Dies to Removal

When you see my abilities, you'll know why I know Rez is Town and IMOPEN / 'Dust are Scum.

Au revoir.

Freedom and G_R I don't know.

Imopen2 is 100% scum.

You flip flop votes for the weakest reasons Wraith.

Oh wait, I get it, he has votes on two people. I didn't think that was possible, thought that both votes had to be on one person. My mistake.

SO G_R doesn't have the claimed double vote?

You've got GR voting for me and for Ham.

GR has a double vote.

Anyway, you should be able to figure out why I know Stardust and imopen2 are scum.

Enjoy.

Wait, isn't that a lynch?

My role doesn't hurt Town, and your win condition is to kill Mafia.

If you kill me and Rez was Town (he was Town btw, I am 99% sure), then you'll lose. Remember how Stardust never explained the consequences of Rez being Town?

Claim:

I am STARDUST, Survivor. My win condition is that I must survive until any other faction achieves their own win condition (mafia have parity with Town or all mafia are dead). I have a 1-shot NK ability.

WTF?

We lynch this, right? Not town, won't be town, doesn't help town.

vote: Zemanjaski

Just be aware that for reasons that will be revealed upon my death, Stardust is scum.

Claim:

I am STARDUST, Survivor. My win condition is that I must survive until any other faction achieves their own win condition (mafia have parity with Town or all mafia are dead). I have a 1-shot NK ability.

The scum team is Stardust + imopen2 + another.

Ugh, I'm tired of repeating myself. Your text wall is full of untruths and questions I've already answered. It doesn't even matter. Lynch me first if you guys want to. I'm 90% sure we've got this game in the bag without any further evidence.

Note that this is the post of defeated scum.

I guess throwing up my hands completely isn't very helpful. I refuse to waste my time with you anymore, but I ought to at least point out the lies.

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Your reasoning is additionally faulty because scum tried to kill raspy anyway* so he was already a clear target, before I pushed the test.

Irrevelant. You didn't know this when you went after rcw. Or maybe you did and just slipped. Either way.

No, imopen2 claimed that scum tried to kill raspy and that he redirected that kill on rezombad. You've accepted this as truth, as it needs to be true for the basis of your endgame analysis to hold up. Thing is, I didn't need to know about the bus driver before testing raspy's claim, as others agreed and G_R again explained to you (because apparently you cannot read) verifying the claim serves Town.

So what are you hiding?

Again, you don&#
39;t explain why it is scummy. I explained my reasoning repeatedly, which you continue to ignore (is that a scum tell?). If it is so scummy, why didn't you say anything at the time? Others did - DocLawless and Freedom both questioned me about it extensively. G_R was in on it too. But they're not scum right? It's only scum if you say so yes?

I did already explain why it's scummy. I also already answered why I didn't say anything at the time (Day 1, Z asked for my input then pushed the lynch to completion in about 4 hours). Then you go on to put words in my mouth again, based on something I've already explained (hint: everyone else followed you Day 2 after rcw full claimed).

Yes, and your explanation was bullshit. It didn't make sense, you need to try again. If what I did was scummy, then G_R must be scum too yes? As for the Pie lynch, it is out of my control how quickly it occurs, so to suggest
that I am scum because others act quickly is entirely illogical. You seem to be pushing me to a lynch very quickly, so that makes you scum right? How about some real reasons?

Just like you're pushing Ham to vote for me now, going so far as to bully him. You're scum right?

Here's a lie, flat out.

Ham commented that he felt bullied, so you're lying. Flat out.

That fact is SD, you made a huge error that you've refused to actually admit to. In one breath you say it is scummy for me not to follow the advice of other players; and in the next say it is scummy when I do. It cannot be both as you
claimed. What lies at the core here is you trying to control the narrative of the discourse, and I simply won't allow it. That's why you want me gone, because you don't like what questions I am asking. You're basically doing all of the bloodthirsty acts you accused me of, which is amusing in itself.

The difference is I never had you as town. Explain the bolded. You've been doing nothing Day 2.[/quote[

Nice deflection. You still refuse to engage with your own hypocrisy. You cannot tell me in one breath that I am scum for following others; then in another say I am scum for not following others.

Turning to day 2, I have spent it almost enitrely in defence of myself. Why?
- it has been the dominating narrative of the day. This is because we're the two most active posters and there are a great many posters who are passive and have been willing to watch from the sidelines.
- the holiday season completely destroyed the pacing of the game.

nI have done just as much as you have on Day 2, and at last I have asked others questions. If you're suggesting I am scum for inactivity, then you need to reconcile that with the post counts of the others, which you cannot do.

- its only scummy if I want to test rcw's claim. G_R proposed to do it again, but that's fine, as it is only scum when I do it.

Being intentionally dense and ignoring that I've repeatedly said it makes sense now that rcw has fully claimed.

Then why the fuck do you keep bringing it up as an indicator that I a scum? So now my testing of raspy wasn't scum behaviour? You're so fucking inconsistent.

- does anyone else find it strange that Stardust now considers Rez likely scum despite being the player who stated that Rez waas "95%" likely Town after the day kill? Thing is, Stardust needs Rez to be Town for her claimed "we can make a mislynch and still win" scenarios; she doesn't even mention the possibility that Rez isn't scum (which he won't be, 95% of the time). which misleads Town substantially. SD is the most experienced player and would be fully aware of how important Rez not revealing an alignment would be; yet no mention. We need to consider that Rez was Town.

Ignoring the fact that I was voting for rezombad when Day 1 ended. Also ignoring the fact that I did mention the possibility that rez isn't scum. Also ignoring the fact that I went into detail previously on rezombad's hidden flip.

Wow, here we go. You do everything but address
my concern. Everything you said is completely irrelevant. What matters is that you didn't even consider the possibility that Rez was Town when providing endgame scenario analysis to Town. You've just fucking admitted that you were aware he might be Town, so you chose not to prevent that possibility when providing your analysis.

I NEVER said that you didn't vote for him, or suspect him; all I said is that you've taken the position that he was guaranteed scum, which he clearly is not. That you're arguing about this, instead of just admitting a mistake, indicates that you're hiding something. You cannot risk the possibility of others thinking that Rez was Town because then all of a sudden your push for a mislynch on me has much more dire consequences for Town than you want me to realize.

- You've made multiples lines of argument that seek to silence or control my contributions

Bold words. Better find some quotes to back that up since as is this is just blatant smearing.[/spoiler]

Or you know, like I explained twice previously, your hypocrisy with who I can and cannot follow as decided by Stardust puts me in a position of not being able to comment without you being able to say I am scum. So that forces me to be quiet. Nice try though scum!

Well, if we have a cop that survives the Night, we're pretty much sure to win the game if we lynch scum toDay.

How? I think
this assumes that Rezombad is dead scum, but only his scum-teammates would know that for sure. A lot of us think Rez was probably scum, but we have to operate with the math as if he were a townie so as not to screw this up. Using strong language to state otherwise seems deceptive to me.

So why don't you care that Stardust completely glossed over the possibility that Rez was Town; which I remind you, Stardust originally said was "95% likely".

I want you all to notice how quickly Stardust's tone has changed back to calm now that she's starting to get her way. She doesn't feel threatened anymore.

@ Wraith223 - you're changing your vote to me because I am posting more than a player that had to sub-out due to inactivity? Really?

@ Ham; can you explain Jones as null for me? Did you have Doc as null?

Alright, I don't have as much time as I would like, so formatting has to give way for the sake of completeness. Enjoy the text wall.

Pretty sure he confirmed he wasn't a 1 shot days ago so I need to check that

Still waiting for this too.

The fact that he hadn't confirmed is the reason why your actions surrounding this was scummy. Especially after rezombad's lack of flip and imopen's claim, there was no reason to push rcw. 1) Confirming town for no reason can actually harm the town since it gives the scum clearer targets, and 2) If he was 1-shot, what then? That would not have
confirmed him scum. If he was 1-shot, lynching him without behavioural analysis to back it up is at best awful play, but much more likely scum motivated.

Reason 1 is total bullshit and you know it. SCUM ALREADY KNOW WHO TOWN IS. What is the Town motivation for lying about the ability? There isn't a scenario where raspy witholding the info ends up helping Town; he looked so scummy because of the way he played it, we would likely go after him again at some point anyway. Or scum kills him anyway after seeing that he cannot be lynched and we (Town) benefit from having a day with a stronger Town voting block. There is also the possibility that we have a watcher role, and that person could have watch raspy and provide Town more information that way. Your reasoning is additionally faulty because scum tried to kill raspy anyway* so he was already a clear target, before I pushed the test.

You need to explain the scum motivation for reason 2. You have continually said &
quot;such and such behaviour is scum" without explaining. We're mostly noobs now, tell us why. Then counter-argue G_R's point that (a point I have made previously and that you have ignored) that Town would not withold that information because it is useful for Town. Explain.

You've still not addressed my request for an explanation of why you don't see anyone else pushing for the test (we had to get enough votes to test the lynch afterall) as scummy. You're tunelling to the exclusion of all others, which is not in keeping with your play yesterday. That's a huge red flag for me. You seem to think that my strategem as scum is to draw as much possible attention to myself as I can?

[quote="zemanjaski » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:47 pm":
7fn7my6t]You unvoting is irrelevant. I was following your arguments, not your vote. You unvoting doesn't make your argument that Pie might be scum disappear.

Here Z is talking about my unvote and why it shouldn't have swayed his opinion. A simple unvote shouldn't have, but Z saw the same thing in Pie's townie rage as I did (and said as much shortly before trying to get him lynched). My unvote combined with Z's own read should have swayed his opinion. Instead he got bloodthirsty. 100% serious, this is by far the scummiest thing that has gone down all game. By far. There is no way Z is town.[/quote]

Again, you don't explain why it is scummy. I explained my reasoning repeatedly, which you continue to ignore (is that a scum tell?). If it is so scummy, why didn't you say anything at the time? Others did - DocLawless and Freedom both questioned me about it extensively. G_R was in on it too. But they're not scum right? It's only scum if you say so yes?

It is bizzare that when it comes to Freedom you expect me to listen to "strong" players, but when it regards Pie, I am expected to make up my own mind independant of the discussion of others and ignore those same strong players. Which is it Stardust? Can I listen to others or not?

Explain the inconsistencies in your argument.

There is no inconsistency. You can read freedom however you want to. My point is that he can read Pie however he wants to. Reading Pie as town was certainly possible (you did so yourself). There was no deadline. Pushing freedom to vote Pie showed your thirst for blood more than anything else.

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Just like you're pushing Ham to vote for me now, going so far as to bully him. You're scum right?

That fact is SD, you made a huge error that you've
refused to actually admit to. In one breath you say it is scummy for me not to follow the advice of other players; and in the next say it is scummy when I do. It cannot be both as you claimed. What lies at the core here is you trying to control the narrative of the discourse, and I simply won't allow it. That's why you want me gone, because you don't like what questions I am asking. You're basically doing all of the bloodthirsty acts you accused me of, which is amusing in itself.

Jones! You're confirmed town, good job. Wanna help me out here?

He actually isn't, not at all. The player he replaced acted Town, but that wasn't enough to confirm him, and it certainly doesn't extend to a player who has done nothing so far. I want everyone to pay attention to this cry for help -
that isn't how Stardust played Day 1 at all; Day 1 Stardust presented logical arguments and allowed others to make up their mind. Day 2 Stardust whines for help when she isn't getting the results she wants and tries to bully inexperienced players. We're seeing appeals to emotion instead of appeals to logic now.

Other points of concern:
- its only scummy if I want to test rcw's claim. G_R proposed to do it again, but that's fine, as it is only scum when I do it.
- does anyone else find it strange that Stardust now considers Rez likely scum despite being the player who stated that Rez waas "95%" likely Town after the day kill? Thing is, Stardust needs Rez to be Town for her claimed "we can make a mislynch and still win" scenarios; she doesn't even mention the possibility that Rez isn't scum (which he won't be, 95% of the time). which misleads Town substantially. SD is the most experienced player and would be fully aware of how important Rez not revealing an alignment would be;
yet no mention. We need to consider that Rez was Town.
- SD has spent all of toDay tunelling me, after barely interacting with me yesterDay. From straight out of the gates, she had run lines of argument that ignore the contribution and encouragement of others. We've already seen that her argument that testing raspy is incredibly weak, so the rest has become this manufactured "we should kill him anyway; we can make a mistake and still win". That's not the position of someone who can make a real case, that's the position of someone who is desperate.

You're not dumb Stardust and we all know that, so what I am going to keep coming back to, throughout your posts, is how forced and strained your logic is to try and sway people to side with you against me. The reason that you're not having the success toDay that you did yesterDay is for this reason - you're arguments aren't grounded in the same logic and credibility as they were previously.

You seem afraid. You've made multiples lines of
argument that seek to silence or control my contributions, and that isn't Town behavior at all.

You're scum.

Wall of text coming later, but I think the scum team is Stardust, imopen2 and an unknown (ham or freedom are still my suspects).

Until then, Unvote, vote Stardust

I hadn't figured it out, so thanks for explaining. I can see now what you meant about bread crumbing, but that sort of thing is beyond my skillset.

No one has claimed cop, but I assume that there is one; maybe they can give us two reads toMorrow? Unless Rezombad was the cop - is that configuration possible?

My scum read on Ham comes more from his avoidance and deflection; if you look at what he has written you'll get nothing; its more of a contextual call.

The thing is G_R; your activity so far has all been of that kind - it may serve your purposes, but it doesn't help any of the newer players (which right now is about half of the player pool). You need to make the information available to us. You spoke earlier about your only tool for scum hunting being your vote; when does that start to be used?

Tell me zem, why did you seem so upset with Stardust's pressure on you earlier? Would it upset you to be the lynch toDay?

If you had read my posts you would already know; her case is very inconsistent. Telling me that in one breath that I should listen to more experienced players and then in another that I shouldn't and need to make up my own mind (and saying that both behaviors are indicative of my being scum) is just shitty arguing. But, on account of there being no activity in this thread and with many posters (yourself included) doing very little for weeks, we're reduced to the two most active posters sniping at each other because neither of us have anything else to work with.

I'd be furious if I were lynched. I am Town and I am
actively trying to find scum. Another mislynch would cost us dearly. What sort of question is that?

My main contribution was fucked up by the mod.

Can you explain?

Town
rcwraspy - confirmed town
Wraith - have liked his questions for a long time. He's the most Town by virtue of behaviour.
Freedom - substantially improved activity and a more clear Town motivation have alleviated my concerns for now.
Imopen2 - claimed town ability; not sure if we can test this somehow
Jones - based on his replacing of DocLawless. Jones himself is useless.
Stardust - I liked Stardust as very Town yesterDay; but the questions and logic toDay didn't make any sense for Town; still waiting to hear how confirming raspy hurts Town (as scum already would know); need the other fallacies in the case against me resolved since it looks like rushed and panicked mudslinging
GR - no contributions
Hamfactorial - no contributions plus previously detailed scum behaviour
Scum

There just hasn't been enough activity for anyone to stick out as very likely scum
to me.

Too many posters doing nothing make it impossible for me to work.

Jones*

They're at*

My phone, fuck it.

You've made no effort to analyse yesterday, interestingly. You're not concerned with G_R or Jobes either? That at actual zero contributions.

The major point of contention right now is whether or not it was scummy for me to push for a test lynch of rcwraspy's "unynchable" claim. He's confirmed unlunchable now, so 99% Town.

Stardust is the only play alleging its scummy, for reasons we're still waiting on.

The move was discussed yesterDay and agreed to between many of the players, with most contributing to the test lynch toDay.

The argument for the test is that, with raspy supposedly being unlunchable yesterDay, we needed to test today to verify whether he was Town or 1 time unlynchable scum. I argued then and contend now that confirmed Town helps Town. We're waiting to hear from Stardyst how it doesn't.

It's also worth considering that imopen2 claims to have transferred the NK from raspy to rezombad. I don't know what to make if that claim. Wraith questioned why scum wouldn't have NK'd Stardust, the most experienced member of Town.

nIt'll be worth your time to re-read the interactions toDay between Stardust and I, we've been the most vocal contributors thus far. Of note also were a few weird scum slips from Freedom yesterDay and Ham's continual refusal to contribute in a meaningful way; lots of posts to look active but do nothing.

I still want to go back and look at Pie's wagon, when I get back from holiday (I sympathise with not wanting to read 17 pages).

Raspy, as the confirmed town, what are your thoughts?

Is the game still on pause? Not anymore!

After reading Stardust's points on Zem, I found she has a compelling arguement. Even if zem tries to discredit the logic/facts; he would still sound scummy.

Vote Zem.

This is inconsistent with your stated approach earlier in the game. Why are you now closing your mind?

When did rcw claim? Earlier today in response to your pressure? Yes. Once he claimed, you're right, that's why I hopped on. Forcing him to claim and voting him before he did so was very scummy.

No, it isn't. Scum already knows rcwraspy's alignment so they have no need to push for clarification. Town doesn't. Having confirmed Town helps Town. You need to explain how this is scummy, instead of just saying it is and hoping others will follow along.

Stop hiding behind others for you read on Pie. Those "many others" either voted earlier or were pushed into it by you. You're not one to follow. Take freedom, for example. Despite strong insistence from experienced players, you threatened to go after him just because he
didn't want to vote Pie. Reconcile that.

So I cannot be swayed by others? Rezom, rcwraspy and Stardust aren't people I should ever listen to? Your logic is ridiculous. How can you definitively know whether or not I will take account of the reads of others? Your logic is again defective.

I threatened to go after Freedom because as I have stated many times, I don't consider him confirmed Town and have listed, repeatedly, reasons why I still hold him under suspicion.

It is bizzare that when it comes to Freedom you expect me to listen to "strong" players, but when it regards Pie, I am expected to make up my own mind independant of the discussion of others and ignore those same strong players. Which is it Stardust? Can I listen to others or not?

Explain the inconsistencies in your argument.

Cool. I'm ready.

Vote zemanjaski.

And just for the audience, confirm your reasons are:

1. my pushing for our testing of raspy's claim
2. my pushing of an information lynch on Pie, when I had at one point, had him as Town

Y/Y?

"The audience"...

Confirm, though I'll reword those slightly.

1. Your pushing to test rcw's claim without considering the
possibility of a 1-shot unlynchable townie.

I don't need to consider it at all. rcwraspy claimed completely unlynchable and when questioned about whether it had any attached conditions, clarified that it didn't. I don't think it benefits Town at all for raspy to be lying here, and there is more valuable in having a confirmed Town member than any other outcome. It doesn't matter now, anyway, for two reasons:
a. we already tested it again, with raspy himself being involved (and you were involved too - why support my test lynch if you're against it?)
b. imopen2 has claimed a bus driver ability that was used to protect raspy; this means scum tried to NK raspy which confirms he is Town (if we can believe imopen2).

2. Your pushing of a lynch on Pie when you read him as town in every aspect you commented on.

Yes, all the elements on my read were Town. As explained several times previously, many other more experienced players were making a case for
him being scum. This saw me eventually change my read from Town to null. For reasons also already explained multiple times and agreed to by many other posters, we felt this ultimately served Town.

@ everyone. I am away on holiday at the moment, will be chiming in where I can (I'll be killed IRL if I sit on a computer and do a re-read, ha); so will still comment on things; but I can't do any substantive re-read or analysis for another few days sorry.

Who do you want to lynch, zem?

I don't know honestly, I'm real busy right now getting ready for two PEs and freaking out about spending 10 days with Pip's extended family...

I need to re-look at yesterDay and some of what's happened toDay then start asking questions. Look forward to some more text walls.

Stardust and Wraith seem to be acting with a lot of co-ordination today. They're both taking issue with the same points in tandem, and both have now moved in on me; Stardust at least had me null yesterday, but Wraith had me as likely Town. Moving me from Town to scum based on my pushing a vote for CRWraspy, that was not only explained in detail and AGREED TO AS BEING GOOD FOR TOWN BY MULTIPLE POSTERS is very questionnable; and they're both doing it seemingly out of nowhere.

Did they have much if any interaction in the last game day? Or did they avoid each other?

It's a little strange
that Wraith is already discussing serious lynching too, the day has only just begun.

You are fairly aggressive on a pointless lynch now.

This is very incorrect.

If yes, I have already explained my reasons for both points, so I won't have more to say on this distraction until a few other posters have had more input.

Cool. I'm ready.

Vote zemanjaski.

And just for the audience, confirm your reasons are:

1. my pushing for our testing of raspy's claim
2. my pushing of an information lynch on Pie, when I had at one point, had him as Town

Y/Y?

Stardust and Wraith seem to be acting with a lot of co-ordination today. They're both taking issue with the same points in tandem, and both have now moved in on me; Stardust at least had me null yesterday, but Wraith had me as likely Town. Moving me from Town to scum based on my pushing a vote for CRWraspy, that was not only explained in detail and AGREED TO AS BEING GOOD FOR TOWN BY MULTIPLE POSTERS is very questionnable; and they're both doing it seemingly out of nowhere.

Did they have much if any interaction in the last game day? Or did they avoid each other?

It's a little strange
that Wraith is already discussing serious lynching too, the day has only just begun.

I was posting my intentions cause Saturday might be busy and Sunday-Tuesday will be hard for me to get to a computer. Since the votes reset, I have not cast a vote so.....

You are fairly aggressive on a pointless lynch now. My opinions so far have been wrong or are now very confused. Stardust has made very good points on you, but you know my thoughts on her so far. Freedom is a duh. Ham is just acting scummy with the side line sitting. I am listening with an open mind. Just giving you all my standings to help.

I am not aggressive at all about lynching Raspy. It isn't going to happen. I just wanted to test his claim and make sure he was being truthful. You understand why right? I don't want there to be any misunderstanding between us; sure I was the one pushing that we test his claim, but G_R, Freedom, DocLawless and CRWraspy himself all thought it was a good idea for reasons I
have previously explained. I know we see Mafia theory differently, and obviously you come from a law enforcement background, so maybe what I was doing doesn't appeal to you for some reason? I basically just wanted to be sure that he was, 100% definitely, unlynchable Town.

We've done that now and I have zero interest in any arguments against rcwraspy now. Is that clear?

I need to go and make a re-read; do some analysis of what was happening with Pie.

Stardust and Wraith seem to be acting with a lot of co-ordination today. They're both taking issue with the same points in tandem, and both have now moved in on me; Stardust at least had me null yesterday, but Wraith had me as likely Town. Moving me from Town to scum based on my pushing a vote for CRWraspy, that was not only explained in detail and AGREED TO AS BEING GOOD FOR TOWN BY MULTIPLE POSTERS is very questionnable; and they're both doing it seemingly out of nowhere.

Did they have much if any interaction in the last game day? Or did they avoid each other?

It's a little strange that Wraith is already discussing serious lynching too, the day has only just begun.

Z, you said rcw was acting more townie (following his "lynch") in the same post you said you wanted to lynch him again. That's my problem. That's what you're ignoring.

I don't understand your concern, but let me try to explain again. These are the steps in my logic:

1. RCWraspy is acting very scummy. We, as a group, decide that he is the best first lynch candidate
2. Turns out he cannot be lynched. He claims that he is unlynchable miller.
3. Rezom points out that there can be 1-shot unlynchable scum.
4. My contention is that we may as well try to lynch him again to test RCW's claim; RCW always claimed lynch immunity; which is what scum would say to prevent us trying to lynch him again.
5. There is no harm to Town in testing
RCW's claim; we now have a confirmed Townie.

So yeah, I immediately wanted to lynch him again to be 100% certain that he is now Town. We've done that now so I have no problems with RCW at all. I am not sure why you and Wraith223 are having difficulty with this, everyone else gets it.

Read the timing of everything else. Your worst posts happened a short time before the Day ended. Then you accuse me of not stepping forward sooner? Like I said, I didn't catch your scummy intentions until Night fell. You lynched someone that you were reading as town. You defend yourself saying you were following me, but I had already unvoted. There's no other way to read this.

No, I had moved Pie to my null pile. Both you and Rezom had made arguments that he might be scum, and that had been enough for me to move him out of confirmed Town in my mind; while I thought that my read on him was correct, I was swayed by the arguments of more experienced players - you even made the point to
me that I should not be so trusting and uncritical of experienced players, so I took on board the concerns of others and reassigned a read on him.

You unvoting is irrelevant. I was following your arguments, not your vote. You unvoting doesn't make your argument that Pie might be scum disappear.

As for rcw, maybe you can explain how him being 1-shot confirms he's scum? Keep in mind I wrote that before he had confirmed he wasn't 1-shot (and said as much) so there was no misrep there despite your bold words. You wanted to test it no matter what, ignoring other evidence. That's what's scummy.

Explain what evidence I am ignoring to the crowd please. RCWs behavioural stuff I must ignore; he was deliberately acting in a certain way to get lynched yesterDay; why would I look into that behaviour for tells?

Pretty sure he confirmed he wasn't a 1 shot days ago so I need to check that; how long have you been sitting on your accusatory post?

Definite misrep. I explained before the lynch that we should test the claim and why,
others agreed with me then and you voiced no concern until now and you had time; you were active in the days before the lynch when it was discussed. Why have you been hiding your concerns? You're the experienced player, you should be helping Town make good decisions.

Put simply, RCW could be lying about his ability; maybe he is scum with 1-shot immunity? Now we will know. Town wouldn't lie about that ability and confirming him helps Town.

Last thing, you lynched Pie for info, yet haven't mentioned any info you got from that lynch. Did you even look into it? What have you got?

It's coming when I have time to make a substantive post. Yes, I've looked in to it. Like everyone I'm extremely busy right now; I'm posting at 6am before getting to bed from a Chistmas party...