I wanted to play my first non-town game from the start and you all screwed it over badly, shame on you
I expect Stardust to comment on what I was writing in the mafia QT.
All in all, it has been fun even though the whole game was a major train wreck.
The way Dechs randomly guessed who blocked him (not that I wasn't going to claim that anyway, I needed to gain some towncred) and that pseudoslip that Wraith fell in love with (the "pulling strings" thing) were also uberlol.
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- Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:30 am
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So, I've put a certain amount of thought into the matter and I've decided that just handing the game to Stardust hoping he's town is wrong on so many levels that I can't really even recap.DISCLAIMER: after editing four times the first 2 lines of this post I realized I don't really care for grammar at 4.15 AM, so please take into account the fact that I'm a sleeping italian while you read this.
What strikes me the most, though, is that even though we had the chance of abusing my very informative role, he just doesn't care - he just wants to control the flow of the game and he's giving priority to that rather than trying to squeeze info from it.
Starting from that, I reread Stardust from the begining and, well...
I don't like the fact that he started out by voting me by barning Kaze, then started massaging my belly for how town I was, then started accusing me of being Kaze'
s buddy because I didn't feel threatened by Kaze's aggression, even though Kaze's always like that on Day 1, even though this imopen2 post pretty much sums up everything one should say about him.
Also, I don't know how purposefully he's ignoring the fact that I was very invested on the other game I was playing during most of Day 1, up to the point that I effectively missed being at L-1 at one point - from when Gone Postal ended, there has been effectively no wagon on me, so I don't really get why I should have been that bothered by a player that just seemed to have lost all kind of motivation back then.
Now, things get awry.
Stardust jumps out of nowhere with this unexpected moment of brilliance, followed up shortly by this
exchange, to which Kaze answers immediately in a sarcastic way then disappears ABRUPTLY AND FOREVER from the whole site.
That's not *that* bad, people have real lives and things and I hope Kaze is good and all, but the way Stardust follows up with a set of posts explicitly stating that he's not going to want for an answer makes me think that he knew what was up and was desperate to throw him under the bus in order to squeeze some value from his departure, given the fact that he would have gone on playing alone anyway.
Because, you know, "Sporadic play + results = townie Stardust. Sporadic play + no results = scary Stardust.".
He even starts setting me up asking Kaze to case me (whoops! he never did, that makes me his buddy!), and asking me [url=viewtopic.php?p=243305#p243305]who I considered scummier between Kaze and Wraith[/url:
3qu6jny7], a player that we both, correctly, labeled as non-town.
Then, he set his trap. I said a couple of times I felt uneasy by the way he barned me as I was reminiscent of KNM when he played me like a puppet, and he suddenly went from "oh Red, you so town" to having me 100% scum, backing up his claims with what I should / shouldn't have done even though I've always been fully honest, imaginary interactions between my old role and his not claimed role that make mine 100% scum (just believe me, guyz), closing with him wanting me to NOT use my role for investigative purposes because I need to die tonight for his plans.
Except that if he really believed the last scum to be one between me, DK and rez he could also ask for Wraith to roleblock DK rather than ham and set up rez while waiting for my results, lynch me tomorrow to confirm my results and act accordingly.
What's the difference here? Speed.
If he's wrong (purposefully or not) we go from 5-2-1 to 2-2-1 (mislynch + DK's guided
nightkill + scumkill) and we enter a situation where ham and Wraith can just not vote each other and pretty much win without ever bother helping town anymore if I got this setup right.
Forgive me if I'm not too happy with the idea of handing the game over to him and quietly disappear hoping to be wrong all along.
I'd rather try to actively win this game rather than die with my fingers crossed hoping that someone else can win such game for me.
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- Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:38 pm
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Wait, what?If it is, I'm going to give you a solid read. If it isn't I'm going to give dechs a solid read with a minor in lmd and imopen.I just want to see if it's possible.(Rezmo seems to have some reading difficulties tonight)
Also, killing claimed neutrals doesn't hurt town. If we're going to be disabling ham anyway, we may as well kill him. just saying.
I think I'm missing
something here.
That sentence from me that you've quoted was pretty much an out-of-context non-sequitur, I don't get your reply.
- Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:36 pm
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- Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:33 pm
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- Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:29 pm
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- Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:27 pm
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I just didn't bother asking Pie if changing my target was legal or not - the role PM states clearly that I need(ed) to choose my target before twilight, and that's all.Yes, I suppose so.
You could have changed your chosen target yesterday. And I'm not trying to aggressively clear myself, just felt like your last post re: me was pretty waffly. Your use of the phrase, "On the same time" leads me to believe that the entire first paragraph is why you think I might be scum. It doesn't make sense and seemed like you were avoiding taking a stance.
Okay, so, you say you're town. What do you want to do today?
Feel free to read my posts as waffly (what?), but I still don't get why having doubts on your alignment should be equal to
labeling you as scum - I just find your results excellent and I can read town motivation behind your reasoning, yet I'd rather avoid trusting you too much. We're still playing mafia here, ain't we?
You're the guy who went from "he's either the craftiest scum ever seen or town, so he must be town" to "nvm, he's scum", right?
Should I feel bad about keeping my eyes on you rather than just going for "blah, he's town"?
It's not like I've never seen you playing the controlling, friendly scum role, you know?
That said, I guess I'd like to say that I'd rather prefer DK to avoid shooting me (duh), and I plan use my newly obtained Changeling role to fetch some infos tonight.
- Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:13 pm
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- Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:45 pm
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"Why would scumStardust etc etc" is a bad question and you know that: I didn't call you scum and I actually said that your mood swings towards me feel creepy, yet I feel uneasy at calling you scum - why are you trying to clear yourself so aggressively?
I don't think your case on me was "bullshit", yet I'm not going to spend my life arguing with you on some point-by-point argument when I don't really need to - if you feel like cohercing Dechs into shooting me feel free to do so, I'll just flip Town Changeling and you'll feel stupid but that's how the game pans out, isn't it?
I don't think your case on me was "bullshit", yet I'm not going to spend my life arguing with you on some point-by-point argument when I don't really need to - if you feel like cohercing Dechs into shooting me feel free to do so, I'll just flip Town Changeling and you'll feel stupid but that's how the game pans out, isn't it?
- Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:37 pm
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I'm having serious trouble understanding what you want from me now.
I didn't "let him live for a reason THEN blocked him" because:
1) I submitted my action BEFORE his becoming a popular wagon;
2) having him enter Day 2 after being blocked could have lead to him trying to lie his way out things;
2b (alternative)) having him enter Day 2 claiming to have been blocked would have started some good actions by people willing to lynch him, and that'd actually provided something to work on REGARDLESS of the fact that we ended up lynching him or not.
I didn't "let him live for a reason THEN blocked him" because:
1) I submitted my action BEFORE his becoming a popular wagon;
2) having him enter Day 2 after being blocked could have lead to him trying to lie his way out things;
2b (alternative)) having him enter Day 2 claiming to have been blocked would have started some good actions by people willing to lynch him, and that'd actually provided something to work on REGARDLESS of the fact that we ended up lynching him or not.
- Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:00 am
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I really don't know.all: don't trust stardust so much...he's asking for claims, directing PRs, and forgetting to follow through on rereads he promises (i remember him doing this in a previous scum game, but i can't remember which..). That plan may sound good but if stardust were scum, we'd be fucked.
I mean, on Day 1 I just felt like he was barning me hard, today after I said that such behaviour was troubling me he started casing me and publicly plotting my execution and swinging from "we're a good town block!" to "hey DK-that-everyone-considered-scum-till-a-minute-ago, be a good boy and shoot him" is somehow funny, but whatever.
On the same time, I feel like that the way he worked towards a scumKazekill on Day 1
clears him from being scum, I really don't see the point of bussing one's buddy THAT hard on Day 1.
I remember playing with him on Kaze n00b Mafia before, maybe that's the game you're referring to.
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- Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:56 am
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Seriously, I've chosen to block him because I wanted to cause some reaction from, how is that more risky than just lynching him and hoping to be right?But if you're going to block him anyway, why is lynching him going "all-in"? It's not like he could prove anything before Day 2. I feel like you chose to go all-in when you chose to block him.You know me well enough to know that I'm NEVER fully sold on a read (except Wraith in the last game, but at times I had second thoughts on that as well), and I actually wanted to test him out.
It's not like I considered Wraith and Kaze too high on my T/S list either, I don't see why I should have went all-in so early in the game.
- Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:34 pm
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You know me well enough to know that I'm NEVER fully sold on a read (except Wraith in the last game, but at times I had second thoughts on that as well), and I actually wanted to test him out.
It's not like I considered Wraith and Kaze too high on my T/S list either, I don't see why I should have went all-in so early in the game.
It's not like I considered Wraith and Kaze too high on my T/S list either, I don't see why I should have went all-in so early in the game.
- Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:29 pm
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- Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:28 pm
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I didn't really believe he was a cop, he seemed to anxious to get info on roles and things.
I STILL don't believe his vig claim.
I wanted to test him, to see if he would have come up with something made up for his lack of results.
To be fully honest, I submitted my action quite early (when he pretty much begged me for info on my choice) because he smelled fishy, then I just went with it rather than complain with Pie and asking him to retarget my action; I also thought - by the way my PM was worded - that he already knew he was being blocked by the time he had that exchange with you about the possibility of being blocked etc, so I really thought he was gambling by then.
I STILL don't believe his vig claim.
I wanted to test him, to see if he would have come up with something made up for his lack of results.
To be fully honest, I submitted my action quite early (when he pretty much begged me for info on my choice) because he smelled fishy, then I just went with it rather than complain with Pie and asking him to retarget my action; I also thought - by the way my PM was worded - that he already knew he was being blocked by the time he had that exchange with you about the possibility of being blocked etc, so I really thought he was gambling by then.
- Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:33 pm
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- Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:33 pm
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This whole double-neutral mess is complicated.
Wraith's being a Changeling makes him very neutral, so I don't know why we shouldn't believe him - I find his claim of having yet to decide as to whether play with town or not believable - ham could have pulled off some stunt by early claiming being neutral while being something different, but I wouldn't follow that path for the moment.
Dechs "just lynch me" behaviour is starting to hurt me nearly as much as his Day 1 role hunt, but I feel like we can afford giving his ability a shot.
Wraith's being a Changeling makes him very neutral, so I don't know why we shouldn't believe him - I find his claim of having yet to decide as to whether play with town or not believable - ham could have pulled off some stunt by early claiming being neutral while being something different, but I wouldn't follow that path for the moment.
Dechs "just lynch me" behaviour is starting to hurt me nearly as much as his Day 1 role hunt, but I feel like we can afford giving his ability a shot.
- Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:35 am
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I submitted my two choices as Scum/Vigilante because "I want to be able to kill someone at night, so no matter what you chose, I get that."
The role PM said I was "Town Two-Shot Vigilante" in bold green font]/b]. At Night I may kill another player and I can only use it twice.
Wrong target, rezmo-kun.
- Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:33 am
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Do you remember KNM? That game where you were scum and controlled the flow of the game etc etc?Hey Red, I want to talk about this now. What was troubling you way back then?Stardust
I'm troubled here.
The gut says town, the actions are very townish to me, yet I'm a little troubled here.
This is a bit complicated so we'll discuss about this later, though.
It was actually my first game of mafia and I remember the way you treated my like your son, then stabbed me in the back.
The way you started the game by casing Kaze (the one who wanted me lynched) then Dechs
(my strongest scum tell) sent some shivers down my spine when doing that reread; luckily, with Kaze flipping scum, the idea of you cuddling me just in order to control me seems really stupid.
- Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:31 pm
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I asked for Town - Godfather, ended up as Town Disabler (and now Town Changeling).Okay, everyone just slow down here for a sec.
Wraith, Dechs, Red and hamfactorial. I want each of you to fully paraphrase your role PM's. Give us what two options you gave Pie, which he chose, and what your actual role name is (this you can quote). The only other information I want is details on how your role works. Just give me the exact details and nothing more - I want a snapshot here, not your life story.
For the role descriptions, Wraith did a good job in explaining them.
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- Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:25 pm
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Technically speaking, yes - I'm the one who disabled you.
The funny thing is that you caught me for the wrong reasons - I'm not going to quote my PM, but the role is worded in a way that forces the player that uses it to submit the action during the day, so the fact that you received the PM from Pie at 3.42 just means that Pie doesn't like sleeping.
Now, I've been targeted by a changeling so I've lost my role, so said player can actually confirm this, having stripped me of my role.
The funny thing is that you caught me for the wrong reasons - I'm not going to quote my PM, but the role is worded in a way that forces the player that uses it to submit the action during the day, so the fact that you received the PM from Pie at 3.42 just means that Pie doesn't like sleeping.
Now, I've been targeted by a changeling so I've lost my role, so said player can actually confirm this, having stripped me of my role.
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Nice self-awareness here, bro.Go for it!Right now I'd probably go for Kaze.Thanks Red. If it came to deadline, I take it you'd be willing to lynch either Kaze or Wraith?
I don't know of the "personal reason" ham mentioned, he suddenly appeared to be not involved with the game at all then disappeared, and that just doesn't mix with his jumpy start.
I'd prefer performing a proper ISO on Wraith before that, though.
Also explain to me what that is? Was it the stardust review of kaze and DK? Would be really cool to see a read on me anyway that stardust did. Although, it's a lot of material for only day 1 to make a call on. Not sure how valid the other are when I think about it.
I don't see a DK lynch happening and won't vote for him today. Later days with his intel will tell whether he is town. No one has counter claimed either. Stardusts case of kaze is good but the it drifts to a DK lynch in the end. I never saw where kaze requested a claim when red came close to vote. Did I miss that? If not, why did he not ask if he was the serious guy? I never did cause i find that most folks asking for a claim are scum even though I have been wrong way to many times on that.
Am I the only one who did not want the extension? Thought it is maybe detrimental to scum who maybe on the block or
being heavily cased.
I was planning to quickly read the last messages before going to bed (it's 4 am here), but this is really funny.
- Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:39 pm
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- Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:37 pm
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Right now I'd probably go for Kaze.Thanks Red. If it came to deadline, I take it you'd be willing to lynch either Kaze or Wraith?
I don't know of the "personal reason" ham mentioned, he suddenly appeared to be not involved with the game at all then disappeared, and that just doesn't mix with his jumpy start.
I'd prefer performing a proper ISO on Wraith before that, though.
- Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:06 pm
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- Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:06 pm
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Lord_Mcdonalds
imopen2
They're not posting much, but I find their contributions okay.
hamfactorial
That claim is pretty convenient and I confess being a little troubled by it, but I blame it more on my little understanding of the setup rather than on his behaviour that, honestly, seems pretty much ok.
rezombad
Mixed feelings here. All in all, I think the only time I played with him with him being scum was Fire & Ice where I marvelously failed to consider him so, even though I had sure info on pretty much half of the players.
I really don't like the way he's pushing Wraith - "I think Wraith has a tell, and I'm not gonna say what it is until after he dies." is exactly the kind of thing that works against your own case.
It's not a scum slip by him, he's just overconfident as usual, yet I'd like him to properly share his thought and encourage discussion.
Dechs Kaison
He's the strongest
scum read at the moment.
I'm with imopen2 on the fact that we should at least give a shot to his role, though.
Kazekirimaru
I've yet to understand his case on me, then he switched over to DK and... died?
I don't know what to make of him, at first I thought he was his usual self (pro-active, very aggressive town), but he just seems to lack any direction or activity.
Also, the case in post 322 is good and imopen2 dubbed him as scum as well.
Wraith223
I can't bring myself to a proper reread for now.
Smells fishy, though.
As said earlier, the fact that he's super-aware of stronger players (like Iso in Gone Postal, even if he was never a threat to begin with) and the way he has provoked me to get my attention earlier shows overconfidence.
I'd be ok with lynching him, but at the same time I just fear my vision of him is tainted by that other game.
Stardust
I'm troubled here.
The gut says town, the actions are very townish to me, yet I'm a little troubled here.
This is a bit complicated
so we'll discuss about this later, though.
DK is the strongest scumread here, then Wraith, then Kaze.
imopen feels really town to me.
The other non-ham players are in a gray, WIFOMy zone.
imopen2
They're not posting much, but I find their contributions okay.
hamfactorial
That claim is pretty convenient and I confess being a little troubled by it, but I blame it more on my little understanding of the setup rather than on his behaviour that, honestly, seems pretty much ok.
rezombad
Mixed feelings here. All in all, I think the only time I played with him with him being scum was Fire & Ice where I marvelously failed to consider him so, even though I had sure info on pretty much half of the players.
I really don't like the way he's pushing Wraith - "I think Wraith has a tell, and I'm not gonna say what it is until after he dies." is exactly the kind of thing that works against your own case.
It's not a scum slip by him, he's just overconfident as usual, yet I'd like him to properly share his thought and encourage discussion.
Dechs Kaison
He's the strongest
scum read at the moment.
I'm with imopen2 on the fact that we should at least give a shot to his role, though.
Kazekirimaru
I've yet to understand his case on me, then he switched over to DK and... died?
I don't know what to make of him, at first I thought he was his usual self (pro-active, very aggressive town), but he just seems to lack any direction or activity.
Also, the case in post 322 is good and imopen2 dubbed him as scum as well.
Wraith223
I can't bring myself to a proper reread for now.
Smells fishy, though.
As said earlier, the fact that he's super-aware of stronger players (like Iso in Gone Postal, even if he was never a threat to begin with) and the way he has provoked me to get my attention earlier shows overconfidence.
I'd be ok with lynching him, but at the same time I just fear my vision of him is tainted by that other game.
Stardust
I'm troubled here.
The gut says town, the actions are very townish to me, yet I'm a little troubled here.
This is a bit complicated
so we'll discuss about this later, though.
DK is the strongest scumread here, then Wraith, then Kaze.
imopen feels really town to me.
The other non-ham players are in a gray, WIFOMy zone.
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