Dies to Removal

Stardust, were you revealing MJ's scumminess in your first post or not?

Inquiring minds are DYING to know.

Yeah, no. You were dead on with my motivations and later checking of Huntzilla. The hell you guys thinking assuming I used it before getting any info at all. C'mon now.

I doubt I'll survive Tonight.

Hey! That's my line!

I really shouldn't play in more than two games at once. I forgot kpaca was a double voter right after using that vote to get the lynch. He's not buddies with anyone.

Yeah, I guess that's good. As of page 4 my reads were the following:

Manders - Should be town
( G_R ) - Probably town
rezombad - Maybe town
Tordeck - Maybe town
Ham - Maybe town

Pedrobear - No idea
MoJo - No idea

RedNihilist - Maybe scum
Huntzilla - Probably scum

I'm not really a fan of how unclear a potential scum buddy is at this point. Manders and ( G_R ) are my strongest town reads in that respect, but it's pretty up in the air otherwise. Of course, that's based on Hunter flipping scum. I guess we'll see soon enough and can give another run through his posts for interactions.

Vote Huntzilla.

Pretty sure Manders is town from page 1.

How'd you come to that conclusion? Why did you participate in getting me to L-2 if you felt this way based on this post?

At the time I didn't think much of you either way, and voted only to get things moving one way or another.

You might laugh at this, but the thing that stands out as most townie in that post I linked is the "IMO". I don't think scum would say the same, in that context.

Feel free to let him answer first if you so choose, but I'd like to know why you deliberately ignored Tordeck's statement of declination when proposing this question to Hunt.

I didn't deliberately ignore it. Not at first, anyway. When I reread, I'm sometimes looking for specific things to tie everything together for one train of thought. Then I go back. In this case, I skimmed Tordeck's post because it talked about his read on you (something I wasn't trying to figure out at the time). Hunter rolled over, I noted it, carried on, then went back. I noticed that I'd made the error after reading Tordeck's full post. I decided not to correct it. My reasoning there was to get links between you, Hunter and Tordeck, primarily from Hunter's response. If he had responded angry at the fact that I forgot Tordeck, I think that would have been a good indication that Tordeck was town. Seems he forgot Tordeck ever said anything, leading me to believe that he did, in fact, roll over just for you which might point at Tordeck being scum buddy. A rather big might there, though. A mighty might? Nevermind.

If you agree those questions make him scum, why did you answer them?

Because they're pretty harmless and I generally want to make this section of the site more welcoming to newcomers, if possible. Getting to know each other while we kill each other can't hurt.

I could see what GR was getting at, and I could see that Hunter missed that entirely. That's all I wanted a response to - the actual accusation GR was making.

Ok, sweet, thanks. Meta checks out, Huntzilla is acting out his scum game. I want to quickly answer outstanding questions, then will finish this Day.

Hunter, can you point me towards your scum games from MTGS? Strait-up link would be appreciated since I hate navigating that site from my phone.

It doesn't matter whether or not others got both. It's explicitly possible from the OP, so no question there.

Hunter, why do you say that I'm specifically letting Pedro skate by? I don't recall you asking him anything this game either.

Claim in your next post Hunt.

Oh yeah, do that. I checked what I needed to check and it checked out.

Thanks, Dechs. And the votecount question?

Unvote.

That was irresponsible. I forgot about the double vote.

Hunter, time for you to claim. Actually, delay that for a minute. Need to check something.

Oh yeah.

Unvote, Vote Huntzilla.

1. rezombad
2. ( G_R )
3. Pedrobear
4. Stardust
5. Manders
6. MoJo
7. Huntzilla
8. Tordeck
9. RedNihilist
10. Ham


Hey Dechs. What's "the HOA"?

Pretty sure Manders is town from page 1.

Too early for claim. I support your decisions Manders.

Hey Hunter, you wrote "decisions" here instead of decision. Were you talking about more than her choice not to claim? What other Manders actions were you supporting?

So, a little modgaming for shits and gigs...

There is most likely 2 scum, 1 "other aligned" alignment, correct? I mean, why have the option for other alignments if he isn't going to choose them. We could do a claim of the alignment people sent to Dechs... Or we could claim the role as well.
What are people feeling? Any claims, no claims, wait a day before we get into bullshit lazy play...?
I'd be willing to go first.

We could also just claim whether we got the full role we submitted or not. Bound to be some of us who did.

You never got much of a response to your call for claims here, Hunter. What do you make of that? Why did you roll over as soon as Manders said no?

I would like Stardust to elaborate on how it is cool that I was put to L-2 so quickly and laughably.

Not like you were going to get lynched. A Page 1 L-2 wagon often leads to some great stuff. I didn't actually want you to claim, for the record. When I mentioned it I wasn't even thinking about you claiming. Though I guess I could have goofed off a little less, calling attention to the fact that you were at L-2 was both to make sure further votes would be held accountable and so that everyone would be aware and react accordingly (hopefully helping to get a read on where they stand).

I did actually miss PedroBear's vote though. That wasn't a lie. If I hadn't, I would have called attention to the L-2 immediately.


Manders' big post. Agree with your assessment of Tordeck and like the questions you asked Hunter and hammy.

Mtgs meta is claim happy right now, wanted to test waters and see where we stood.

Can you explain this? Are people on MTGS routinely claiming stuff Day 1?

Your flat out no statement killed any other reactions I might get because everyone follows you like a bunch of puppies around here.

What makes you say that?

I'd kill Kpaca now that I know it is him. That makes the mod vote that much more worse in my eyes.

Why is a mod vote worse coming from kpaca?


Just because there's crazy stuff in this game: Dechs, can you confirm that this votecount is correct? Specifically the (1) next to kpaca's total. Thanks. (The applies to later votecounts too)

As an aside (since weve run this setup before) no one would have gotten the full role+alignment they asked for.

No, they could have. Dechs is fine to take the role you picked then choose an alignment for you, even if that alignment is the same one you submitted. Says so right in the OP.

I almost never react to votes what are you on? I generally dont believe anyone can lynch me.

Wasn't it a vote on you that started your fight with Dechs in the planechase game?

Wouldnt it have been easier to get people to jump on kpaca(or anyone) with even the flimsiest of accusations?

I don't think so. I mean, yeah, I could have made the kpaca wagon more solid by giving reasons, but I wasn't looking to lynch kpaca. I find naked votes more effective in the early game because it leaves doubt whether or not I'm serious. For some reason certain people around here are terrified to fall into some elaborate trap I'm setting up (that usually doesn't exist). I also don't want to be held accountable for things I don't actually believe, but still want the freedom to weild my vote.

MoJo - for the moment I refuse to believe that scum would be given a double voting role.

For the record, double-voting independant (SK, for example) can be a thing.

Red, from the wording on your Huntzilla section in that same post it seems like you intended to come back to him. Have you got a read on him now?

I asked you about it and I haven't seen a response. How was I under scrutiny when I voted Kpaca? How was under scrutiny at all, unless you are referencing Manders questioning, but then again that is hardly "scrutiny."

Manders' case on you was as solid as anything, and her questions were spot on, so yeah, scrutiny. Regardless, back to the original question, how does any of that make me scum?

Somethings fishy

Oh yeah? What's that?

But what I was thinking was why bother answering at all if you didn't like the idea. Of the questions are that bad, why put forth the effort to still even partially comply? Didn't make sense.

If I'm scum to him why listen to my requests at all?

Did you read his responses? He was essentially pointing out why those questions make you scum.



That was long. Sorry for the duplication.

Because it's a good way of pointing out something "interesting" in the hopes that someone else will pick up on it. If they do, great, it looks like you contributed! If not, no harm done. Not like you said it was scummy, right?

tl;dr: It's waffling.

You vote me for the questions yet you still answer them, albeit a little snarky?

Interesting

What do you make of that?

I should have time to devote to this tomorrow. Have no fear, have no fear, said the cat.

New pages are haaard...

Stardust is standing out to me at this point

Why?

Why?

So there are 5 people with 1 vote on them and you vote for kpaca.

I didn't know where we sat on the votecount, but Hunter voting for kpaca was meaningful since Hunter himself was under scrutiny. If Manders was correct that Hunter was scum, me making his vote more legitimate does give more information on other players. And, yes, kpaca can't be arsed to do much he doesn't want to do, but he does react to votes as much as the next guy, sometimes in an over-the-top angry kind of way.

What should I have done with my vote instead, in your opinion?

Nothing in particular. Pretty much what I listed above.

You were hoping to get a wagon going on kpaca with one naked vote?

I dont understand your thought process here stardust.

Hunter was voting him too. It's not that I was trying to get a wagon going on kpaca. The image of there being a wagon gives information on choices that other players make. Do they join the kpaca wagon? Do they vote somewhere else? Do they question my vote, or do they ignore it? All that stuff makes a vote on kpaca more valuable than a simple unvote.

Also, hunt responded to manders.

I know. I don't have time right now to get into that. I haven't even read Manders' big post in detail yet.

Nothing in particular. Pretty much what I listed above.

Wagons? Choices? Reactions? This discussion right here?

kpaca is immune to prods. Prods also get less info into the thread.

Nothing, really. Single post, mod vote, whatever. He's been onsite, but not posting here. Thought my vote might motivate him, assuming he's reading.

Vote Mojo.

Elaborate

What we need right now is participation and I don't have a better lead. Need to put some work into that, though.

Heh, what do you mean? I've never been much for early Day 1 analysis. I'll get on it soon enough.

That might change to Hunter depending on his response to Manders.

Unvote.

I don't mind getting voted, but I don't want to get lynched. I'm not a jester or anything dumb like that.

Vote Mojo.

Wagon me timbers!

Not even just a little claim?

Oh, huh, I missed Pedrobear's vote. I guess that puts Manders at L-2. That's cool.

Why am I voting like wagons? Because wagons are more fun than not-wagons. Plus Manders is actually scum.

This Page 1 wagon is high quality. Vote Manders.

Vote MJ, I am not a fan of mod votes

*shakes his Magic 8-ball*

"It is certain."

Okay then.

Vote Mogadishu Jones.