Dies to Removal

Heh, got me!

Everyone loses, weeeeee!

The spec thread was comedy, sorry to let LMD down

I hope this finishes the game.

Do it!

In case you get the new one, my cards were:

Town Vanilla
Mafia Tracker
Town 1-shot Kingmaker

I wonder if rez will show my original role PM, or the new one I was given after I was cultified. Exciting!

Do you dudes think there's remaining threats to town besides me? If so, I'll keep tracking until something happens. Otherwise, kill me and let's start a new game

Vote ham

Azrael, he didn't visit anyone last night.

I didn't learn anything from last night's track.

OK, kill me.

Is there even a scum team in this game?

I'm a tracker.

I didn't, but I'll try to use it again tonight to help you guys out.

You can take the ham challenge, though.

Nah, I'm essentially dead weight unless there's someone who can purge me of my alignment. I can still help town, but I'm not going to put a lot of effort into it since even if you win I lose.

K, see ya guys.

Good morning dudes!

I targeted Stardust last night because I didn't believe his claim. I was town but now I'm cult, so that's shitty.

I don't see any way to win now, so my motivation is gone. I'll keep playing like I'm town but you'll have to kill me after you find scum since I'm still technically a threat. I don't have any way to kill anyone though, so this is pretty useless.

Well, at least that confirms me!

But yeah, didn't you gain a recruit ability?

imopen, since we're still lynching Jamie today, you should roleblock this.

No, all I have is a new alignment and win condition. No way to recruit suckers to the club

Good morning dudes!

I targeted Stardust last night because I didn't believe his claim. I was town but now I'm cult, so that's shitty.

I don't see any way to win now, so my motivation is gone. I'll keep playing like I'm town but you'll have to kill me after you find scum since I'm still technically a threat. I don't have any way to kill anyone though, so this is pretty useless.

ham, Azrael lynched you because he thought you were scum. He was wrong. Can't you just leave it at that?

Yes, I won't bring it up again.

Az:

I would have hammered him if his ISO gave me reason to, but I announced my intention and would have held off for discussion.

I have a huge confirmation bias against you personally, so I'm going to assume malice or incompetence every time you're part of a mislynch.

Raspy, you're the latest casualty in Azrael's quest to browbeat townies to an early grave. He did the same shit to me last game.

I'm going to spend some time reading into how this day ended, because it feels dirty.

Intent to hammer. I will re-read raspy's posts and see if his lynch seems appropriate, then cast a vote.

It's early so I'll wait a bit to catch objections.

Pedit: nath'd by Stardust

Someone lit up the math signal and I came running!

Dechs I like your case on io2. I'll look into his posts tomorrow morning.

Also, at you painting me in a negative light for not liking your plan at the start.

Please re-read, case and vote me if you find my behavior or motivation scummy. I will gladly discuss anything you bring up.

I'm aware that my sour disposition as town screwed me in Lego mafia, so I'd like to work on being less caustic this game. It's not helpful to my teammates.

Yeah, I see what you're trying to ask.

I don't know what WitchHunt's alignment is. Why do you think I know it?

Because I'm bad at the mafias

Well, I've got a little bit of announcement, while re-reading and playing catch up in the thread I caught onto this.

The card i took alignment from was cop/lover

Since people started revealing their alignment card its best for everyone to follow suit, since whatever advantage there is gets you killed.

I'm counter claiming, I didn't have Town Lover, I had Town Cop/Lover as my card. I realize a Cop is a reasonably powerful role, and the reason I didn't pick it as my card was because there were so many factions besides Mafia and when doubled with the Lover portion of the card I didn't feel too keen on it.

I'm okay with revealing my previous sketchy claim simply because the counter claim profit is too strong.

Vote: Jamie

I'm in it for the town. If this backfires and I get lynched or NKed, you'll know to take out Jamie next.

Jamie's cards are, at this point, the following -

1. Town Vanilla (discarded)
2. XXX 1-shot Governor (revealed through ability use)
3. (Unknown)

The wiki shows a Mafia 1-shot Governor card and a Town 1-shot Governor card. We know he chose that for his ability, since he just used it. Neither card's alignment matters, since it gets ignored.

Card #3 is the one he chose for his alignment. He lied about using "Town Cop/Lover" if WitchHunt is to be believed (see possibility 3).

Possibility 1: Jamie's 3rd card was Town.

If his third card was town, he'd have no reason to lie about using Town Cop/Lover as his third card. Possibility 1 is likely not true.

Possibility 2: Jamie's 3rd card was non-town

If his third card was non-town, he would have incentive to lie about his Town Cop/Lover card to avoid being lynched by the town. He may not be mafia, but he could be alien, neutral, werewolf, etc.

Possibility 3: WitchHunt is lying about receiving the Cop/Lover card

If WitchHunt lied about his counter-claim, the whole thing is FUBAR. I think a shot-in-the-dark fake counter-claim is extremely unlikely for a townie, so I'm minimizing the possibility of this one. The downside of counter-claiming and having your claim disproven is so high, it makes no sense unless WitchHunt is unlynchable and has a partner to protect him through multiple days.

Possibility 2 seems simpler, and the one I believe. I think Jamie is scum or a threat to town.

Since we can't lynch him today, anyone game for a NL?

I don't think you're the scummiest player here, I'm just offering a suggestion about which townie should absorb the Saint hammer if one actually exists.

Huh, hamfactorial knows I'm town?

hammy, why would you word this like this? Even if you're not letting slip that I'm town, thinking like this makes no sense coming from someone with no information (ie: a townie). "Which townie should absorb the Saint hammer" should be replaced by "who should we force to hammer so we can catch two scum". I initially thought you were just being wrong, but now that I think about it, this mindset just doesn't make sense coming from a townie.

I don't know if you're town, and I don't think you're the scummiest here. The two aren't mutually exclusive in a multi-faction setup.

My post about you addressed the possibility of end-of-day waffling over the hammer vote on Jamie in the face of saint speculation.

Raspy already said he wasn't interested in hammering, see this exchange here -

I'm happy with a RCW hammer

good for you. it's unlikely to happen.

If raspy wasn't going to play along, and Jamie was sitting around at L-1 with townies afraid to hammer him, I suggested you do it instead. You claim you're town, you don't want us to be in your cult, so absorbing the saint blowback (if one existed) would prevent us from turning cult after you die, preserving your stated town win condition.

I offered to hammer, since I didn't think he was a saint. Dechs offered the same. You didn't comment on my suggestion until after we got Jamie's governor reveal. Why did you wait?

Am I the scummiest player in the game, ham? I don't remember you ever saying much about me, but now you'd rather I die over every other player?

I don't think you're the scummiest player here, I'm just offering a suggestion about which townie should absorb the Saint hammer if one actually exists.

I'll hammer him because YOLO, anyone want me to wait? I saw raspy put him up to L-1.

There was more than one super saint card, right? Maybe we should get a specific person to hammer just in case. rcw, maybe?

How about you? You're allegedly a town Black Goo, so you'll get to keep your teammates out of the cult if Jamie is a saint, and you'll look like a total stud if he's lying.

@mod: votecount, please

I'd like to vote Jamie, but will hold off to make sure I don't hammer him without discussion. I'll be at a work event today so I'm posting from phone but I'll follow along.

I'm happy there's a counter-claim that came out of Dechs' plan, but I'm divided.

The odds of someone faking a card and then catching someone with that card is so low it strikes me as a stunt.

It's such a high-risk low-reward play for a scum player though, so I'm inclined to believe WitchHunt is being genuine with this.

WitchHunt:

Why did you leave the cop portion off of your original claim?

There are lots of Night abilities that could screw that plan up too. A four person team doesn't have to work very hard to win this game, so I don't see them risking trying to pull a play like that.

Either way, a 4-person team is unlikely as it is. Please stop focusing on trying to get concrete information from setup speculation. Ultimately, whatever you find will be next to useless and if you're town your efforts would be better spent looking at actions and reactions. For example, what do you think of hammy's change of heart regarding giving up his card? What do you make of the way people claimed their lover cards?

Was sick yesterday. I'll get a better post up later today.

I can explain in greater detail why I chose to comply with Dechs' request, but I'll wait until he has the chance to give his thoughts on it.

I hate when I ask a question and someone else answers for him or her.

Dechs:

I see what you're up to now. When I replied to your post last night, I assumed that there was duplication among the cards making it easy to fool the group by picking a common card.

I checked the wiki just now and saw that there's no carbon copies among the cards, so your request is a reasonable attempt to find scum through counter-claims.

Unvote Dechs Kaison

The card I used was Town 1-shot Kingmaker.