Dies to Removal

I didn't even think of green. That's actually a decent idea. [card]Hunter's Prowess[/card], [card]Armed / Dangerous[/card], [card]Flesh / Blood[/card]...hmm.

Fair enough

Is there any reason to play this over a traditional burn deck though?

I did say it was an FNM special.

ENERGY LEGS

No. No. Maybe.

It's kind of a sledgehammer deck, as noted by all but the singleton Keranos having haste. I feel like the decks wants to do bigger things than eek out incremental value with Young Pyromancer. This isn't a tempo deck, it's a BLOW YOUR FACE OFF deck.

Got another FNM special for ya!

[deck]Grixis Oracle[/deck]

I wouldn't run more than one.

Considering you have 5 Deicide in the sideboard, I can tell you ARE unsure about it.

Yeah I don't know if Jund is actually there.

what do you guys think of Todd Andersons Naya Blitz? Reminds me a hell of a lot like the old one which was really powerful.

[deck]Creatures (28)

4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Experiment One
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Mogis's Warhound

Lands (20)

1 Forest
3 Mountain
4 Mana Confluence
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple Garden

Spells (12)

4 Chained to the Rocks
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike

Sideboard

3 Boros Reckoner
4 Skylasher
3 Searing Blood
2 Skullcrack
3 Glare of Heresy[/deck]


Seems powerful and mana is just like the old deck and that worked. You do a shitload of damage to yourself with the lands though...could make it very weak in the aggro mirror like
the original deck was.

If I'm playing a Naya deck like that I'd rather play Naya Hexproof. I wonder if Jund aggro would just be better.

I don't understand why Hero of Iroas is in the list. Your bestow creatures are already relatively cheap and so are your other auras.

BR into 1WW? Ask him what fantasy world he lives in.

I'm doing Naya Auras now that MC helps smooth out the mana base, and it doesn't hurt to have new hexproof creatures.


[deck]Creatures (17)
4 Witchstalker
1 Boon Satyr
4 Voice of Resurgence
4 Bassara Tower Archer
4 Gladecover Scout

Spells (21)
2 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
4 Unflinching Courage
4 Madcap Skills
4 Ethereal Armor
4 Boros Charm
3 Selesnya Charm

Lands (22)
4 Temple Garden
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple of Plenty
1 Temple of Abandon
3 Mana Confluence
2 Forest[/deck]

Sideboard is a work in progress, but there's a mix of Gift of Orzhova, FSP, and Mending Touch so far.

I hate you.

Also, hipster red:

4 Prophetic Flamespeaker
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Mogis's Warhound
4 Firefist Striker
4 Rubblebelt Maaka
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Mutavault
18 Mountain

I've been thinking of a similar build. I feel like 4 Flamespeaker may be too many but it's probably worth it to test the entire playset first and trim down from there if it's true.

LP, how many times have you been punished for the 4x Mana Confluence? How would you say the consistency compares to running some number of Temples?

I keep changing things willy nilly, but rampager definitely makes the matchup very winnable. Drawing it probably increases your odds of winning by 20-30% as they can't just brickwall your guys and firefist striker does a good job of helping you punch through extra points of damage. Depending on how good/bad the matchup actually is, I may want to run some number of shocks.

Rampager makes it much better, but the matchup is very swingy. Then again, the whole deck is swingy so...yeah.

I'm running Magma Jet right now for scry value but I may swap to Shock. One mana is a big deal. Searing Blood could be good too since we want to race them. I've lost mono blue games being 2-3 damage short of the win.

Has your results against mono blue been as pathetic as mine? I'm running four Skylashers and the matchup still seems impossible unless I nut out.

Also, how are the Firefist Strikers treating you?

I think it's an oversight for any Standard mono red creature-based deck to not have Burning-Tree Emissary. It's just too powerful not to play.

His version is better, but I'd hardly call it competitive.

Don't like Gruul War Chant. Would prefer another two drop in its place. Also cut a Mountain for a Forest. I'd cut a Madcap Skills and a Titan Strength to fill out the third two drop I mentioned earlier. I've been fond of Skylasher but Gore-house Chainwalker or Firefist Striker is acceptable too.

With Nylea and Collective Blessing in the deck you really don't need Ethereal Armor. Plus with all the hard removal in the format I really don't think it's where you want to be.

Sphere of Safety is probably worth a couple of sideboard slots. In this deck it may as well read "creatures can't attack you."

With white getting such a huge buff in JOU this deck got a lot more powerful. Finally GW gets solid removal spells pre and postboard.

I thought about it in the beginning but ultimately decided it's not what you want. The problem with ramping with it is that you don't have enough high impact four drops to ramp into. You want to be casting Courser, Boon Satyr, Banishing Light, etc which means you actually want Elvish Mystic to get there quicker. Mana Bloom forces you to durdle and lose to aggressive decks. Sure, you get cute interaction with Eidolon of Blossoms late game, but at that point are you not already winning?

[deck]GW Enchantments[/deck]

A light white splash for Banishing Light, Selesnya Charm, and a singleton Karametra in the main. Karametra may seem underwhelming but is deceptively powerful. This deck will often have devotion and even when it doesn't Karametra has an interesting interaction with Courser of Kruphix and Eidolon of Blossoms. If you've already played your land off the top for the turn and reveal another land (and don't want to draw it), you can cast a creature, put the land into play from the Karametra trigger, then use the trigger
from Eidolon of Blossoms to draw from a freshly shuffled deck.

Added some commentary to each list in the OP and updated with the janky Wu FNM brew.

I build a couple Thaumaturge decks but they all were FNM quality decks. This is the best one I came up with.

[deck=Wu Soldiers (FNM special)]
Creatures (21)
4 Favored Hoplite
3 Soldier of the Pantheon
4 Precinct Captain
4 Vanguard of Brimaz
4 Battlefield Thaumaturge
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos

Spells (17)
4 Glimpse the Sun God
4 Launch the Fleet
2 Gods Willing
4 Hidden Strings
2 Banishing Light
1 Spear of Heliod

Lands (22)
2 Mutavault
4 Temple of Enlightenment
4 Hallowed Fountain
1 Mana Confluence
1 Island
10 Plains
[/deck]

The basic strategy is to amass a swarm of tokens, then land a Thaumaturge and cast Launch the Fleet and/or Glimpse the Sun God for a huge alpha strike. The blue splash is only for Thaumaturge and Hidden Strings. The big difference between this strategy and Brave the Elements is that the latter does not target creatures and it tends to get clunky in multiples. Launch the Fleet
on the other hand can be cast early to develop an overwhelming board state even without a Thaumaturge on the field.

Competitive? Probably not. But super fun to pilot I'm sure.

Oh, and Curse of the Swine.

I could make something happen with Battlefield Thaumaturge. Glimpse the Sun God and Gridlock are the most attractive inclusions.

Indeed. That's a rather blanket statement anyway. That's like saying "I think GR Monsters offers more than Uw Devotion does right now." They're two completely different philosophies.

I much prefer Josh's list to CVM's, but I could be biased because it looks closest to mine. He's giving up Mogis's Warhound for Spike Jester (which seems reasonable) and Rakdos Cackler for Master of the Feast (which seems terrible).

I like that we almost exactly agree on the spell suite too.

So far I love the look of the aggro list, I'd quesiton whether or not I'd want 12 one drops, but i'd have to do more investigation to figure out the replacements

The best thing about it is that you have 12 conditional one-drops. Gnarled Scarhide is both a one and four drop, plus with the scrylands you will oftentimes want multiple one drops in your hand.

The BR deck looks VERY good to me. I imagine you want the full four City of Ass though. The mana was shaky on that deck. I'd also love to see Exava get her due. Anyway to squeeze them in? Spike Jester would also be viable if running 4x city I think.

I think Exava is great but I'm not sure what the cuts would be. Again, you already
have a plethora of four and five drops in your bestow creatures and many of them will just win the game via voltron anyway. Exava may just be superfluous.

The deck runs 11 red sources which I think is best because you don't really care about curving into red until turn three at the earliest. You won't typically be casting your removal until turn three or four. What I fear with more than two Mana Confluence is drawing into multiples early and losing TONS of life over a few turns. That makes your matchups against other aggro decks much worse, especially the red ones.

That block constructed list looks good too, although I don't like Forgeborn Oreads. I wonder if this could work?

[deck]Creatures (28)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Satyr Hoplite
4 Nyxborn Rollicker
4 Akroan Crusader
4 Everflame Eidolon
4 Arena Athlete
4 Mogis's Warhound

Spells (14)
4 Dragon Mantle
4 Lightning Strike
3 Searing Blood
4 Titan's Strength
3 Coordinated Assault

Lands (18)
18 Mountain[/deck][/
quote]

Well first of all your spell count is off. You're actually running 18 spells, so 64 cards total.

Ignoring that, it could be okay, but I like builds with 20+ land to reduce mulligans, and that's what makes my build so powerful. We're both running Everflame Eidolon, Dragon Mantle, and Firedrinker Satyr which love to feed on extra Mountains so flooding isn't as bad as it is in other red decks. I had a singleton Hammer of Purphoros in the deck but there's a tension between sacrificing your lands and pumping your firebreathers.

Forgeborn Oreads could be too cute, but it has a respectable power level and you're running 22 enchantments to trigger it. It can get out of hand pretty quickly if you bestow it, too.

It could be that 20 land with some other spells is the best configuration.

Would be a bit too hard on the mana. You could complete the playset of Mana Confluence but between Thoughtseize, Pain Seer, and Herald of Torment, you'd be asking for trouble.

I'm starting this thread to collect the decks I brew as the JOU spoilers are released. Some will be pure Spike decks meant for competitive play, while others will cater to my inner Johnny, so the quality between the decks will vary greatly. Just keep that in mind when you see a strong deck followed by a janky FNM-quality brew.

[deck]BR Aggro[/deck]

The key consideration here is Spike Jester vs Mogis's Warhound. The former requires a heavier investment into Mana Confluence due to wanting a red source sooner while the latter synergies nicely with Pain Seer and Tormented
Hero. Spike Jester may be correct because one drop into Jester can just win games on its own.

[deck]UB Control[/deck]

Here we have a deck with no nonland permanents besides Dictate of Kruphix, Elixir, and Aetherling. This allows us to play almost completely on our opponents turn which UW and Esper cannot do as reliably due to Supreme Verdict, Detention Sphere, and planeswalkers. UB does not have access to a board wipe except for the six mana black card recently spoiled, but that is probably not where the deck wants to be. Cyclonic Rift serves this purpose as it is not dead in any matchup and is a nice compliment to Dictate of Kruphix since our opponent is likely to have a full
hand due to the extra cards drawn. If we overload a Rift at their EOT they'll have to discard the extras, giving us a massive card advantage. Warped Physique also becomes a reliable removal spell due to the presence of Dictate of Kruphix. No longer will it be an underwhelming top deck when our hand is low on spells, and it can serve as a reliable god killer if our opponent's devotion is high. The deck's wincon is obviously Aetherling, but there is an alternate wincon in decking our opponent. This was an alternate strategy for UW but was extremely slow and often led to them drawing in a matchup. Dictate of Kruphix speeds this process up tremendously.

[deck=Red Enchantments Win (Block Constructed)]
Creatures (27)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Satyr Hoplite
3 Nyxborn Rollicker
4 Everflame Eidolon
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Mogis's Warhound
4 Forgeborn Oreads

Spells (11)
3 Dragon Mantle
4 Lightning Strike
4 Searing Blood

Lands (22)
22 Mountain
[/deck]

Classical RDW shell with an
enchantment theme. With so many firebreathing spells the deck almost wants to flood out. Running 22 land means fewer mulligans and the ability to run a slightly higher curve. Forgeborn Oreads may be too cute but is worth testing with all the enchantments in the deck. Purphoros, God of the Forge could be a potential card to add to the deck.

[deck=Wu Soldiers (FNM special)]
Creatures (21)
4 Favored Hoplite
3 Soldier of the Pantheon
4 Precinct Captain
4 Vanguard of Brimaz
4 Battlefield Thaumaturge
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos

Spells (17)
4 Glimpse the Sun God
4 Launch the Fleet
2 Gods Willing
4 Hidden Strings
2 Banishing Light
1 Spear of Heliod

Lands (22)
2 Mutavault
4 Temple of Enlightenment
4 Hallowed Fountain
1 Mana Confluence
1 Island
10 Plains
[/deck]

The basic strategy is to amass a swarm of tokens, then land a Thaumaturge and cast Launch the Fleet and/or Glimpse the Sun God for a huge alpha strike. The blue splash is only for Thaumaturge and
Hidden Strings. The big difference between this strategy and Brave the Elements is that the latter does not target creatures and it tends to get clunky in multiples. Launch the Fleet on the other hand can be cast early to develop an overwhelming board state even without a Thaumaturge on the field.

Competitive? Probably not. But super fun to pilot I'm sure.

[deck]GW Enchantments[/deck]

A light white splash for Banishing Light, Selesnya Charm, and a singleton Karametra in the main. Karametra may seem underwhelming but is deceptively powerful. This deck will often have devotion and even when it doesn't Karametra has an
interesting interaction with Courser of Kruphix and Eidolon of Blossoms. If you've already played your land off the top for the turn and reveal another land (and don't want to draw it), you can cast a creature, put the land into play from the Karametra trigger, then use the trigger from Eidolon of Blossoms to draw from a freshly shuffled deck.