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by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:48 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
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Views: 259356


Zem, I was legitimately surprised when I found that you were town.
Give you some honest feedback from where I am sitting. Bear in mind that I am a bit of a mafia neophyte myself.
I felt that your case against me was very aggressive and based upon very little (at least early on. Your view on my alignment changed very drastically after just one of my posts), and while I know you to be aggressive, it seemed to
me as if you were just trying to get a quick lynch on a somewhat inexperienced player who made a slip.
There's no reason for scum to openly and aggressively go after someone like I went after you. While some scum will do that (its very hard through), most prefer to take a more passive role, which is what we saw from all 4 scum in this game. Remember that too.
I had it in my mind that you were first-time scum. In DTR, you were aggressive as town and downright bloodthirsty as SK, giving me reason to believe that you would also be incredibly bloodthirsty as scum.
My play as the SK was both poor and misguided by the structure of the game, plus two mod errors with the PMs giving me and Stardust incorrect information, that ultimately substantially affected my play. It is quite possible that i'll be similarly bad as scum when / if I ever roll it though!
You became increasingly less scummy as the game
progressed, but I still thought you were scum due to the elimination of the other town spots.
Shouldn't it have become more likely I was scum as the ratio of scum players in the remaining pool increased proportionately?
What I was trying to say was that your actions made you look less scummy, but the numbers increased your chances of being scum.
Makes sense.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:43 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

I think you played well on the final Day, but Wraith was so consistent and sincere throughout the entire game.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:49 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356


Zem, I was legitimately surprised when I found that you were town.
Give you some honest feedback from where I am sitting. Bear in mind that I am a bit of a mafia neophyte myself.
I felt that your case against me was very aggressive and based upon very little (at least early on. Your view on my alignment changed very drastically after just one of my posts), and while I know you to be aggressive, it seemed to me as if you were just trying to get a quick lynch on a somewhat inexperienced player who made a slip.
Two things to keep in mind:
- I am not going to call someone out on early small things that indicate scum; doing so stops any chance of them making a real slip, or stops me building a case by them
accumulating enough small tells - it also forces them to correct their play. You made a LOT of small tells that told me you were concerned with how you were perceived by others; this is typically a good scum tell because only scum should care how they look to others; Town should only care about catching scum. That you then reinforced this behaviour with things like "I am acting like I did in the other game where I was Town" and "yeah, I was trying hard to act Town" don't help.

- You'll often see a case start out pretty weak to fish for more information (not necessarily from the subject of the case). Sometimes you need more pressure than a vote (or at least different pressure). Reactions to pressure are very telling and again, your response was to become extremely self conscious. Now, ordinarily I would have considered that you're super new and noob town can be hard to differentiate from scum; but a few things you said were just too self aware.

Also consider that most of the
people on your wagon were Town, so there was some validity to my argument, and try not to fall into the trap of "someone is making a case against me, they must be scum". There's no reason for scum to openly and aggressively go after someone like I went after you. While some scum will do that (its very hard through), most prefer to take a more passive role, which is what we saw from all 4 scum in this game. Remember that too.
You became increasingly less scummy as the game progressed, but I still thought you were scum due to the elimination of the other town spots.
Shouldn't it have become more likely I was scum as the ratio of scum players in the remaining pool increased proportionately?
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:49 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Don't be too hard on yourself. Wraith just read as very genuine; he just picked the wrong scum but it's not like there was anything he could do differently. Definitely his best played game so far.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:08 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

GG enjoyable format for sure.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:07 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

It's fun reading how clever rezombad thinks he is.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:06 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Pretty sure Wraith and I are Town, and that I have been really off on my reads this game. I'm going to bloc vote with Wraith and we'll see what happens.

Vote Rezombad
by zemanjaski
Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:21 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Insert mandatory confusing wraith post.
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:30 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

I think the only line where he's anything but town that made a harmless error is if I think he's scum buddies with fate; which I don't. It's plausible he could be making a play for town cred, but I don't think so.

The way he worded his response, before his more substantive explanation gave me pause but now I feel ok.

Town voting bloc: Zem, wraith, Rez, red? Next most likely town is Stardust I think.
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:08 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Probably, it's 2am and I can't sleep and I need to be up at 530 sigh
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:58 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Claiming vt shouldn't save you from a lynch*

Stupid phone
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:51 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Well, my immediate response was "what could red expect fate to claim that would get him to change his vote?"

We know there's 1 doc and otherwise you can only claim vt. Claiming vt should save you from a lynch because everyone will have to claim it; the structure, I think, is set up that 1 mafia =/= 1 doc; so claiming doc to trade for the real doc after they counter claim seems like a losing proposition.

So I just don't understand the Unvote; to make sense of it I figured that perhaps red didn't know the set up, or didn't know it was open. I'm not sure what to make of his response tbh.
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:43 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

He could but he declined to. There's no reason not to if he was the doc; that he didn't even try suggests to me that he knows the real doc is out there (if he's scum) or that he's a vt who doesn't want to expose the doc; so that's null at best.

The structure of the game makes it really hard for me to put players in the town pile; scum actively want to hunt scum in this game.
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:39 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Nope.
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:28 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

No I want to know what's going through his head. It doesn't seem believable to get the structure that wrong.
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:03 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

What's he going to claim? Explain the strategic purpose of the unvote please/
by zemanjaski
Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:47 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Vote Fate
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:21 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Can you clarify the first sentence of your last post wraith?

Scum communicate via an offsite chat client, during permitted times only (for this game, during night only).
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:47 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Suga or Void for me. I will vote for Suga now but am happy to switch to Void if that's the consensus.

Vote Suga
by zemanjaski
Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:39 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

T/S List
Wraith223 - play consistent with his Town game; I like that he is willing to go against the grain and challenge players like Stardust. Sure, he contradicts himself sometimes, but I think that is an indicator of Town too.
rezombad* - playing the same as every game I have seen him as Town, right down to tunneling me to death. Don't ever change ;)

(G_R) - hasn't done enough for me to get a read on him; that there are two scum teams greatly complicates my placing of him since what little scum hunting he has done could easily be scum hunting scum
Stardust - supported me a lot on Day 1. In DTR mafia he backed up Freedom when Freedom did dumb things; here he wanted to lynch Freedom. Maybe this is an indicator of a scum alignment? Add to that the doc claim and it is unclear to me. Questions overall have felt Town
though.
Fate - I have no idea what Fate is doing this game; could be either alignment
Void - never played with him before but I think the case against him is reasonable
Manders* - very passive play on Day 1 is excusable if it leads to something productive Day 2; Manders instead has remained passive only to wagon me at the end which seems very opportunistic.
RedNihilist r. Captain Murphy - replaced in for a possible scum player; said he would make some substantive posts but only commented on wraith's posts that were immediately above red's posts....now making excuses about being busy
imopen2 - already cased
DroppinSuga - already cased

In regards to how this game plays out, I don't have much more to say on the rage induced voting incident from a few days ago. All I ask is that you examine my play with that event put aside and then cast your vote accordingly.
by zemanjaski
Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:44 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
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Views: 259356

What did you mean? Also, post a t/s list please?
I mean exactly what I wrote - when I have cleared my head from being completely and utterly pissed off with Suga and can think straight about the game, I will re-assess.

I will post a T/S later today, not at home currently.
by zemanjaski
Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:38 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
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Views: 259356

@ Rez, I suppose that's one possible meaning, but that's not what I meant.
by zemanjaski
Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:40 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Guess I will have time for a re-read this weekend, yay :rolleyes:
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:46 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Like I said, yesterday was me in a blind fury. I've gotten too emotional in this game and I can't think straight. For now ill abstain and try to clear my head before deadline.

Will answer any questions.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:16 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Guys and girls is like to apologize for my earlier outburst. While I've been saying I think Suga is scum for some time my vote earlier was not made for in game reasons and was instead a result of boiling over frustration with Suga as a person. Honestly I would rather never have to speak to him again and I let my feelings override my play. Whatever frustration I have with him isn't helped by my actions.

Sorry again.

Unvote
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:32 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Sigh whatever. He fucked the game anyway.

Vote Suga
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:25 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Suga went through the same death rattle in Pantheon Mafia, where he was Town.

Being completely fucking useless then complaining is consistent with his Town game that I have seen.

I'll withhold my vote pending reading this fucking game again.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:22 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

I am really angry. You'll notice I have withheld my vote though.

I am surprised at G_R finally calling for a lynch though - he has been pretty passive through the game. Had he raised suspicions about Suga before? Will need to check.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:03 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

If we don't have any questions, I am willing to lynch.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:52 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

I have to manually reveal your posts in here, as unlike you, you selfish self-serving piece of shit, I'm trying to play the game. But soon you'll be dead and ill never have to interact with you ever again.

Fuck you, you stupid fucking moron.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:40 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

You've clearly not read the thread. I pushed both wagons aggressively.

If you never play mafia with us again, we're all better off. You do nothing for weeks at a time then whine about complaints of your activity level.

Good riddance.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:29 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

If we're OK with a Suga lynch I am down to hammer.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:12 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

He's about the worst person ever, what do you expect.
by zemanjaski
Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:08 am
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Wraith is Town, that's a start.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:46 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

No naked votes at this point Void. Merci.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:25 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

I think we need to focus, an we need some of the Lurkers to start posting.
I don't know where you think you are, but this is diestoremoval where the lurkers lurk hard then aggressively whine if you point that out.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:52 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Wait I misread your post Stardust and you misread mine.

On Day 1 I thought the slip couldn't be real (it was too obvious) so I thought it must be a trap or baiting.

Now reading back he never followed up or made use of it, so I think my initial read was wrong.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:48 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Yeah I did more analysis than that day 1, but yes, I think I missed up in dismissing the case against him then; hence reconsidering it now. I got too clever for myself; now I think he's a legitimate lynch.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:43 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Slip is probably the wrong term. He was trying to get us to discuss Doc targets on Day 1.
by zemanjaski
Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:23 pm
Forum: Completed Games
Topic: Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!
Replies: 1055
Views: 259356

Good post Rez.

Suga and imopen2 remain my main scum reads.

In my mind, town are: Rez, Manders, wraith, rcwraspy.

CM is a good call too. On re-read of his posts I think the points others made - that his slip was too contrived to be a real scum slip - is a fair one. So ill move him to my scum like too.

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