Dies to Removal

Red:

Hypothetical time. If I was up for lynching, what would a town flip from me tell you about raspy? You've highlighted a very suspicious looking exchange, so I'm curious how you interpret it if I'm town.

Operating under the assumption that a mislynch gives us more information than a no-lynch, I'm willing to take the noose instead. There's been so much back-and-forth on my wagon that it should be useful for something come day 2.

Would my town flip tell you anything unexpected about other players here?

Given that you've put me on L-1 and you're vote is still on me,
shouldn't it be about time for you to discuss my being scum rather than ask me what kind of informations I would dig from your corpse?
Because, I have to remind you, scum doesn't need to lynch for info - if you're asking what kind of data I'm expecting to scavenge from you, you're labeling me as town, and that doesn't make much sense from somebody who was willing to lynch me for not being town.

I should have done this when I first wanted to, when Red first posted this.

unvote

I saw this as really townie. I don't know if he's necessarily correct in what he says, but I saw the motivation as townie as hell, putting him closer to null overall.

I'm in and out today. To do list: Answer Pie's questions and iso LMD.

So, from what I gather, Ham, Pie and maybe raspy and red would be willing to vote LMD. Can we make this happen?

I'll need to re-read LMD before I'm comfortable voting him. I can do that tomorrow.

@Pie: your vote is on me. Any questions for me?

I see what you're trying to do with that case, Red, but you're highlighting some pretty normal day 1 behavior. My interactions with Ham were simply my way of trying to clear him out of my "likely scum" pile. He's played this way in games where he was town before, so I wasn't very confident about his wagon. I was prodding him to do more so I (and all of us) could move on to a more productive wagon.

Fair enough, but these posts are NOT interaction with ham, and I'd like to hear something better from you about them:

so I count 4 votes on Ham? Is that correct? Mine was RVS but I'll keep it until Ham posts something town-ish.

Wraith, why is Ham hard to read? What posts are troubling you?

Why are you so troubled about what people thinks of him?

These posts seem pretty self-evident, Red. Why are you fishing so hard?

I wanted to foster more discussion. More discussion leads to better reads.

I see what you're trying to do with that case, Red, but you're highlighting some pretty normal day 1 behavior. My interactions with Ham were simply my way of trying to clear him out of my "likely scum" pile. He's played this way in games where he was town before, so I wasn't very confident about his wagon. I was prodding him to do more so I (and all of us) could move on to a more productive wagon.

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=224227#p224227:aabi2pk5]rezombad » Tue May 06, 2014 3:26 pm[/url:aabi2pk5]":aabi2pk5][quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=224218#p224218:aabi2pk5]rcwraspy » Tue May 06, 2014 1:17 pm[/url:aabi2pk5]":aabi2pk5][quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=224206#p224206:aabi2pk5]rezombad » Tue May 06, 2014 3:00 pm[/url:aabi2pk5]":aabi2pk5]If you're not willing to lynch red or lmd, and you're not willing to make a compelling case against someone, you are voting no lynch.[/quote:aabi2pk5]
There's a wagon on you too.[/quote:aabi2pk5]
No there isn't.[/quote:aabi2pk5]
LMD and Imopen have their votes on you right now and others have expressed interest in voting you or looking more deeply at your posts. That sounds like a wagon to me.

Can we just lynch Rez and see what happens?

I'm coming around to the idea but I still have red as a stronger scum read right now. I want to see that wagon through first.

If you're not willing to lynch red or lmd, and you're not willing to make a compelling case against someone, you are voting no lynch.

Well, there's another option. There's a wagon on you too.

holy diarrhea posts, rednihilist.

If you'd been this active all game I'd read these successive posts as town motivated. But you haven't been active, and now that the noose is almost around your neck you're getting really defensive. That's scum behavior, so my vote stays.

raspy, are you scum with ham?

No.

Checking in just to say I have a c final tonight but will be back tomorrow.

Am I reading this right?

nope.

care to enlighten me, then?

Why is Rez pushing LMD so hard? I get the vibe he is defending Red by saying we should vote LMD instead. Not sure about that, but he is very focused in his read of what....I am not sure. This will be something to watch.

While your read on me is legit (and wrong), mixing it up with the Rez - LMD feud makes no sense at all.
Give me a good reason for NOT thinking you're the one moving attention away from LMD.

Unvote
Vote LMD

Am I reading this right?

Wraith: Rez is buddying
Red: OMGUS you're buddying, so I'll vote your buddy

nEverybody needs to vote red now.

After a reread, I REALLY don't like the wagon on Red. One innocuous comment has gotten him piled on. Looking at his wagon, I can assume that Wraith saw that one comment and his detective skills kicked in and he's latched on to that read. My two favorite suspects on his wagon are rcw and inflatablepie. I'd like to see the pressure applied to RCW.

vote rcw

ask me whatever you want, but we have an active wagon and a deadline. You better have damned good reasons to derail.

I guess it's claim o'clock.

You didn't.

vote rednihilist

I didn't *what*?

lol.

In my full post I quoted imopen first, and said his post put him as "likely town" for me. Then I quoted you and said that your post did not put you as likely town for me.

I would support a red lynch if I didn't feel so strongly that Rez was scum. (Also, I often think red is scum and then he isn't. We have to keep in mind that English isn't his native language and he is somewhat new so he seems to "slip" a lot)

Right now my lynch order would be:

Rez
Pie
Red

I don't have pie on my scum list right now. Care to explain your thoughts on him?

I don't think you should claim until the people on your wagon make up some more reasonable excuses for lynching you.

Lynching LMD because you're too lazy to scum hunt is piss poor. There are a lot of lurkers in this game, and some of them are asking for claims

You just made my very likely town list.

I guess it's claim o'clock.

You didn't.

vote rednihilist

Sorry for the absence, been crazy with finals coming up but I'm keeping up with the thread.

Prodded. Sorry for the absence been a weird week. Will reread and hopefully find scum later tonight.

@Red, do you still like your vote on Jack? Why or why not?

just wanted to pop in and let people know I've had a busy couple days and will be busy again Saturday. Will likely be able to post more Sunday.

Has the Ham wagon fallen out of favor for most folks? I can see it being town on town.

My current thoughts are that Rez is either town or taking a huge risk if he's scum. Why would scum come out so hard day 1 and push a case like this? Day 1 scum usually like to lie as low as possible. So rez is either town who caught a scent (whether he's right or wrong) or scum doing a lot to act town, which is risky.

However, if I think Rez is town that doesn't automatically mean Ham is scum. Rez can be wrong. But Ham REALLY has not been helping his case.

That said, Wraith and Pie seem townie to me so far, and neither of them like Rez's case.

@Ham: please do more to prove you're town or I'm re-voting you.

Good morning fellows. I've been reading along over the weekend, looking forward to what rez has to say about Jack. Any requests or questions for me?

Why are you sitting back waiting for people to ask you questions instead of asking other people questions?

It's like you've adopted the position of prey. Town are supposed to be HUNTERS!!!

unvote
Vote Jack

I'll answer questions and respond to things in a bit.

talk to me, Rez. Convince me.

@rcw: why unvote without replacing your vote?

Like I told CP, I don't have strong reads right now.

Although I understand its use, I'm not one to blind-vote outside of RVS - I typically want a little more to go on.

What do you think was random?

imopen2 and LMD, what are your thoughts so far? Any reads?

i think that's a sign of how little there is to go on so far

oddly if you weren't mod-confirmed you'd be my strongest scum read.

Bluh.

-Can I kill hamfactorial and InflatablePie?

I've read the thread like 4 times trying to find this quote. I thought Rez said it.

CP, what do you see in Pie?

Should have prefaced: do you still stand by those reads?

Ham is scum
LMD is scum

CM is town
imopen is town

What did you see from LMD? Why is imopen town?

@rcwraspy

Interesting that you unvoted immediately after I complained about everyone being too passive.

-Based on recent posts so far, who do you want to lynch today, and why?

If you don't have any real scumreads, you should ask someone a question.

I don't have any strong reads yet. But I'm not going to keep my vote on Ham even though I no longer think he's the top scumspect just because of your passive post.

Rez has done the most to garner attention so far, and I have a question for him in my next post.

Ham's meta is that he either lurks hardcore or comes out gunning with sarcasm. The hardcore lurking is more of a tell of his scum game.

Which means that answering your question makes me

unvote

damnit rez let Wraith answer first.

also, why aren't you playing in SCG Dallas?

Wraith, why is Ham hard to read? What posts are troubling you?

so I count 4 votes on Ham? Is that correct? Mine was RVS but I'll keep it until Ham posts something town-ish.

haha so are you going to try to be as useless as possible