Dies to Removal

Was gonna play second gameday with some tweaks to big red...then was given Queer Porn FilM Fest tickets for birthday by the wife and instead spent my day hanging out with indie & queerion porn performers and apparently after a couple drinks financing a new production studio. Stoya is hilarious when drinking. look at me namedropping like im LP...

1-3 with big red splash black. From my notes the losses were due to my technical play as the deck itself performed well. lost to Jund goodstuff, esper control, jeskai ascendancy. Beat rg dragons. Eidolon did more work than i expected, but dont know if right with only 9 safety oN this end. Cut to two or even full out. Many times i needed md price to hit multi creatures, possibly foul tongues? Drop too many games to Ojutai. All in all, feel good with potential, will keep trying to tune and read lines better.

[deck]Big Rakdos named just to rile up Kait[/deck]

With only a single 5 drop I cut the swamp in the board and the price for the two Commands, with only a single 5 drop I don't think the 25th land is as needed, however if the mana goes wonky in testing I would cut a removal spell to add teh swamp back in.

I opted for SBD here as the miser, but I think Sarkie may be the better call. I didn't opt for Kolaghan because I don't think 60% of the time he'll be pumping more than himself, so I'd want the option to hit a 7/7 prowhite dragon here. Sarkhan seems good here to because he gives you another roast, becomes a pseudo SBD and can generate CA if the game goes really long. Both SBD and Sark dodge a lot of the removal that will take out the Regents, so I think it comes down to what colors you expect to face the most. SBD dodges all the white but can still be picked off in combat vs Sark who can be exiled but can't be hit in combat and may soak a life or two that gives the winning edge.

Thoughts?

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I'm not sure I want to know the answer to that question.

Really like the look of that list but as its been said thought the removal package mb and the sb could use some tweaks. Thinking of this for gameday if I can get the missing rabbles:

[deck]Big Red Little Black[/deck]

Shaved a rabble and eidolon for more removal
Cut spears for Siege for the draw potential in the longer games
Changed up removal package in board to add more versatility

Yeah, I expected as much after playing a couple cockatrice games this morning. A dragonrage stuck in hand after a blight is not equal to a skullcrack. Its amazing when it goes off but after jamming it this morning, feels very much like you guys say, winmore card.

Khaos and the terrible horrible no-good internet: A story of fire.

I've been dicking around with Dragonrage over Atarka's Command just to see if the consistency is there after a testing buddy mentioned it. Trade the skullcrack topside for Stonewrighting everyone after blockers and painfree manabase.

Its been showing better results than I thought as turn 3 or 4 play. Curving in to it is closing out more games due to pushing the extra damage for burn range. Anyone else messing around with this or just something sitting on the fringes?

Has anyone seen this mythical creature of a Jeskai Dragon deck? Is the flock led by Otujai?

Dropped the finance round up of Day One over in trading:
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From looking at the PT coverage, Abzan control looks to the deck to beat? Seem to be the most 5-0 decks

[deck]RG Aggregate[/deck]

Feasibility? Don't have time to playtest so using MATHS! Uses modified aggregate formula to pull a deck by analyzing other top finishing deck lists.

How are our various red combinations looking either in play, or in the wake of PT?

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I really wish that was one of you guys.

@windstrider - have you tested that list vs any of the standard gauntlet? I was dicking around with something similar but with just the regents it felt too slow. Wondering how a suite of 10 fliers fares because hornet nest does not have reach. . .

That would be the smartest and If I had the cards, I'd be playing either Abzan Aggro or Jeskai Burn but still trying to trade away non standard stuff for the pieces. With Mono red finishing well in both the invitational and opens, it may just be best bet to continue grinding it instead of trying to change decks for one event. . .

Im stuck trying to figure out which deck may be my best option for states based on the SCG NYC open results and invitational.

I have the most experience playing Red aggro and currently running a modified Braverman list, while assembling the BW Warriors that LP posted because it has a lot of non interactivity. But the Abzan aggro list looks hard to beat with either of those and looks well positioned against a lot of the field.

And now there's this list which looks good enough to put up results without a lot of people being prepared for it.

Hows the performance via the Abzan flavors?

This is relevant to many of us



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@Maverick, if you are on the PT spec plan, QuietSpeculation account stuff is in the trading forum, helps to get an edge.

@LP, TBuzz: As a Red grinder that favors aggro, that Abzan aggro list looks disgusting as hell and enticing as an aggro player. It has me wanting to break my rule of getting value by grinding a deck instead of switching every two weeks. To beat that deck I'd have to be playing the control role which the current Braverman styled lists aren't favored for. The only attack vector that jumps out is to attempt to capitalize on mana stumbling but that seems shaky at best. Pound for pound your creatures are better and you have access to some good manasinks in Warden and Deathdealer, and this aggro deck easily lasts past turn 6 with the growing creatures.
How would you attack this deck in Red? I'm thinking that its doubling down on control role g2/3 by swapping the low end creatures for Outpost Siege, Twinbolt, Arc Lightning, Searing Blood, but the access to the PWs still seems difficult to get around.

Stuck now in States choice between Red Aggro, BW Warriors or trying to get this list together...

Trying to decide if mono red or BW Warriors is a better call for states. Based on the open what are you guys expecting the meta to be?

@maverick I too play Sorcories in my decks

Lol yep. I do a bunch of testing at FNM and effectively use it as testing as the skill and tier levels vary between kitchen table and PT players. I think I play more rounds outside of FNM testing than I do during the actual event. Trying to convince some of the crew to drive to SCG NYC right now. . .

Also, anyone prepping for SCG States next week? Im thinking of hitting MD.

Decided to stop dicking around with my brewing decks and ran a modified RDW from the Invitational. Went 2-1 after getting fringed with RUG Assault Formation R1 and miscalling beatdown role. Getting hit with a flying wall for 10 off temur battlerage is very tilt inducing.

Other games proved power of multiple Foundry dash or Heelcutter dash. Created some dead Plagues bringing out fodders and outbursts for Siege, Arc, Vaultbreaker, land.

Got to live the dream of Foundry, Foundry + Foundry, Fodder + Beserker.

First pass had just straight 25 mountains, Crucible was a guess for a good non creature mana sink and get Monstorous on Stormie. Think its reaching a bit too much?

25 lands for the 67% t4 and the 51% t5, was debating cutting to go to 26 for the 71/56% split. Have a 26th land in the protoside for moving into heavier burn & big dudes.

Generator was something I was looking at as a way to bring the 3cmc+ creatures in earlier but, had it as a 2/2 split, but think it may be good to cut all together with only 10 targets. 4th Whisperer would most likely be more consistent in dealing damage.

-1 slash -1 Claws +2 roast feels stronger.

[deck]Seldgedragon Side[/deck]

Tinkering with this revival as well - thoughts on feasability in the current meta from people who've jammed more games than me?

[deck]Sledgedragon[/deck]

More mana sinks would be nice, but think this one has a good number for efficiency.

By traction I mean is it something that gets planned around in sequencing, or is the VCA mode chosen 80% of the time?

The reason I ask is I'm having an issue closing out games where an opponent gets to stabilize after getting them down to 5-2 life. So I'm looking at ways to try and find legs for Mono Red, which I've gone back to after testing Atakra's Command that wasn't doing enough to justify the manabase changes.

Here's my current list that I'm looking to twist around:

[deck]Week 1 Aggro[/deck]

Planning on pulling the commands and a fodder, but trying to figure out what to put in instead. Lots of control in my meta, Esper & Abzan, so a fair number of Rams.

Has anyone gotten any traction with Outpost Siege with dashing?

One of the reasons Im trying to find a good standard gauntlet list, cuz my LGS is promoting some for new store expansion

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I believe he was hinting toward Cock Magic.

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LP, that warriors deck is exactly what I was trying to make work with using Brutal Hellrider to bring back that awesome deck. Was trying to hard to keep mono black and missed the strong aggro deck on the warrior tribal line.

BW warriors just crushed 2 local block tourneys so it looks like its got some future power.

The access to answers in the sideboard feels huge and adaptable to many a meta.

When building the side anything to watch out for? Thinking more seize, some cut or other form of pinpoint removal, token kills, white exile effects. Elspeth feels counter intuitive here.

[deck]Grixis Giggles[/deck]

Insert more looter effects and whatever instant or sorcery you want to cast over and over and over and over again. Ignores timing restrictions on sorceries Can also jump you WAY above the power curve if you want to go that route as well.

For those who've been grinding standard, whats in your gauntlet?

Do we have any decks we have more faith in than others or are we running a diverse red set? I'm on mono red aggro that goes to -4 fodder -4 hordeling +4 regents +4 sieges, but not sure if staying there is a good option as it lacks a way to recover if games start to stretch past t6.

@thrillho - lots and often lol Totally a Magical Christmasland deck right now. Don't think this one will ever leave the backburner without another RW land or a way to keep it alive until all the pieces are assembled, and even then it looks to be too much for too little.

The Grixis Alesha + Living Lore combo seems much more consistent and useful.

@Jamie-I've been looking at Tabletop Simulator to not have to worry about existing rulesets or anything for online sessions:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/286160/
Did you guys test a completed prototype or did you test things in stages as the game got more and more developed?

Are you finding Dash strong enough on its own? I was having a hard time finding enough upside of a disappearing board without using ETB triggers. Which ended me up here:

[deck]Red Bonds[/deck]

Pay W for 2/2 flier on dashing. When all pieces on line, pay RW to create a 2/2 flier and deal 3 damage.

Its my pet deck right now as I see if its gonna work at all, seems very greedy. Still have 9 slots.

That trailer made me feel the same feelings as watching the original back in the day. Midniting that one definitely.

Been playing around with this after doing a sealed with double chiefs:

[deck=Hellrider's Ghost]
4 Bloodstained Mire
14 Mountain
1 Swamp
1 Temple of Malice

4 Zurgo Bellstriker
2 Monastery Swiftspear
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Lightning Berserker
4 Ire Shaman
4 Dragon Whisperer
4 Brutal Hordechief

4 Lightning Strike
4 Searing Blood
4 Wild Slash

Sideboard:
1 Outpost Siege
1 Arc Lightning
1 Dragon Fodder
1 Hordeling Outburst
1 Twin bolt
1 Roast
[/deck]

Trying to find a manasink that's as useful as Crucible was. Monkeying with FDS vs Swiftspear.

The dream:
0 - Zurgo - 1mana
3 - Zurgo Swif - 1mana
6 - Zurgo Swift Morph -3mana
12 - Zurgo Swift Ire -1mana
21 - Zurgo Swift Ire Chief -4mana

With the mana breaks, other cards can fill along the progression to either push damage via burn, remove blockers to keep Ire on, or to dash to keep dudes in hand for the wipe, primarily a t5 dash bersker into an post wipe empty board. In the longer game a resolved chief can break stalemates, and with 6 sources of B I think one should appear before turn 4, otherwise some mountains can be confluences.

I think the original version is more powerful than the ghost due to Zealot and Wolf, but this may have some sort of legs still.

Kait is right. Dumb move and rehash of an old Bash.org snippet anyway.

That list looks good. From my brewing I don't see a good attack angle as the deck has a curve that starts having answers earlier than the Abzan decks I've faced so far. Maybe force to make them choose between developing boardstate or protecting life? I would have to be on the burn plan against it g2 as its very anti creature focused, but the courser rhino lion package makes that seem very risky.

Which list is that? Have a link for us returning players lured back in with the promise of big red dragons flying around?