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- Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:25 pm
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- Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:20 pm
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And by Ham, Manders of course means Suga. I agree that Suga's a decent guy to play mafia with, so long as he's active. This game was brutal. zemanjaski lost a lot of my respect for his part in all that too. I'd like to play with both of them again, but shit like that is bad for the game and bad for the town.
It was fun playing with you too, Manders. Hope you'll come back soon.
It was fun playing with you too, Manders. Hope you'll come back soon.
- Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:53 pm
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Kaze's mod notes (linked above) have the details, but I didn't save anyone Night 1. Ice failed to put in a kill (this is why the CaptainWho'd you save Night 1? Who'd you doc the Night you got killed? And what was your reasoning behind it? If I was in your position, I'd probably have just chosen myself (scum would probably want to test your claim; they have nothing to lose), but you've been playing for a lot longer than I have and must have found a very good target.Sorry for sucking so much, townies. Good game all the same. Congrats to the Ice and thanks to Kaze!
replaced out).
I targeted Manders, rezombad, rezombad. My reasoning was that I was reading them as town (second only to Wraith, but there was no way he was going to be targeted for the kill). I wanted to target Manders Night 3, but she hadn't put up enough of a showing to really solidify herself as town in later Days, and after Fate flipped town her experience had me worried. Right after my death annoucement I knew I'd been wrong to target rezmo.
Despite the wording in my role PM, I couldn't target myself. I confirmed that with Kaze soon after receiving my role (because it doesn't specify that I can't). I tried to drop some hints that I could throughout the game to throw the scum off, but that was nothing more than set up for more gambitry. I'd considered claiming a self-protect Night 1 to see who came back to call me out on it (basically, to see who went out of their way to PM Kaze to confirm), but never got put into that position anyway.
"... scum would probably want to test your claim;
they have nothing to lose" - They did have something to lose: my mislynch. Neither scum team believed my Doc claim. They both believed they could push me to lynch once the real doc outed themselves.
- Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:15 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:47 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:58 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:25 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:45 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:40 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:37 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:25 pm
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- Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:45 pm
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Fate claimed Fire mafia (this post), same as GR.
While trying not to keep that in mind, I reread GR's posts. Fate came out as most likely buddy. So I reread Fate. Buddy vibes are very strong there too.
Vote Fate.
While trying not to keep that in mind, I reread GR's posts. Fate came out as most likely buddy. So I reread Fate. Buddy vibes are very strong there too.
GR buddies Fate
Fate buddies GR
So... yeah. Besides all that, Fate's been pretty scummy all by himself (mostly the reasoning behind his vote hops - like voting freedom Day 1 ahead of his three better leads). He's also been severely wrong three times (freedom, imopen, Suga), which I wouldn't normally use as evidence against someone except that Fate loves to remind us how good a player he is. It's time for him to go.Vote Fate.
- Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:29 am
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- Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:13 pm
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- Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:19 pm
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Was it long? Several players hadn't even posted since I made my case. I actually didn't even intend to post my list at this time. I was thinking about it, so I made my list up to get a bigger perspective on the game, but I accidentally hit submit and figured I may as well follow up.@Stardust: Why did it take you so long to post the list I asked for? Why do you think Void is scum?
The only reason I unvoted Void was because of this post. I read that as townie frustration at the time, though I don't really see that now. His recent activity has all been pretty questionable. Void wanted to lynch the Captain for stupid reasons,
then naked voted GR, then disappeared as deadline loomed, so... yeah, pretty sure he's scum.
- Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:10 pm
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Manders - Town.
rezombad - Town.
Wraith223 - Town.
RedNihilist - On the townie side of null
imopen2 - On the townie side of null
(G_R) - Null
Fate - On the scummy side of null
DroppinSuga - Maybe still scum
Void - Probably scum
zemanjaski - Probably scum
To elaborate on zemanjaski, it's not just that he's been bloodthirsty. It's also that he feels different. His posts are shorter and less thought-out. His direction appears to be dictated more by the flow of the game than by his own reads.
On reflection, I'd be quite alright with a Void lynch today too. Suga dropped in to help out after taking back his self-vote, but has disappeared again, so I'm still perfectly fine with lynching him too. His frustration felt sincere, but he unvoted himself quite soon after, making me wonder if it was all a stunt.
rezombad - Town.
Wraith223 - Town.
RedNihilist - On the townie side of null
imopen2 - On the townie side of null
(G_R) - Null
Fate - On the scummy side of null
DroppinSuga - Maybe still scum
Void - Probably scum
zemanjaski - Probably scum
To elaborate on zemanjaski, it's not just that he's been bloodthirsty. It's also that he feels different. His posts are shorter and less thought-out. His direction appears to be dictated more by the flow of the game than by his own reads.
On reflection, I'd be quite alright with a Void lynch today too. Suga dropped in to help out after taking back his self-vote, but has disappeared again, so I'm still perfectly fine with lynching him too. His frustration felt sincere, but he unvoted himself quite soon after, making me wonder if it was all a stunt.
- Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:02 pm
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- Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:01 pm
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- Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:20 pm
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- Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:53 pm
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Yeah, choosing to no-kill would be seriously stupid, especially considering I'd just be counterclaimed eventually anyway (making any townie gains from the gambit completely null).
The rest is legit enough, I guess. Red's right, I am pretty manipulative.
The rest is legit enough, I guess. Red's right, I am pretty manipulative.
A lot of Wraith's posting bothers me too. But it always has. I think he's town partially because he has actually been blazing his own trail this game (as usual) and partially because I suspect that when he does get a scum role he'll act much different. I get the impression that he's the kind of guy who just can't act, so I'm sort of trusting myself to be able to pick up on that when it happens. This looks like your run-of-the-mill crazy-but-town Wraith to me.5) I have no idea why you guys believe Wraith is town. He's absolutely willing to lynch ANYONE and has been since the game started. He's ranting and raving about people being bloodthirsty (btw, your definition of that word was incorrect), but I've seen his vote hop more than anyone's. He's always asking how something someone else does helps town, but he himself has done nothing to help town. Read him again, guys. He's 100% in the backseat waiting to see what happens, then jumping once something does
happen so ferociously so as to make it seem, in our minds, that he's the one that thought of that in the first place.
- Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:55 pm
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- Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:37 pm
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- Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:22 am
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- Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:15 am
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:16 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:07 pm
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Basically, yeah, I agree that Suga was bandwagoning anything Day 1. Except for imopen. There he had second thoughts (with no reasoning) which turned back to a vote for imopen after getting a bit of pressure. Then he tried to switch the lynch to zemanjaski (taking the opportunity to get off his buddy), and finally (desperately?) ending the Day with his "hammer" on freedom.
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:02 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:57 pm
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Yeah, I pieced that together based on your latest post. Your first post was worded wrong.Wait I misread your post Stardust and you misread mine.
On Day 1 I thought the slip couldn't be real (it was too obvious) so I thought it must be a trap or baiting.
Now reading back he never followed up or made use of it, so I think my initial read was wrong.
Well that's a stretch! rezombad asked me for a T/S list, I gave him a scum read.Just felt like you were fishing for wagons, seeing which one would catch on.
Overreaction to suspicion: Check.
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:54 pm
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How does imopen having stronger scum reads make him town? Don't you think imopen is scum anyway? Oh, right, you're reading imopen as scum, fine.What? Imopen2 has stronger scum reads on his own than Suga. How does Suga rolling town or scum assist Imopen2 leaning town or scum?Well that was interesting. How am I fishing?
I have no interest in lynching you today. Suga has to flip scum first. If he flips town, you'll be going back to my probably town pile.
Interactions between the two of them (or lack thereof) lead me to believe that
they are on the same team. If Suga flips scum, imopen is probably his buddy. This is based on imopen's reactions to Suga's wagon and Suga's interactions with imopen Day 1 (most noteably Suga's vote, unvote, vote and the posts surrounding that).
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:45 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:32 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:26 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:09 pm
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Yes, mindset means everything. I agree. You were talking about different forms of scum mindset and I don't see the point. Did you have one other than to theorize that Suga idolizes hammy?Mindset means everything. You will look at a so called "town slip" mindset, but don't see what I am talking about?
Hmmmmmm
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:07 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:05 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm
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Mmm, yeah, he's not a big puller on the Day-side, that's true. That's why that's not a factor in my case against him.I meant the seemingly random vote jumping, poorly explained reads, saying that the day is taking too long, folding at the first sign of a wagon against him. Etc.
Is that inaccurate? I'm not suga's mafia historian, that's just te impression I've gotten from the games I've played with him
Also, he's folded to wagons before, yeah, but not like this.
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:44 pm
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Fate and Suga are not the same. Both jump on bandwagons (part of the reason I voted Fate earlier toDay), but Fate has not shown a scum mindset in any of his posting as far as I've seen. Suga has, both in his inconsistency and in his maybe-fake-claim attempt.
I have no thoughts about your mindset paragraph because you don't really say anything. Scum is scum. You're right that different people play as scum differently, but I don't see any point to what you just said.
I have no thoughts about your mindset paragraph because you don't really say anything. Scum is scum. You're right that different people play as scum differently, but I don't see any point to what you just said.
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:34 pm
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Here's a link to Suga's posts in his most recent town game, Theros Mafia: http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?t=2 ... roppinsugaBut, it's not like I think you're far off the truth. Suga has been playing like scum, but also seemingly the same as he usually does when he gets mislynched so
He claims on Jan 15. His lynch is finalized on Jan 18. He makes 26 posts in that time period.
So... In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again?
- Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:25 pm
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- Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:23 pm
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