Dies to Removal

I jailed Manders N1

You just can't keep your hands off me.

But seriously, was that because you didn't trust me or because you did and wanted to protect me?

I thought you were the most obvious town and I was looking to prevent a NK.

Jesus Christ, you're going to be this site's Kraj.

He is, absolutely, the only person who's ever been able to read me with any kind of accuracy. That man can see through me in ways I never thought were possible. And I have no idea how (other than we've spent a LOT of time chatting in the past and have played a fair amount of game together.) But he's impressively accurate.

Krajfactorial

I jailed Manders N1

You just can't keep your hands off me.

But seriously, was that because you didn't trust me or because you did and wanted to protect me?

I thought you were the most obvious town and I was looking to prevent a NK.

I jailed Manders N1

I think it may be time to pull the plug on this one.

I'd still like to play it out

Anyone left in this game?

V/LA until Tuesday morning, I'm traveling to/from Texas to visit friends.

All hail glorious admin

I don't know what to make of the Pedro/Red finger-pointing yet, but I think a mass claim is unwise given how little information we have and how much information it gives the scum team.

Red's reaction appears town to me, but I don't like his refusal to provide any details.

Manders: It's too early to think about what?

Can your power be verified?

unvote while this all plays out.

T/S list :

Town :
rezombad
Manders
Ham

Null :
MoJo
Tordeck

Well, their lack of activity (like mine I know) made them almost unreadable, I will try to analyse their posts with the new events from D1/N1

Scum
RedNihilist

Not only because he got pretty aggressive with me but I have a strong case on him. He probably killed Stardust.

What's your strong case on Red?

I don't know why Stardust would have used his 8 ball ability on a random player in the opening posts of a new game. He's not around to explain himself, but I've seen his role PM and it lines up with the flavor that he used in the MoJo vote. It's all I have to go on from him, so I'm looking at the available evidence.

Whenever I've received a mafia ability with a caveat or restriction, the mod has included it in my role PM. If our mod designed and balanced the game such that Stardust's role as written is possible and balanced, who are we to question it? The original sign-up thread said that there was a non-zero chance of the setup being bastard. My worry is that the scum team is very powerful, given Stardust and GR's role PMs. Why not give scum a double vote as a way to blend in?

Yes, GR and Stardust had powerful town roles, so a powerful scum role seems appropriate to me.

What do you think?

Stupid "Submit" button!

Pedro, explain the post quoted above.

Ham, mind giving me your general idea on this situation?

I'm not sure why Manders and Tordeck are so against a MoJo vote. Stardust singling him out with an 8ball ability strikes me as the explanation that doesn't require any ridiculous WIFOM.

I'm not a great mafia player, so I try to stick with simple explanations and reasons for my voting. Thus I believe Stardust got an answer that caused him to vote MoJo. Stardust was town, so his motivation (a town victory) is the same as mine, so I'll go with that until someone else gives me a more compelling reason to switch my vote.

I don't believe Stardust CAN ask about alignment. That particular subject is game-breaking and, as a mod, I wouldn't allow it.

For this reason, I will not vote kpaca based on y'alls theory.

Didn't you say "down with modgaming" in an earlier post?

We know that Hunt was town, and Stardust's role PM says that he will have a 50% chance to receive a truthful answer. In the other case, he'll receive an indecisive answer.

If Stardust asked the mod about Huntzilla's alignment, he would have a 50% chance to get the answer. I assume he's smart enough to ask questions where a yes/no answer would leave no ambiguity.

If Stardust asked about Hunt and got a truthful answer, he would know that he was either town, scum, or not-town or not-scum.

Claim in your next post Hunt.

Oh yeah, do that. I checked what I needed to check and it checked out.

If whatever he checked actually gave him a truthful result, he wouldn't have voted for Hunt.

Later Stardust says that Huntzilla's "meta checks out" using the same metaphor.

Ok, sweet, thanks. Meta checks out, Huntzilla is acting out his scum game. I want to quickly answer outstanding questions, then will finish this Day.

It took him a few days to read Hunt's Sally mafia meta.

I assume that in the days between him getting Hunt to L-2 and that post, he would decide that lynching a townie was a bad idea if he had a truthful result on him.

QED he didn't have a truthful result on him.

Manders:

Are you asserting that Stardust used his 8 ball on Huntzilla, and the MoJo crumb was just a fakeout?

Manders:

I don't think Stardust could have convinced us to vote kpaca based on his near-absence of posting and a D1 8ball claim.

I certainly wouldn't have believed him, given that I voted him and kept my vote there all day.

Why aren't we lynching kpaca?

It's possible from the OP, and I got my role and alignment. Hunt getting what he wanted isn't unusual from my POV.

RVS claims are silly, stop being silly dudes.

Why is this not an unvote?

Manders asked me this in her wall of text, I replied right after.

Manders:

I didn't unvote because I wanted to see who would continue to discuss you claiming. L-2 is safe, especially during RVS where nobody is going to hammer you without a claim. If someone else got you to L-1 I would have unvoted you, but I didn't have to and nobody took the scum bait.

Stardust is asking for a lynch (both with his posting and literally) and that makes me suspicious of voting for him.

Why?

Wagons are more fun than non-wagons

Oh, huh, I missed Pedrobear's vote. I guess that puts Manders at L-2. That's cool.

Stardust you so silly. You're the most careful mafia player around, I doubt you missed anything.

Not even just a little claim?

RVS claims are silly, stop being silly dudes.

Vote Manders because female privilege