Dies to Removal

It didn't.

Also, always kill Iso.

/barn

I fear my last post doesn't even make any sense.

I've got a lot of limits.
I'm very slow AND I'm always in fear of overcommitting because I've got this tendency of slipping out of linguage barriers and even timezone barriers as I've demonstrated in this game.
Also, this time I was willing to let scum consider me an easy target for a mislynch because I thought that claiming would have saved me, but I failed marvelously so whatevs.

GG.
The setup was good, though.
We townies messed up many times, nothing much else to say.

Also, thanks Pie.

Dude, I'm not attacking you as a player. It's a game - if you don't want to be lynched, play better.

I *sincerely* think I'm a subpar player, I'm haven't got anything against your person.

Whatever, I'm sorry I'm such a subpar player.
At the moment CM is the only player I *really* feel I can trust as town, so I'm saving him if Stardust lets me to.

Way to go, I was the governor.

(That said, I'll do my scan of Red posts after I sleep. Ciao for now.)

Goodnight.
Let me know when you're back so we can restart our little chat.

Oh, sorry, let me just quit my fucking job so I can answer your questions at any given time. Get over yourself.

Sorry, I didn't think your shift is 12 hours long.

So, firstly, you should know full well that I'm not ganking you for one single post. To suggest such is asinine and shows that you're not intent on figuring out the game, but rather, that you just want to discredit your wagon and misrep those that are on it.

You're the one who's suggested that by going with that "let's not waste time, just vote" post.

Secondly, you're trying to appeal to my experience and ego, and that's almost always a scum tactic. Since you're sitting around at L-1, why don't you, I dunno, claim? Instead of potentially risking us losing information regarding your role, leaving the scum available to falseclaim at endgame, why aren't you explaining to us why we should believe you're town, who's scum, and why?

Yep, I might claim.
And I will do so in a matter of a few hours anyway.
I just wanted to have a talk with you, is it that much of a problem?
I'm pretty convinced I've got both the full mafia asset on my wagon, so as long as CM and imopen2 don't do something stupid I've got all the time in the world.

Thirdly, since you agree with me
that there are only two scum, why would they quickhammer when there's still a chance that there's a role that could stop them from performing a Nightkill successfully? Or, y'know, throw away the game if they think they could convince the town not to lynch their buddy (you)? Your assertion only holds up IF you're town, and I haven't seen any indicator that you might be that I can recall.

My assertion holds up BECAUSE I am town, duh

FOURTHLY, why are you fishing for MY role?

I'm not.
I'm asking you how do you expect to win by mislynching TownNihilist right now.

Basically, you're not approaching any of this from a town mindset - you're set on survival, obfuscation, and deprivation of information. And I'm set on your death.

I'll look back through the game and dredge up something resembling a case - not that it's needed, since we only need one more vote to lynch you.

Well, if that's not needed just avoid doing so rather than waste your time.

So, I've asked a question on Iso 7 hours ago.
I was already at L-2.
If both him and rezmo were town, I'd be hanging by now.
Instead we just get another mindless barning that tries to brush away the main question: how is town supposed to win after this mislynch?
I was already under the impression that TubeHunter was scum before (guess who did I vote today...), and given the fact that I'm still alive while at L-1 after his vote, his sidekick HAS to be one between rezmo and that Iso who still hasn't explained to me how he would try to win this game tomorrow, with half of the population being scum.

Let's see how this turns out.

You guys are wrong, and I think you (Iso) should know better than just "hey, he fucked up with a post so let's just lynch him".
We're six players left, and you assume two of us are scum - which IMHO is a good call, mind you - that means that a mislynch would bring the count to five, then the following night would take it to four and, GUESS WHAT, that mass claiming would be pretty much useless because the 2 scum left could just go for No lynch and win.

You're a bit too experienced to be wrong on this one, so I'm either missing something or you're purposefully trying to mislead town.
Talk to me, what's up?

Duh, late to the party again

@Red:
And Day 2 wasn't a mess?

Well, when I realized that there was a Day 2 it was pretty much already over

Anyway: vote LMD / Pie / Wraith

Well, you could start by claiming instead or re-reading all that mess in Day 1 '-'

Mmh, so no test on his ability.
Too bad, it would have been interesting.
Let's see what alignment does he flip then.

Note to self: I don't like the way you went all fanboyish on Iso.

re: Scum.
My top read is STILL on WraithPie, so I'd prefer to lynch them since they're the most likely to be scum and killing scum is usually a good line of play, I've been told.

re: Suga
he's just acting like before getting lynched in Kaze's newb mafia and he turned townie there, did he turn scum in other recent games?

Also, I don't get this:

Also, CM is
probably scum because:

Actually... this could be interesting

If the ability is real (and he happens to be town, it could be a scum ability) we could always force a scummy player to post "I am a townie" and then we have a cop of sorts.

Droppin just has done nothing and doing nothing at almost 445 posts is bad.

This game has too much lurking and unactive players at the moment

This post is fucking bad.

'lets not lynch the biggest suspect so we can have a 'cop of sorts' if everyone posts I am town.'

The mafia already know who the town are.

I'm aware of that, it just might have been a good idea to lynch someone else scummy and see what the mafia do. You do realize I
never unvoted because I was still sure he was scum?

Iso's post has enlightened me to be happy with a ham lynch, Droppin or ham today will do fine.

Ok, I get it.

"Can only do at night" is a convenient way to not get lynched

Scum know who town is, so it'll be easy for him to pick a townie and say "this person's telling the truth!" at which point that person will say "by gollie, yes I am" and then scum get a convenient kill the next night.

I initially unvoted Suga because I didn't know what to make of the claim. Now I know what to make of it.

vote: DroppinSuga

Provided that Lie Detector is a REAL role and that there's really NOTHING that strange about the power working at night, this post smells.
Also, we could set Suga up on investigating something more useful than "I am town" sentences, so his point is pretty flawed as well.

(reply intended to Z, of course)

I'm reading right now, and I thought that should be quite obvious.
With that said, just lynch me if you're that confidant I'm scum, what's the matter?

Hi zem!

Hi ham!

rez town
Red town
Suga null
Witch town
Tube null
Ham null
Iso town
Void null
z town

page 1 reads that I will not be elaborating on. woo-hoo.

I kind of want to stop there tbh.

rez town
Witch town
Tube town
z town
Void town
Ham town
Iso town
imopen null
Suga null
Red scummy
rcw scummy
murphy scummy

hmm.

unvote
vote rcw

Dafuq?

Everytime I play with Suga it ends up like this.
Let me read things.

Nihilist please respond to Iso ASAP

I'll be home in 4.5 hours and I've got to say I'm really happy to see some new life.
Can't wait to re-read the last pages without having to work at the same time.

I'll be answering now, though, as happy Z just warms my heart:

Red could you fence-sit any harder with that reads post

Why didn't you want to say anything about imopen before rcw? Afraid to put your opinion out there in case you have to vote imopen after rcw's case?

I didn'
t want to overcommit.
I'm just a cautious person, and at the time I didn't want to desperately stop a wagon on a player I still feel like will turn out to be scum rather than just motivate people to think "out of the tracks".

Why would reading your other games make you town in this game?

I've always been sincere in my posting, so I'm pretty positive that two different instances of TownNihilist from two different games will be similar enough to clear me.

-

Let me know if I'm missing anything.

RE raspy: I actually considered him leaning town before his stunt in putting Wraith at L-1, even though I can believe his motives.

That wasn't a stunt. I legitimately voted Wraith thinking he was the best scum target at the time, and I knew I put him at L-1. Then I had doubts and imopen2 caught my attention with some scummy posts.

The whole thing about analyzing Wraith's wagon was just something that dawned on me later. Putting him at L-1 wasn't intended to bring that about, if that's what you're referring to.

Oh, ok.
I read your move like some kind of bet.
nBetter get some sleep.

RE raspy: I actually considered him leaning town before his stunt in putting Wraith at L-1, even though I can believe his motives.
At the same time I fear that Z's read on him might be too "tainted" by their recent game on DTR.

Now: did anybody hear recently from imopen2?

<- @office.
Seriously, you can't expect anything more than one-liners, at the moment.

Instead of pushing me you could just read my other game(s) and discover by yourself I'm town as usual.
I'd like to hear your opinion on raspy and imopen, if you've got free time.

Boring '-'

Suga promised a post as well.

Rednihilist can you provide me with a link to 1 Town game and 1 Mafia game that you've played here or elsewhere.

TownNihilist: viewtopic.php?f=111&t=1895

Never been scum, though.

I want to answer your question, but I don't quite understand it sorry; you can perhaps phrase it differently for me?

My bad.
What I wanted to ask you is: are you really sure it is ok for us to discuss too much Wraith's position before Pie's first posts?
I'd prefer him to focus on a fresh start rather than having him reading the whole thread through and realize he has got to gain everybody's trust or something like that.
You know, I feel like he's got enough pressure on him, but I'd avoid forcing him some useless direction.

I hope I have been able to express myself a bit better this time.

I agree that the role slip is pretty damning (of the people who have commented on it, I think everyone but raspy thinks it indicates scum); I am more swayed by the tone of his posts; they indicate noob town frustration to me, based on my experiences with him in DTR mafia. Thing is, he didn't face any real pressure in that game from memory, so I cannot say if such a massive overreaction is in character or not. I am not confident he is scum, and I don't think much would be gained by lynching him; at best we can analyze the wagon and we can already do that without killing him.

You know, the way he kept goin' on with his flavorgaming sounded a bit like "let's try to pass as noob" where I would have expected town to take a different stance, something like "ok, let's try to do something useful instead".

Can I ask why do you think that discussing Pie's new role before him actually being able to post something is good practice?
I clearly stated that he would have get lynched no matter what (quantum lynching?) , but if I have to bet a Z-dollar, I'd say scum after that slip on his role.

(funnily, having a guy used to post silly things to actually post silly things is actual scumhunting)

Aww, don't get me wrong, I sometimes read things while just don't understanding them, like you'd expect by someone who writes "something happened INTO previous games" (after re-reading the sentence I'm pretty sure it doesn't make sense).

So ok, you wanted him to come up with something silly, he delivered and you went for a walk.
Nothing wrong here, ktnxbye.

Tell me Z, now that Wraith is not playing with us anymore, where you still butthurt at him for something that happened into previous games?
Is that why you started by putting pressure on him, then just let the game drift away?

Avoid policy lynches where not needed is a good start, trying to have discuss something different than "OMG wraith sucks" is probably good as well.
I don't feel like saying anything more to you at the moment, I'm more interested in raspy vs imopen at the moment.
Or, well, let's just keep this up for t3h lulz.

e.e

If I wanted to "coast through Day 1 by hiding in the open" I could just have hopped on the Wraith train, duh.

I'm not going to come up with a list for the moment, try giving me an example on how it's done >'.'<

This post is too self aware and you e not tried to find scum on any post recently.

You are scum, aren't you Red?

Not being ordered around by you means being scum?
*note taken*

Well, that's okay, the next time I'll see you reading the thread I won't greet you, if that's your reaction.

Replacement?
Oh gawd.
He seriously decided to fuck up things until the very end.