Dies to Removal

RedNihilist

Sounds fair.

RedNihilist

Good luck with that.

RedNihilist

PM sent

RedNihilist

FFS somebody's got to hammer Slowpoke before the end of the day.

RedNihilist

(not that I expect him to say something different from the last time)

RedNihilist

Vote Slowpoke
Claimrange it is.

RedNihilist

Slowpoke's "I changed my mind at the last minute - too bad, I haven't got any info" is really smelly.

I want to address the fact that Zem and Scumbag promised to come up with a list and still haven't, though.
What do we make of that?

RedNihilist

I've got to say I'm thankful it happened.
Still, no scumbag.

RedNihilist

Hi James, how is your T/S list coming?

RedNihilist

I didn't feel like you were scum, and I really feel like the day kill is wasted.
Still, I'm curious to see how this turns out.

RedNihilist

RedNihilist

What a pain.

Scumbag, we're still waiting for your list.

@Zem: mind to provide us with one as well?

RedNihilist

I don't know, maybe some flavor.
"You're JohnHolmes666, porn dealer" or so.

I didn't want to sound that aggressive, though, yet I was wondering what were you trying to do.

RedNihilist

Another day without Scumbag and Wheatums.
/yawn

Rezombad: are you trying to breadcrumb really hard or do you just like to make this thread NSFW?

RedNihilist

Also: Unvote

RedNihilist

Nope, this is just a misunderstanding: you asked me how I reached my previous conclusion (why I thought that Kaze was the target scum primarily intended to kill).

In fact, I think that your hypothesis might be correct, with a Vig targeting Kaze and the scum Strongmanning + NKing Stardust.

RedNihilist

Well, If I'm not mistaken he has yet to notice day 2 has started.
Also, has Scumbag died from boredom while reading through Day 1?

RedNihilist

Are you calling me paranoid? :0
No, I'm saying that the Nanny role is called Paranoid in non-EpicMafia places.

I didn't *actually* expect a Nanny role to really exist...

To be more clear: Iso defending Void like the latter couldn't not defend himself doesn't really rub me in the right way.
Void is town. Pushing scrutiny his way is distracting at best and anti-town at worst.

Well then, maybe I'm just biased, let's stop thinking about him for a while.

Any news from W_G?

RedNihilist

Count on TubeHunter?

RedNihilist

I'm not sold on Slowpoke being town.
I guess the scum had already decided to ban Kaze, so imopen could have just decided to claim as scum one of his fellow as well in order to justify your mental process.

In fact I'wouldn't even be surprised with YOU being scum and trying to brush him off.
Please tell me the logic you used to arrive at this possible conclusion? Because, the way I see it, Kaze was the victim of either a Vig or Mafia NK and and Stardust was the victim of a Tough Guy/Strongman ability. At a further possibility is that we have 3 killing
roles during the Night meaning the likely shot Kaze, another killing role targeted Stardust along with the Mafia NK.

Vote:TubeHunter

He might have done nothing last Night, but does not clear him as Town. I'm surprised so many are going away form him.

I SERIOUSLY hope scum doesn't have a triple kill ability, I just guessed that Kaze was standard-NKed and Stardust was set up in some other way, he may have been targeted by an insane doctor for example.

RedNihilist

To be more clear: Iso defending Void like the latter couldn't not defend himself doesn't really rub me in the right way.
I still dont understand the post i quoted.

Dude, trust me on the fact that if you were italian and trying to speak english it would have made sense. My bad.

RedNihilist

To be more clear: Iso defending Void like the latter couldn't not defend himself doesn't really rub me in the right way.

RedNihilist

I wanted some life from Void (technically speaking, I still do), but Iso shrugging that off because "Just trust me" set me on a negative mood.

RedNihilist

Are you calling me paranoid? :0

RedNihilist

I'll go search if there's a Nanny role on MafiaScum.net.

RedNihilist

I want some pressure on Void.
vote Void

It's nice to see that only a few of the remaining players are still posting.
That's really nice for scum.

RedNihilist

I'm not sold on Slowpoke being town.
I guess the scum had already decided to ban Kaze, so imopen could have just decided to claim as scum one of his fellow as well in order to justify your mental process.

In fact I'wouldn't even be surprised with YOU being scum and trying to brush him off.

RedNihilist

i.e. a Governor?

RedNihilist

Seriously guys, is Yanni even alive?

RedNihilist

Should we just hammer TubeHunter at this point?

RedNihilist

Not sure on TubeHunter, but I like the line of play.

Unvote
Vote: imopen2

RedNihilist

vote Slowpoke

I feel like it's time to put some pressure on him - that should bring the guy to L-3 if I'm still able to count properly.

RedNihilist

@Everyone but Stardust and rezombad: Does the aforementioned exchange sound like Town v. Town, Town v. Scum, or Scumbussing and why?
I don't like rezombad answers at all, it seems like we've got some scum panicking here.
I also can't come up with a good reason to read this as bussing, I don't think mafia would gain anything from a sacrifice at this point of the game.[/
quote]

I disagree 100% with this evaluation. If one scum is playing poorly, the other scum will definitely attempt to bus them in order to create distance. Keep your eyes open
I like the way you disagree.
I'll think about it.

RedNihilist

@Everyone but Stardust and rezombad: Does the aforementioned exchange sound like Town v. Town, Town v. Scum, or Scumbussing and why?

I don't like rezombad answers at all, it seems like we've got some scum panicking here.
I also can't come up with a good reason to read this as bussing, I don't think mafia would gain anything from a sacrifice at this point of the game.

RedNihilist

- Why is Void scum, exactly? It sounds like you just don't like his playstyle. Is that alignment indicative?
I think I've tried my best to avoid reads based on my likings of the subject's playstyle (ref: Stardust), but Void's behaviour strikes me bad on multiple levels.
I've also tried to ask you an opinion on the matter in a previous post (without explicitly saying his name, though), if I remember correctly.[/
quote]
Could you restate the question you wanted my opinion on? I must have missed it.
I was referring to this post:

Welcome Tubehunter, tell us something.
Sup, lurker?
I was wondering... you're quite experienced at this mafia-thing here, and we pretty much know each other since forever and shit, so I think I can ask you this question without being misunderstood:
I'll never be able to be as aggressive as you have been in other games, yet I find very
difficult to call people scum without having good reads on them because, you know, I just feel bad.

I guess that's not a good thing, because it prevents me from contributing.
At the same time, I see people being very active without ever following up with any *real* content, except some "will post later" here and there - what's your opinion on that?
I'd like to clarify that with "active" I meant something more like "aggressive" than "posting often".

RedNihilist

- How is activity/serious demeanor a towntell?

I'd expect a scum player to hide his activity and/or try to befriend townies in order to pull their asses around; I feel like I can trust a player who manages to be active AND puts pressure on everyone indiscriminately, for the moment.

- What of cursed_pride's posts are you empathetic with?

Remember me to answer to this more in detail later, I can't really dig them up at the moment.

- Why are you hardcore buddying Stardust and not giving any real read on him?

I like the way he plays. I've got burnt by trusting him in KNM.
I've got no read on him, but just skipping him from the list altogether would have been way worse, I guess.

- What is "fair" about Iso's play?

That's just an impression of mine.

- "He acts like he was the game to be played 'properly'." Explain to me what this means, please.

Have you ever heard of a game called Go / Igo / Baduk / Wei'qi?
You'd find lots of players who care a lot about properly sequencing plays and
keeping a good shape.
CM gives me this kind of feeling, but I don't know if that is just him being ObCom or some kind of scummy excuse to try to control the flow of the game.

- Why the "negative vibes from imopen?

Gut feeling.

- Why is "too much effort" a scumtell?

We're still talking of imopen, right? I just feel like he's pushed too hard your wagon without having good arguments to do so.
Also, I think I've stated that it struck me in the wrong way, but I'm not labeling as scum, so I don't really get what you're trying to get at here.

- You claim rezombad is scummy for "disappearing." Didn't you just say "too much effort" is scummy...? What is up?

Before disappearing he did push your wagon, though... then he's lost interest.
Just tell me I'm the only one around feeling suspicious about such an uneven effort distribution by his part.

- Why is Void scum, exactly? It sounds like you just don't like his playstyle. Is that alignment indicative?

I think I've tried my best to avoid reads based on my likings of the subject's playstyle (ref: Stardust), but Void's behaviour strikes me bad on multiple levels.
I've also tried to ask you an opinion on the matter in a previous post (without explicitly saying his name, though), if I
remember correctly.

RedNihilist

Going to office (it's 8.36 CET), I'll answer later.
Feel free to add anything.

RedNihilist

As per request:

Kaze

He's very active and taking everything as serious business.
Town vibes from him.

Cursed_Pride

I like his attitude, and I often found myself "emphatic" with his posts.
Leaning town.

Stardust

I'm always pleased to see you play, even after the way you cheated me in KNM.
Keep up with the good work.
Null tell.

Iso

He went for an early gamble about his formatting skills (he did so even in KN, if I remember correctly - does he ALWAYS come up with things like that?), then behaved in a fair way imho.
Null, but wanting him to be town.

Tubehunter - Suga

Suga was really, really, REALLY demotivated, imho, so I don't feel like being suspicious about his lack of posting because he was probably not really active for non-game related issues.
I feel like TubeHunter is not really applying for somebody who's trying to catch up, though.
Null tell.

Captain Murphy

nHe acts like he was the game to be played "properly".
That can be a good thing like not, but I quite like the thing.
He also says that flavor-claiming could be a bad thing because scum players might have been provided with false claims; now, I don't know how common is such practice, but while being against mass-claiming, I don't like this mental process too much - there's a voice in my head saying that scum players could just have NOT being provided false-flavor, forcing them to come up with some random excuse in order to avoid being forced to come up with some risky, false-flavor of their own.
I feel like that's not a strong read at all, so I'll just keep him in the null zone while keeping an eye on him.

imopen2

I've got negative vibes from him, and I seriously think that he's put too much effort in his case against Kaze.
Yet, I also feel like he may just have felt frustrated for how things where going, so I don't want to place him in the scum-bin for now.

Wheat_Grinder

nNo reads.
Feels very dodgy, I don't like it that much onestly.

Rezombad

He basically pushed Kaze's cart, then disappeared.
Leaning scum.

Void

He comes in, says things like "CM is scum" without any kind of further reasoning, then adds "Will post later" and disappears.
Over and over.
Maybe that's just his style, but I don't like it that much and it doesn't even seem to be working.
What is he trying to achieve?
Leaning scum.

Slowpoke

He his accustomed to taking actions without motivating them because "You're not getting free reads that easy" (sic).
I feel like that keeping his motives hidden like that is very untownie.

RedNihilist

Okay Red, time to give us some content. You're pushing other people to contribute when you've given next to nothing yourself. I was happy to give you a Day 1 pass until now, but I think you'd better throw down a town/scum list with some general thoughts at least. If half the players are null because you have no read, that's fine, just do something yourself before pushing others for doing the same.

I'll post your list before going to bed.
In the meanwhile I'd like to hear your takes on those two guys, if you don't mind.

RedNihilist

Also: rezombad has been VERY active between the 26th and the 29th of October, then went on a non-explicit hiatus until the 2nd of November when he posted he would catch up on the following day.
I've yet to read the aforementioned post.

Is everything ok with him?

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