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by Stardust
Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:25 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Are you going to play again, Void, or was your offense at my "coming at you sideways" just you trying to act town? :tongue:
by Stardust
Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:20 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

And by Ham, Manders of course means Suga. I agree that Suga's a decent guy to play mafia with, so long as he's active. This game was brutal. zemanjaski lost a lot of my respect for his part in all that too. I'd like to play with both of them again, but shit like that is bad for the game and bad for the town.

It was fun playing with you too, Manders. Hope you'll come back soon.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:53 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Sorry for sucking so much, townies. Good game all the same. Congrats to the Ice and thanks to Kaze!
Who'd you save Night 1? Who'd you doc the Night you got killed? And what was your reasoning behind it? If I was in your position, I'd probably have just chosen myself (scum would probably want to test your claim; they have nothing to lose), but you've been playing for a lot longer than I have and must have found a very good target.
Kaze's mod notes (linked above) have the details, but I didn't save anyone Night 1. Ice failed to put in a kill (this is why the Captain
replaced out).

I targeted Manders, rezombad, rezombad. My reasoning was that I was reading them as town (second only to Wraith, but there was no way he was going to be targeted for the kill). I wanted to target Manders Night 3, but she hadn't put up enough of a showing to really solidify herself as town in later Days, and after Fate flipped town her experience had me worried. Right after my death annoucement I knew I'd been wrong to target rezmo.

Despite the wording in my role PM, I couldn't target myself. I confirmed that with Kaze soon after receiving my role (because it doesn't specify that I can't). I tried to drop some hints that I could throughout the game to throw the scum off, but that was nothing more than set up for more gambitry. I'd considered claiming a self-protect Night 1 to see who came back to call me out on it (basically, to see who went out of their way to PM Kaze to confirm), but never got put into that position anyway.

"... scum would probably want to test your claim;
they have nothing to lose" - They did have something to lose: my mislynch. Neither scum team believed my Doc claim. They both believed they could push me to lynch once the real doc outed themselves.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:15 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Sorry for sucking so much, townies. Good game all the same. Congrats to the Ice and thanks to Kaze!
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:47 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Wow...
12 hours 2 minutes into the day and Void hammers.
This is reminding me of Theros Pantheon Mafia. Except we're not going to regret this one. Right, Fate?
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:58 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

MY GUT WAS RIGHT AGAIN JESUS
Just rereading this, are you suggesting that your gut was still telling you GR was scum even while you were repeatedly calling him town? I call bullshit.
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:25 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

I'm not sure what to make of his response tbh.
Really? Do you think he put any thought into re-voting there? Do you think you actually changed his mind about anything?
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:45 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Okay, I generally agree with everything you just said.

What did you mean by this?
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It doesn't seem believable to get the structure that wrong.
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:40 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

So Fate could claim Doc then, yes?
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:37 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Oh, so you believe my claim?
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:25 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

What's he going to claim? Explain the strategic purpose of the unvote please/
So bloodthirsty. :no:
by Stardust
Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:45 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Fate claimed Fire mafia (this post), same as GR.

While trying not to keep that in mind, I reread GR's posts. Fate came out as most likely buddy. So I reread Fate. Buddy vibes are very strong there too.
GR buddies Fate
http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?key ... ly&author=( G_R )

- Fate comes out strong, voting GR with no explanation. Somehow Fate gets "discarded as a lynch option" shortly after anyway (along with several others - I can almost guarantee that one of those four is GR's buddy).
- Continues to call Fate town for weak reasons, then stops mentioning him entirely.
- [url=http://diestoremoval.com/viewtopic&#
46;php?p=182858#p182858]This post[/url] gave me pause since it's so blatant, except that it's also so awkwardly worded that I have trouble believing it's mafia talking to town.
- Finally, in this post, GR makes the mistake of mentioning how townie Fate is with no reason to do so. He's had Fate on his town list for a long time, but it feels wrong to him.
Fate buddies GR
http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?t=2 ... uthor=fate

- Starts off strong against GR with no reasoning. I don't think he had any. This was a fake push for early distance.
- GR was for sure scum, right? Fate drops the wagon entirely without a glance back at any point.
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This one
is my favourite.
- Hello list of three people, one of whom is probably my buddy!
So... yeah. Besides all that, Fate's been pretty scummy all by himself (mostly the reasoning behind his vote hops - like voting freedom Day 1 ahead of his three better leads). He's also been severely wrong three times (freedom, imopen, Suga), which I wouldn't normally use as evidence against someone except that Fate loves to remind us how good a player he is. It's time for him to go.

Vote Fate.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:29 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Unvote, Vote Suga.
by Stardust
Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:13 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Are you finding it hard to get a solid scum read this game, Red?
by Stardust
Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:19 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

@Stardust: Why did it take you so long to post the list I asked for? Why do you think Void is scum?
Was it long? Several players hadn't even posted since I made my case. I actually didn't even intend to post my list at this time. I was thinking about it, so I made my list up to get a bigger perspective on the game, but I accidentally hit submit and figured I may as well follow up.

The only reason I unvoted Void was because of this post. I read that as townie frustration at the time, though I don't really see that now. His recent activity has all been pretty questionable. Void wanted to lynch the Captain for stupid reasons,
then naked voted GR, then disappeared as deadline loomed, so... yeah, pretty sure he's scum.
by Stardust
Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:10 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Manders - Town.
rezombad - Town.
Wraith223 - Town.
RedNihilist - On the townie side of null
imopen2 - On the townie side of null
(G_R) - Null
Fate - On the scummy side of null
DroppinSuga - Maybe still scum
Void - Probably scum
zemanjaski - Probably scum

To elaborate on zemanjaski, it's not just that he's been bloodthirsty. It's also that he feels different. His posts are shorter and less thought-out. His direction appears to be dictated more by the flow of the game than by his own reads.

On reflection, I'd be quite alright with a Void lynch today too. Suga dropped in to help out after taking back his self-vote, but has disappeared again, so I'm still perfectly fine with lynching him too. His frustration felt sincere, but he unvoted himself quite soon after, making me wonder if it was all a stunt.
by Stardust
Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:02 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Whoops, accidentally hit submit there. That's my town/scum list from towniest to scummiest. Maybe a little unrefined in the scum area. I guess I'll follow up in a sec... :uhh:
by Stardust
Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:01 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Manders
rezombad
Wraith223
imopen2
RedNihilist
(G_R)
Fate
DroppinSuga
zemanjaski
Void
by Stardust
Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:20 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Kaze! Please prod rezombad, Fate, Void and DroppinSuga. Thanks.
by Stardust
Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:53 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Yeah, choosing to no-kill would be seriously stupid, especially considering I'd just be counterclaimed eventually anyway (making any townie gains from the gambit completely null).

The rest is legit enough, I guess. Red's right, I am pretty manipulative.
5) I have no idea why you guys believe Wraith is town. He's absolutely willing to lynch ANYONE and has been since the game started. He's ranting and raving about people being bloodthirsty (btw, your definition of that word was incorrect), but I've seen his vote hop more than anyone's. He's always asking how something someone else does helps town, but he himself has done nothing to help town. Read him again, guys. He's 100% in the backseat waiting to see what happens, then jumping once something does
happen so ferociously so as to make it seem, in our minds, that he's the one that thought of that in the first place.
A lot of Wraith's posting bothers me too. But it always has. I think he's town partially because he has actually been blazing his own trail this game (as usual) and partially because I suspect that when he does get a scum role he'll act much different. I get the impression that he's the kind of guy who just can't act, so I'm sort of trusting myself to be able to pick up on that when it happens. This looks like your run-of-the-mill crazy-but-town Wraith to me.
by Stardust
Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:55 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

:sleep:

Two day extension? That's good. More time for you guys to do nothing.

Red, looking forward to your read through. Make sure you stay active this game, alright? You've got good thoughts and I want to hear them.

Everyone else, you should probably be voting for one of Suga or zemanjaski.
by Stardust
Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:37 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Yeah, my vote won't be moving. Deadline's in 3 days. You guys figure out if you want to join me in lynching zemanjaski or just lynch Suga. I don't care which, just get it done.
by Stardust
Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:22 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Vote zemanjaski.
by Stardust
Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:15 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Unvote.

Suga, I liked you, but I'm glad you'll never play again. This is brutal.

I guess we'll run 9 mans from now on?
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:16 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Hmm... Yes, I believe that would hold. I'm not going to lynch imopen first though, if that's what you're asking. If Suga does flip town imopen's just another guy.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:07 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Basically, yeah, I agree that Suga was bandwagoning anything Day 1. Except for imopen. There he had second thoughts (with no reasoning) which turned back to a vote for imopen after getting a bit of pressure. Then he tried to switch the lynch to zemanjaski (taking the opportunity to get off his buddy), and finally (desperately?) ending the Day with his "hammer" on freedom.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:02 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

And then unvoting to buy time, then re-voting after zemanjaski attacks him? That's not bandwagoning - that's trying to avoid the bus.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:57 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Wait I misread your post Stardust and you misread mine.

On Day 1 I thought the slip couldn't be real (it was too obvious) so I thought it must be a trap or baiting.

Now reading back he never followed up or made use of it, so I think my initial read was wrong.
Yeah, I pieced that together based on your latest post. Your first post was worded wrong.

Just felt like you were fishing for wagons, seeing which one would catch on.
Well that's a stretch! rezombad asked me for a T/S list, I gave him a scum read.

Overreaction to suspicion: Check.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:54 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Well that was interesting. How am I fishing?

I have no interest in lynching you today. Suga has to flip scum first. If he flips town, you'll be going back to my probably town pile.
What? Imopen2 has stronger scum reads on his own than Suga. How does Suga rolling town or scum assist Imopen2 leaning town or scum?
How does imopen having stronger scum reads make him town? Don't you think imopen is scum anyway? Oh, right, you're reading imopen as scum, fine.

Interactions between the two of them (or lack thereof) lead me to believe that
they are on the same team. If Suga flips scum, imopen is probably his buddy. This is based on imopen's reactions to Suga's wagon and Suga's interactions with imopen Day 1 (most noteably Suga's vote, unvote, vote and the posts surrounding that).
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:45 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Slip is probably the wrong term. He was trying to get us to discuss Doc targets on Day 1.
Mmm, right. So discussing doc targets is "too contrived to be a real scum slip", therefore you'll move him to your scum pile? That logic doesn't follow.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:32 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Well that was interesting. How am I fishing?

I have no interest in lynching you today. Suga has to flip scum first. If he flips town, you'll be going back to my probably town pile.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:26 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

What slip did CM make?
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:09 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

:no: Mindset means everything. You will look at a so called "town slip" mindset, but don't see what I am talking about? :confused:
Hmmmmmm :slant:
Yes, mindset means everything. I agree. You were talking about different forms of scum mindset and I don't see the point. Did you have one other than to theorize that Suga idolizes hammy?
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:07 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

On second thought, I'll give you one scum read, free of charge: imopen2. I believe he is Suga's buddy.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:05 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

I didn't post my case initially because I wanted Wraith to react to my (pretty scummy) response.



I will give you a town list. I may give you a scum list later, but at the moment would rather not taint reactions to my Suga case.

Town: Manders, Wraith, rezombad.

That is all.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

I meant the seemingly random vote jumping, poorly explained reads, saying that the day is taking too long, folding at the first sign of a wagon against him. Etc.

Is that inaccurate? I'm not suga's mafia historian, that's just te impression I've gotten from the games I've played with him
Mmm, yeah, he's not a big puller on the Day-side, that's true. That's why that's not a factor in my case against him.

Also, he's folded to wagons before, yeah, but not like this.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:44 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

Fate and Suga are not the same. Both jump on bandwagons (part of the reason I voted Fate earlier toDay), but Fate has not shown a scum mindset in any of his posting as far as I've seen. Suga has, both in his inconsistency and in his maybe-fake-claim attempt.

I have no thoughts about your mindset paragraph because you don't really say anything. Scum is scum. You're right that different people play as scum differently, but I don't see any point to what you just said.
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:34 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

But, it's not like I think you're far off the truth. Suga has been playing like scum, but also seemingly the same as he usually does when he gets mislynched so :shrug:
Here's a link to Suga's posts in his most recent town game, Theros Mafia: http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?t=2 ... roppinsuga

He claims on Jan 15. His lynch is finalized on Jan 18. He makes 26 posts in that time period.

So... In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again?
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:25 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

imopen, I'd like your thoughts on my Suga case, please.
I don't trust you :)
So... Suga is town?
by Stardust
Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:23 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 256275

imopen, I'd like your thoughts on my Suga case, please.

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