Ugh, you people.
Yes imopen, you were first on Kaze. But you didn't start his wagon. That shit was going nowhere until I got there and I will take the credit, thanks. I had a town read on you and you were on him... maybe I wouldn't have caught it it if weren't for you. Who knows. Doesn't change the fact that I led that thing (though I suppose you did steer me back onto it at one point, so sure, ya did good).
I also haven't extracted a claim from a single person. Not one. Oh, sorry, yes, I did do Dechs. But that was for good reason. Every claim I asked for Day 2 had already been posted, I just wanted it laid out so there was no ambiguity. rezmo claimed town because of me, woohoo.
As for directing power roles, the only reason I haven't been pushing a Dechs lynch today is because he's claimed vig. Hell yes I'm going to direct him. Why should scumdust care who he shoots otherwise? He's consistently had a town
read on me since late in Day 1. Lynch rezmo, shoot LMD, lynch Dechs sounds like a pretty good line from scumdust's point of view, right? I don't understand why we're even having this conversation...
What strikes me the most, though, is that even though we had the chance of abusing my very informative role, he just doesn't care
Your role is not very informative. As far as I'm concerned, you're a rolecop.
I don't like the fact that he started out by voting me by barning Kaze, then started massaging my belly for how town I was, then started accusing me of being Kaze's buddy because I didn't feel threatened by Kaze's aggression, even though Kaze's
always like that on Day 1, even though
this imopen2 post pretty much sums up everything one should say about him.
Also, I don't know how purposefully he's ignoring the fact that I was very invested on the other game I was playing during most of Day 1, up to the point that I effectively missed being at L-1 at one point - from when Gone Postal ended, there has been effectively no wagon on me, so I don't really get why I should have been that bothered by a player that just seemed to have lost all kind of motivation back then.
I don't think I ever said you should feel threatened. But you should interact on some level.
Now, things get awry.
Stardust jumps out of nowhere with
this unexpected moment of brilliance, followed up shortly by
this exchange, to which Kaze answers immediately in a sarcastic way then disappears ABRUPTLY AND FOREVER from the whole site.
That's not *that* bad, people have real lives and things and I hope Kaze is good and all, but the way Stardust follows up with a set of posts explicitly stating that he's not going to want for an answer makes me think that he knew what was up and was desperate to throw him under the bus in order to squeeze some value from his departure, given the fact that he would have gone on playing alone anyway.
Because, you know,
"Sporadic play + results = townie Stardust. Sporadic play + no results = scary Stardust.".
I don't really know where you're going with all this.
That's how things went down, yeah, but I never treated Kaze's abscence as anything more than some small proof that he might be scum. It had nothing to do with my initial case and vote, which I fully expected a response to.
Can you quote where I said I didn't want a response? I just searched my own posts and definitely never said anything like that.
1) I asked Kaze to case you so that I could catch him. I didn't think he had a case on you. I definitely didn't suspect you to be scum at that point, so this
was definitely not a setup.
2) You misunderstood that post. I wasn't asking who you thought was scummier. I was asking who you'd be willing to lynch since we were getting close to deadline. Now that you mention it, it was a bit weird for you to reply with "Kaze" given that Wraith was ahead of him on your scum list at the time.
3) You think I correctly called Wraith as neutral, called him town in thread to throw you guys off, then used the neutral to my advantage to try to get him lynched somehow while still pushing the Kaze wagon? I don't understand the scum mindset you're seeing here.
Then, he set his trap. I said a couple of times I felt uneasy by the way he barned me as I was reminiscent of KNM when he played me like a puppet, and he suddenly went from "oh Red, you so town" to having me 100% scum, backing up his
claims with what I should / shouldn't have done even though I've always been fully honest, imaginary interactions between my old role and his not claimed role that make mine 100% scum (just believe me, guyz), closing with him wanting me to NOT use my role for investigative purposes because I need to die tonight for his plans.
Except that if he really believed the last scum to be one between me, DK and rez he could also ask for Wraith to roleblock DK rather than ham and set up rez while waiting for my results, lynch me tomorrow to confirm my results and act accordingly.
What's the difference here? Speed.
If he's wrong (purposefully or not) we go from 5-2-1 to 2-2-1 (mislynch + DK's guided nightkill + scumkill) and we enter a situation where ham and Wraith can just not vote each other and pretty much win without ever bother helping town anymore if I got this setup right.
Should we crunch the numbers for your scenario too? 5-2-1 today. We lynch one of you three and DK get blocked.
Tomorrow we're 3-2-1. We lynch one of you three and DK gets blocked (if he hasn't been lynched). Next day we're 1-2-1 if I'm wrong. How is this a better plan?
The neutrals will side with the town if it comes down to it. They almost always do because that's the only way to keep a game interesting for a neutral. At least we still have a game if I'm wrong whereas in your scenario we get the same number of kills (two) but end up down an extra townie, tied with the scum. Speed is important when we're racing against nightkills.
Forgive me if I'm not too happy with the idea of handing the game over to him and quietly disappear hoping to be wrong all along.
I'd rather try to actively win this game rather than die with my fingers crossed hoping that someone else can win such game for me.
Have I been blazing my own trail
without asking for feedback? No! I've asked repeatedly what everyone else wants to do instead. So far no one has come up with a better plan. You've got a nice conspiracy theory, but what's more likely?
1) That I caught onto Kaze and got him lynched, and would like to lynch scum again Day 2, or
2) That I'm scum, bussed my buddy without reason (after intentionally making myself look bad by not casing Wraith), then argue over reads Day 2 instead of just letting the vig kill LMD.
This game would have been so easy as scum. The town had no direction Day 1. The town was moving in the wrong direction Day 2. A little push here and there and I've got the game. Instead I'm fighting the whole time and lynch my buddy for no reason? I don't know how you can seriously hold this position. Well, I do, I'm scary, but I'm also town.
And even if you do maintain that I'm scum, lynching me now makes no sense. Wraith already hates me, so you've got your third vote if we end up 2-2-1 and I'm scum. If Dechs
has a shot, he's town. If he doesn't, we'll end up at 3-2-1 instead and still be in a good position to talk. Basically, if my plan works, the game will be over. If it doesn't, you can still lynch me.
