial or Stardust. State in your next post who your prefered lynch would be of those three, we'll get a claim based on responses from everyone and go from there. Good?

I'll go first: zemanjaski.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:50 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

It's Day 2. The cop shouldn't come forward without a guilty until at least Day 3. Don't know why you'd expect them to.

But yeah, you're right that it made sense to test rcw's claim once he claimed fully unlynchable. What about before he claimed fully?
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:30 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Time to review rezombad's interactions since I believe he's dead scum.
Vote Lord_McDonalds
RVS votes LMD (replaced by scumZ) waaaaay after RVS is over. Later unvotes and plays is as a reaction gambit. Lots of WIFOM surrounding this, but could have been used to distance.

Grills townZ for a bit. Asks GR a throwaway question. Asks me a real question.

Trolls townZ with haikus and simpson pics. Answers Pie's question in detail.

Back and forth with Wraith. These guys are definitely not both scum. He even asks me about Wraith... trying to get me on board maybe?

Kills townZ.

Considers going after rcw after I start doing so and discusses rcw's claim a bit. Carries on not believing the claim later on.

Votes
freedom for WTF, then unvotes.

Makes a bad case on me and refuses to answer my questions. Repeatedly.

Continues to call rcw scum.
Must be nice to do nothing, badly fuck up, then go back to doing nothing knowing you won't be lynched or NK'd. Can you at least try to help?
Is this you trying to set me up for a mislynch later? Or are you just being petty because you got shot for being scummy as fuck?
What about rcw being unlynchable makes me suspicious?
Here's a solid interaction with scumZ. Replied to later in some detail.

That's it.

Lots of interaction: Wraith, rcwraspy, Stardust
Some interaction: zemanjaski (LMD),
freedom
Little or no interaction: Jones (DocLawless), hamfactorial, imopen2, G_R


I'll do the reverse interactions tomorrow.

I've also concluded that imopen must be town. Like, 99% based on what happened last night. This is conditional on me being town (which I obviously know), but unless someone else can explain why rezombad died, I'm going to assume imopen is town.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:21 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=171307#p171307:2e1h33b2]hamfactorial » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:01 pm[/url:2e1h33b2]":2e1h33b2]I'm good at math, not interpreting passive aggression. What's incorrect about my mod analysis? I posit that Suga wouldn't replace Z into a mafia role because he'd have an advantage from town interaction prior to death.[/quote:2e1h33b2]
What advantage would he have? It skews his play regardless of town or mafia. If he replaces into a town role, he can do a better job of proving it by holding to his former (confirmed town) reads. If he replaces into a scum role, he needs to work with those reads as well. Usually replacement with dead players is avoided for this reason.

Anyway, just take my word for it that it does happen. Captain Murphy replaced into a scum role after dying as town in Checkbox mafia.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:32 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Is my interpretation valid?
No. Every scum player "knows the alignment of 2-3 mafia players, as well as every non-mafia player". townZ had no information that wasn't public, so he could have replaced into any role.

Are you trying to town slip? You're a bright guy, and I can't believe anyone could have come to those conclusions. You know how this game works, right?

Also, full town/scum list please.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:15 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Suga! Votecount please!
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:14 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

freedom's response to pressure feels very town to me and reminds me of myself, really (I've made similar "slips" a few times, and responded in more or less the same way). Pie went to the grave saying freedom was town, and I trust his read too. Also, zemanjaski - who is scum - has offhandedly been going after freedom (though if Z flips town, I'd at least go back and take a look). I don't remember any other scum slips - want to point me to them?

Yes, I believe GR. He may as well prove it now, but double voters are public. Acting like he's a double voter, then claiming he's a double voter, only to prove that he's not a double voter would look pretty awful and be pretty pointless. It doesn't happen. As for whether or not it could be a scum ability, it's possible, but very uncommon. It has the potential to make the game very swingy. A double voter scum basically means you need to balance the game around 4
scum instead of 3, except that if the double voter gets killed it's like killing 2 scum in one. If GR's not town, it's much more likely that he's a SK (but we haven't seen any evidence of that yet).
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:34 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

You know what, it doesn't even matter. We've got such a solid town bloc, even if you don't count me among the townies. I said before that I thought the mafia were within these five: hamfactorial, rcwraspy, imopen2, LMD and G_R. You can add rezombad, Wraith and me to that list if you like, but as a trade we can remove rcw (unlynchable) and G_R (double voter).

Probably imopen2 and Wraith are town.

If that's correct, that leaves us with hamfactorial, zemanjaski and me as the possible scum. Even if rezombad was town, we're still (very likely) allowed one more mislynch, meaning that we'll need to resolve the last scum after lynching those three. However, if rezombad was scum (which I think he was) things are looking great. We're still allowed two more mislynches, meaning that we can lynch all three on that list and have one more lynch to spare.

Basically what I'm saying is, I'm pretty sure the scum team is
rezombad, hammy and zemanjaski. I would be willing to vote either of them. PoE is pretty awesome when you've got solid townies.

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by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:40 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Day 2 has only run a few pages so far. Catch up and post.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:30 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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I stated I will prod Ham. :shrug:

If he says that he can't do it, I'll replace him.
:facepalm: Sorry, I'm dumb. Thanks.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:30 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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Views: 232075

Okay, and what differences do you see in the posting of townZ (Kaits) and scumZ (current)?
less aggressive. More wagon-y. Could be explained by being burned with day vigs in two consecutive games while being aggressive, or could be a role change. He also got really defensive when you pushed him, but that coincides with the aggressiveness.

Also, Day2 since replacing in, I'm having a hard time finding posts where he's not tunneling.

Are you seeing differences - at least ones that are significant enough - or are you hanging your hat on his pushing for my re-lynch Day 2 being
super-scummy?
I'm hanging my hat on his pushing for Pie's lynch being super scummy. Your relynch thing is where I'm hanging my scarf (not as critical).

As for posting differences, people change posting styles depending on where they're at in the game. Early-mid Day 1 posting is much different than later, once you have more info. I suspect you'd find differences in my posting once we hit later Day 1 and into Day 2, and I have the same role PM as ever. The fact that townZ was entirely early Day 1 and scumZ was entirely later, I'm hesitant to base a lynch on that at all. Major posting differences, sure, but I wouldn't recommend looking for the small stuff. If you want to find something scummy there, you'll have more luck talking about how he seemed nervous about there being differences, mentioning the Kaits thing right off the bat revealing that it was on his mind.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:24 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
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Views: 232075

OK. Dusty makes a great point. I will prod Ham and the deadline will be extended. I will extend the deadline until Jan. 10 at noon EST.
And prod/replace hammy? Seriously, you need to resolve that.
by Stardust
Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:58 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)
Replies: 1062
Views: 232075

Okay, and what differences do you see in the posting of townZ (Kaits) and scumZ (current)?

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