Dies to Removal

I have one last thing to add.





Morons.

I would prefer shorter deadlines, but don't know how to entice more people to play.

I suppose me dying instead of CK was good, but getting railroaded by Az sucked out all hope of enjoying the game.

I don't have the right constitution for mafia, I take it too personally.

Bitter etc.

Well played everybody, except for that whole lynching me even though you knew I was town thing.

I am town.

Yeah, but I'll post it again to avoid having to search on my phone.

I'm not working on the double vote ability, but sweet scum implication bro. Having information (device build time) is never bad, even if I don't use it.

Can you think of a good sneaky pro-town device? I'll submit it tomorrow with the seal of Azrael approved town mindset attached.

I've submitted 3 more inventions today.

1. A one-shot day device that gives the name of a random living townie and announces it in the thread.

2. A one-shot vote rigging device that lets my vote count twice during that day.

3. A bat cape extension that lets me hide another player at night to make them untargetable.

Ok. I was looking for this.

Walk me through your thought process on invention #2, and why on invention #3 you wanted untargetability rather than a doc protect, please.

I think being untargetable is a more powerful effect for a townie than a doc effect, since it prevents jailing and roleblocking interference from scum. It's also more sneaky, and I wanted to get the bonus from my expertise. If I submitted a straight doc ability, I expect it would take longer to build.

A double vote is a fine way to break a stall in endgame.

On D1, I submitted a cloaking device attachment that would make me untargetable at night (2 days), a lie detector that would alarm the first time anyone in the thread lied about their alignment (4 days), and a snooping device that would send me copies of messages posted to shared off-site topics at night (infinity days).

Stardust said my 3rd device would break the game, so he let me submit an alternate third device. I submitted the bat bot (2 days).

LMD:

I haven't given up, I'm just done with Azrael. There are players here who are doing less than me, please don't misrepresent my activity or motivation.

Nah, didn't try to kill you because I'm not scum. Nice try though.

If someone had jailed/blocked me to prevent a NK, I'm sure they would have said something by now.

Awww, cute, you're trying to figure out how I stoppped your kill.

Aww, you're still tunneling! So precious.

Nah, didn't try to kill you because I'm not scum. Nice try though.

If someone had jailed/blocked me to prevent a NK, I'm sure they would have said something by now.

Bro, if I were scum I would have killed you last night. What makes tonight any different?

Either way, I still don't have anything I can do at night. See my reaction to your gambit at the start of the day.

If you're adamant about not lynching MoJo, go for a NL and lynch me tomorrow if you still think I'm scum. My bot buys us a mislynch.

What's the point in letting somebody act like he did?
He's not contributing to the town's case, he's not explaining himself, to me he just appears to be a lurker who has started his game with a blatant lie then avoided confrontation about it.
How is that towny?
Show me the light, Master Azrael, as I still can't get myself to think that ham is scum.

It's not very townie. But it's not a scum tell, either. It's just a question we haven't had explained yet. It's not safe to draw assumptions off that single, unexplained data point.

You could easily spin that action in a couple different lights, as either townie playing badly, or scum playing WIFOM games, but I can't really see much reason to believe in one of those interpretations over the other.

It's like with the cases against Dechs, and me, from earlier. A mistake isn't the same thing as a scum tell. We're not looking for bad play, we're looking for multiple actions that are more likely to come from scum, than town.

Things such as:
1. Pushing weak cases overly aggressively (Ham)
2. Inability to fake a consistent mindset - actions and language are self-contradictory (Ham)
3. Scrupulous concern with maintaining an appearance of townishness and making nice with other players, while spending much less effort to actually help the town. (Ham)
4. Subtly pushing the town towards disastrous courses of action, with pernicious lynch advice and trying to establish false, role-based confirmations of himself and others (Ham)

#1 - I wouldn't trot out that argument. Your continued push against me is overly aggressive and absolutely wrong, and will shred your credibility once I flip.

#2 - I've consistently behaved in a manner that suggests I'm annoyed by you and your multiple-week tunnel on me. You think I could fake being this irritated by you, especially after your D2 gambit which I smacked down immediately without any backpedaling?

#3 - An appearance of townishness? Get out of here. If I was maintaining an appearance of townishness, you wouldn't be on my ass. You can't say "HE'S SO SCUMMY GET HIM!" and then accuse me of appearing town in the same breath.

#4 - You think my role PM keyword confirmation is false? Sure thing boss. It seems to have struck a chord with other players here, some who I suspect share an element of my role PM. Maybe you aren't convinced by it, as evidenced by your D1 confusion over how plan submissions worked.

Vote MoJo until he shoots someone or confirms the keyword.

unvote

Interesting thought, Dechs. He still hasn't told me the key word from his role PM, if that's worth anything.

Hmm, well you built it so I assume you'll make the right choice on how to put statements in.

My suggestion:

"Hamfactorial, Azrael and Dechs Kaison are all town."

"LMD, rezombad and RedNihilist are all town."

Either of the two phrases, if true, give you a team of three confirmed townies.

If either is false, you have a three person team to pick through for scum.

If both are true, either you or MoJo is scum.

If you're scum, you'll lie, so I don't want you included in a three-person team to clear yourself. Otherwise, mix up the groups however you like.

Twice, I may send the mod a phrase, not longer than 10 words, that is a direct game-thread quote. The mod will respond with whether that statement was truthful or a lie.

Write any 10 word phrases you'd like me to say and I'll repost them. I assume the question of my alignment is the lingering one, so let's deal with it.

Oh, lulz. I thought "ham is probably the vig shot" meant that I had the gun instead of MoJo, which made no sense.

Maybe I'm drunk.

I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I really can't help it.

If you did word it like an actual prophecy machine, we could probably develop two phrases that should definitively tell us who the remaining scum are with true/false values on them.

Brainstorming...
Phrase one: The remaining scum is either Ham, Rez, or LMD.
Phrase two: The remaining scum is either Ham or RedN.

If they're both true, then we hang Ham. If one's true but not the other, it clears Ham and implicates Rez/LMD or confirms RedN depending on which is true. I mean, that covers five of eight remaining players right now. MoJo should shoot one of us today, we'll hang another one, and one should die tonight. That's everybody accounted for. Holy shit, this could solve the game.

Ham is probably the vig shot, shoot him, see how he flips and go from there I feel is the line right now.

Huh? Why would I be the vig shot? And if I was the vig shot, why would I shoot myself? Nice line, does it work while sober?

u wot m8?

This thread is full of anger. I'll write any sentence you want, imopen, just let me know the formatting.

Nope, he should vote for whoever he thinks is scum. If that's me, cool, but your direction is bad and he should feel bad if he listens to you.

I'm scum.

lol, Az is at it again.

everyone should probably post "I am Town" now in case i decide to use it as a two-shot cop

I am town

Stardust.

Better start thinking about it, dude.

Like, we've already got two scum in the bag, we just need you to clear doubt in Mojo's mind/everyone else who thinks you could be scum so we can get this done with.

When I flip town, who do you suspect next?

Ah, so Az is unconvinced. I am shocked!

Kill or lynch me if you like, I'm annoyed at the way this game is going so getting killed wouldn't ruin the experience. Or, if you're feeling froggy, kill me tomorrow and verify my role PM says town. I'll still be alive on D3, so you get a free "Az lead me astray" pass and we can move to more productive things.

If I'm actually scum, whoever blocked me last night can just do it again to prevent a NK and then string me up tomorrow

Alright MoJo, what's the word?

@mod:

Is discussion of an ability's keyword allowed, as I've proposed above?

I'm tired of waiting around and spamming smilies while replacements and prods are tracked down.

I will claim, then you all can decide whether you believe me or want to lynch me and see my role PM. Or maybe believe me and still want my role PM

In advance, I'm aware that I may look foolish after Az talked about not claiming being a death sentence. Whatever. He thinks I'm scum anyway, and I'm not trying to win him over.

I'm Batman, Master Builder. I have no special targeted abilities, but I can PM Stardust 3 inventions each day. I have expertise (see follow-up question below) in sneaky-related devices.

On D1 I submitted plans for a Lego bat bot that I can occupy. While in my bat bot, I can post, vote, and continue working on other devices normally. If I'm killed or lynched while inside my bot, I return to the game
the following day without bot protection.

That bot will be complete at the end of the day, and I've told Stardust to activate it should I live.

I've submitted 3 more inventions today.

1. A one-shot day device that gives the name of a random living townie and announces it in the thread.

2. A one-shot vote rigging device that lets my vote count twice during that day.

3. A bat cape extension that lets me hide another player at night to make them untargetable.

Stardust told me that each device takes 2 days to build.



@MoJo: what is the italicized keyword for your offensive weapon expertise? This will help clear you as town if your word matches mine.

I did a search in the thread and nobody has used the word yet. It's not in the sample role PM in the OP. Any other Master Builders should check their role PMs to see what the word is.

It's the scum, get him!