Dies to Removal

You could have opted not to kill and tried to get Az on board a Witch wagon. Might have worked, though the fact that you voted Witch out of the gates raised serious red flags for me (and probably would have for him).

So, why did you choose Alien instead of Mafia anyway?

I told you exactly why already.

Jank Ass Clerics.

Nothing is stopping you from playing in exactly the same way you did here, except you win the game by having a second nightkill.

Oh yeah, sorry your first game here ended so badly, Jamie! I hope you'll play with us again despite the Day 1 counterclaim.

You could have opted not to kill and tried to get Az on board a Witch wagon. Might have worked, though the fact that you voted Witch out of the gates raised serious red flags for me (and probably would have for him).

So, why did you choose Alien instead of Mafia anyway?

Dechs you scummy Alien bastard. Well played.

I guess we win? I'm extremely surprised. Unless Dechs is scum. Then I'll still be surprised!

Uh...

Vote WitchHunt.

There's also the fact that you being scum win the game tomorrow, so WitchHunt really is the only choice.

Werewolf. My behavioural town read on you is much much stronger that mine on WitchHunt. He can't not be town of the cc was legit, but if it was planned in advance, he's Werewolf. Both you and Witch are 100% town to me which is why I'm shocked that the game isn't over. Without rounding, he's at 99.8% and you're 99.99%, so that's my best guess.

I'm hoping rezmo is just trolling us with the delay, because I don't see any way that I'm not getting lynched of there is another day.

Once again, if I was cult, I definitely, definitely would not have claimed in my first post.

Fuck if I know. Lynch WitchHunt, I guess, since you would have already won the game by that point. More likely you lynch me and somehow that makes you lose? I have no idea. But don't worry. It's been rcw all along.

Wrong.

I'd always support a Stardust lynch but all of a sudden I'm wondering if Dechs has been the under-our-nose scum all along. Too bad that by lynching me first you probably won't get the chance to know.

Really? So... we lose? Like, I have no idea what to say. If Dechs wins come morning I'm going to destroy him.

He can't be scum! He can't be! The way he flipped my evidence for being town (that I'd discarded a mafia card) to include him, only to continue to doubt me... Like, you'd think he'd be happy to have someone rooting for solid evidence there. No. No way. If the game really isn't over right now, I'm voting for WitchHunt.

Fuck if I know. Lynch WitchHunt, I guess, since you would have already won the game by that point. More likely you lynch me and somehow that makes you lose? I have no idea. But don't worry. It's been rcw all along.

I'd just like to point out that if I were scum, I should have at least one night kill. I would have been able to kill Az last night, silence RCW, and already be in a winning position.

Yeah that's true, the only way this makes sense is if you're Cult (or another threat that doesn't have a kill). I'm still not going to lynch you either way.

Can we just lynch someone, please? There is no way I'm voting for WitchHunt. Besides the fact that his meta has him as a bit timid (the only reason his latest posts feel a bit off), read how that counterclaim went down (particularly this post followed by this post). The only way I'm voting for Dechs is if you guys agree to lynch rcw tomorrow, but that's not going to happen either. Plus he's town, so, you know.

One of me or rcw is scum. I know it's not me, but I don't care at all if you lynch me first. You know my role, but not my alignment. You know his alignment, but not his role. We are equally dangerous and it makes no difference. This game should have ended Day 3. Can we end it now?

Interesting that you post that right as I'm saying lynching Dechs is a good idea. I'll give it a better read tomorrow, but I'll just remind you, WitchHunt, that a scum Dechs does win the game today thanks to his silencer ability (4 alive, 3 to lynch with only 3 people able to vote).

I doubt lynching Dechs is the right play though. If he's not scum (he's not) then you guys actually have to make a choice. The only way I'll be onboard a Dechs lynch is if you guys resolve to lynch rcw next, handing the game to scumStardust. I doubt that's going to happen.

Frankly, I think I'm the only one who really understands this game which is why you all think I'm acting off. imopen's death by gun is the same as his death by lynch, it just confirms someone in the process.

I also understand that Dechs is the only player who can actually win as scum if we mislynch today. Good thing he's town. I just realised this last night, and it will probably get me hung for saying it, but the logical choice from my perspective is to hang him. Luckily he's town so you don't have to take it on faith that I'm telling the truth. Just lynch me, then lynch rcw.

Hang me, it doesn't matter. My role is confirmed and no alignment is more dangerous here than the possibility of rcw's vig shot (Cult is very safe for you guys, Az). But we still have three town after I die so I still don't care.

I am thinking of this from a townie mindset. Everything is different because there is no nightkill. We have two 100% confirmed townies. I also strongly strongly believe that Dechs is town. Unlike in a normal game, these three townies will win the game no matter what.

Also, something I just realised, all of that is far more confirmed than your Ninja role claim.

I fully realise that I will be lynched if you flip town. Tell me, what do I stand to gain from living just one more Day? What alignment could I possibly be that would pose any real threat?

WitchHunt is town for two reasons. I didn't realise until after we'd lynched Red, but Red being a Lover proves that WitchHunt is not. He's 100% town unless you believe that his cc was fake.

He's the only one. Everyone else is town.

Vote rcwraspy.

Silencer is confirmed. The card he claims to have discarded for his alignment is irrelevant. All that matters is what he chose to discard and why. But sure, intentional handicap is a (small) possibility, making this only strong evidence instead of proof. His behaviour bumps that from 95% to 100.

The plan involves you, so you should probably read it. Target WitchHunt with your doctor ability.

he's also town for the same reason I am: he discarded a mafia card, there is no scum with reliable killing powers, therefore Dechs chose town because no one would choose Alien or Cult over mafia.

This is just theory, can't be proven, and is WIFOM. No decisions should be based on this loose of an argument.

Show how it's loose. Do you think he chose mafia/werewolf and is withholding his kill? It might make sense to do this now, but certainly not on Night 1 or 2. Do you think he would intentionally choose an alignment that is strictly worse than another alignment he had available?

Whatever happens, I hope Day 5 doesn't last two weeks and five pages. I'm starting my vacation on the 18th, and there's no reason why we can't finish the game before then.

how long have you been holding on to that quote as a cute way of calling me a Judas?

About 30 seconds before I posted it.

I'm scared because I'm not sure which of you we should lynch first if this thing tonight doesn't just end the game.

It doesn't matter. It really really doesn't matter. Lynch me first if it makes you feel better. We know rcw can't kill. The only advantage to killing him first is ending the game a little sooner. If imopen doesn't follow through with targeting WitchHunt, he might be a better lynch anyway.

Also, is Dechs just "confirmed townie" because of his content? If push comes to shove that will have to be re-examined.

You will be lynched long before push comes to shove, but no, it's not just for behaviour. That's a big factor, but he's also town for the same reason I am: he discarded a mafia card, there is no scum with reliable killing powers, therefore Dechs chose town because no one would choose Alien or Cult over mafia.

And immediately, while Stardust yet spake, cometh rcw, one of the nine, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and the scribes and the elders.

And he that betrayed him had given them a token, saying, "Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he; take him, and lead him away safely."

And as soon as he was come, he goeth straightway to him, and saith, Master, master; and kissed him.

Yes I am. Better lynch me before we lynch rcw, just to be sure.

Right, exactly. If imopen follows through with this, rcw is basically the only possible lynch left (with plenty of time to spare to lynch me if you still don't trust me).

You do understand how WitchHunt would be confirmed town after imopen's death, right? That more than outweighs the loss of an unconfirmed townie.

Me? Yes. Yes I am. Is that a problem?

Yeah, fair enough. I agree that rcw would have been better, but it really doesn't matter. If imopen targets WitchHunt tonight then it really really doesn't matter.

Yes. Any more helpful tips on cooking? Any last minute thoughts on my genius plan to lock down the game?

WitchHunt as an Alien could screw up that plan by killing imopen with his 1-shot kill, but then he wouldn't have the kill to beat Azrael and Dechs in the endgame. I'm pretty sure it's fool proof.

Dechs Kaison
Discarded: Mafia Roleblocker
Alignment: Town Lover
Role: Alien Silencer

Azrael
Discarded: Alien Mass Redirector
Alignment: Vanilla Town
Role: Innocent Child

Stardust
Discarded: Werewolf vanilla
Alignment: Town Supersaint
Role: Town Black Goo

WitchHunt
Discarded: Town Conspiracy Theorist
Alignment: Town Lover Cop
Role: 1 Shot Paranoid Gun Owner (not sure if Werewolf or Town)

rcwraspy
Discarded: Mafia Reflexive Doctor
Alignment: Saulus
Role: Werewolf Ninja

Rednihilist
Discarded: Town Conspiracy Theorist
Alignment: Town Private Investigator
Role: Alien Bulletproof Lover

imopen2
Discarded: Alien 1-Shot Unlynchable
Alignment: Town Hider
Role: Town JOAT

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Jamie
Discarded: Town Vanilla
Alignment: Werewolf ?
Role: Town 1-shot Governor

Hamfactorial
Discarded: Town Vanilla
Alignment: Town 1-shot Kingmaker
Role: Tracker (not sure if Mafia or Town)



1) imopen discarded 1-shot unlynchable. That's a pretty powerful ability for scum to have, and JOAT is the obvious choice for a townie out of the three he had to pick from. + town points.

2) Red chose Bulletproof over either of the investigative roles. While a townie might do this, this seems the obvious choice for a neutral. + neutral points

3) WitchHunt chose paranoid gun owner over either of his investigative roles. I was hoping his claimed role would be a slam dunk in that he could prove it out (meaning that he had to have chosen the Lover Cop for alignment), but it makes enough sense that I do still believe him.

Hey! imopen! You still have a doc shot, right? I'd like you to target WitchHunt tonight. You will die, but it will give us a third confirmed townie in WitchHunt. That'll completely lock down the game for the town.

Just did the count myself. Let's get this Day done.

Unvote, Vote RedNihilist.

rcwraspy (1): Rednihilist
Stardust (1): rcwraspy
RedNihilist (3): WitchHunt, Azrael, Stardust
impoen2 (1): Dechs Kaison

Not Voting (1): imopen2

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Okay, cool. Now I really don't care who we lynch. Azrael and Dechs are confirmed town. WitchHunt is a close third followed by imopen. Red and rcw are my two question marks and I will vote either of them at this point.

To kill list...

rcw
RedNihilist
imopen2
WitchHunt
Dechs Kaison
Azrael

rezmo, votecount please?

What is with people not answering direct questions in this game? Are you a lover and nothing else?

Why? Witchhunt could very easily be scum with a cop/lover ability, couldn't he? Behaviorally, he's the person who disturbs me the most by far. He got a free pass due to the counter-claim for a while, but obviously that's bunk in a multiple scum-team scenario.

Why would a townie say he was going to play his role for the town?

Why the sarcastic roll eyes and complete dismissal of my case?

Yes, I understand all that and there may be something to it. We'll get to it once WitchHunt claims.

Oh - only three of us are left, huh? I guess we might as well go ahead.

What's Dechs?

Dechs is a Silencer (removes other players' ability to vote). He's also confirmed town as far as I'm concerned.