Dies to Removal

RedNihilist

Oh, I targeted red night 1, no way was was I going to let him die early.

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Thoughts on my N1 action:
"Night 1:
Su 9 giocatori residui parto togliendo me, Manders, Stardust e MoJo.
Il ragionamento è che Manders e Stardust sono giocatori "pericolosi" e che quindi - se buoni - hanno buona probabilità d'essere bersagliati dai mafiosi, MoJo forse è un indipendente, ma sicuramente non un mafioso.

I rimanenti sono Tordeck, ham, Pedro, G_R e rezmo.
Ham è nel lato buono dello spettro, Pedro ora come ora è tempo perso, rezmo tende ad arrivare al late game quindi non è urgente.
Tordeck e G_R vanno studiati ma sono buoni obiettivi.

MA

Dopo rilettura pare che tutti sospettino di Stardust.
Uno Stardust sospetto è uno Stardust che non muore N1, giocare da D2 in avanti sapendo il suo allineamento è un bel bonus.
Inoltre se tutti ne sospettano forse lo stupido sono io, a questo punto."

for english speakers:

"Night 1:
From the 9 alive players I start by cutting myself, Manders, Stardust and MoJo.
My reasoning is that Manders and Stardust are "dangerous" players so - if they're town - they have good chances of being targeted by scum, MoJo is maybe Self-Aligned but he's not scum.

The remaining players are Tordeck, ham, Pedro, G_R and rezmo.
Ham is on the good side of the spectrum, investigating Pedro right now is a good way to waste time, rezmo usually survives until the endgame so investigating him is not urgent.
Tordeck and G_R need to be studied but are good targets.

BUT

After rereading everybody just seems to be aware of Stardust.
A suspicious Stardust is a Stardust that survives N1, playing from D2 on knowing his alignment is a great bonus.
Also, if everyone suspects of him, maybe I'm the idiot of the party."

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I've decided to go for Self-aligned + Cop because I seem to be unable to win as non-scum.
This game wasn't any different, even if activity didn't collapse you guys would have just killed me and we'd have ended up losing.
Did I misplay that badly or am I just cursed?

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OR we kill off inactive people, for t3h lulz

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Same here, but we should get people back in the game.

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Is it time to send out some prods or what?

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Nope, I've just understood what was happening when you claimed to have some major case against me.

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QR_BBPOST RedNihilist - Targeted Stardust and knows Pedrobear targeted Stardust, but hasn't claimed how
Wrong.

I targeted Stardust but my role can't kill anybody, so I can't be the only one having done so.
Since Pedro correctly claimed that I had targeted Stardust, he's either pulling off a masterful bluff or he is a Tracker that targeted me ~ had he been a Watcher that targeted Stardust, he would have had other positives.

It's 00.58 here so forgive me if I've messed up too badly with my verbs :\
Is the wrong part that you know Pedro targeted you?

You also wrote that Pedro targeted Stardust, but maybe it was just a typo.

Would it be more accurate to say you don't know Pedro targeted you because of your role, but because it would be a great coincidence for him to bluff and be right? I think that's what you are saying.

Yup.

And you really have nothing to say in response to my proposal of a mass claim?

I'm usually against mass claims, but we're probably already in a MyLo situation and mass claiming could be wise.

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QR_BBPOST RedNihilist - Targeted Stardust and knows Pedrobear targeted Stardust, but hasn't claimed how

Wrong.

I targeted Stardust but my role can't kill anybody, so I can't be the only one having done so.
Since Pedro correctly claimed that I had targeted Stardust, he's either pulling off a masterful bluff or he is a Tracker that targeted me ~ had he been a Watcher that targeted Stardust, he would have had other positives.

It's 00.58 here so forgive me if I've messed up too badly with my verbs :\

RedNihilist

True it is indeed.

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Yes, you are misinterpreting.
Now come up with a good reason to investigate him or let him be, he's confirmed town.
If you think I'm throwing myself under the bus to save him you can just investigate him tomorrow.

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Nice rolehunting btw.
Why don't you just propose a mass claim while you're at it?
Do you need a good target for Night 2?

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I won't.
Give me a good reason to or just vote me.

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Meh, that's not really accurate, now that I think about it.
My power did work, but with Stardust dead that's just irrelevant.

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I've got nothing to explain, technically.
I confirm I targeted Stardust last night but the only info I got from that is that Pedro is a Tracker, and probably Town (Mafia Trackers are a thing, but at that point he would have played differently imho).

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Hams vote had nothing to do with mine. I was talking to you. And since you didnt have an alternative, i voted the thing that made the most sense.

Nice.
Vote rezombadumtss

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Given that I can't be 100% sure that my interpretation is correct, but if you are what I think you are and I were you I'd search my role on wiki.mafiascum.net and read aloud the second point under "Use and balance".

Let's put that aside, though.
The common consensus - aka: Occam's Razor - tells us that scum has killed G_R while he has vigshotted Stardust.
Your interpretation is different and consists in scum killing Stardust and somebody else taking down G_R - but who?
Was it a town player? He would have claimed by now instead of letting people follow a wrong train of thought (if scum killed Stardust in order to protect MoJo we should be actively hunt him, as you pointed out), but nobody did.

Now, I can't force you to believe me because this game would make little sense at that point, but ask yourself what kind of setup could really support a scum faction with multiple night kills AND a double voter.

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So you're willing to believe scum has been given a double voter?

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Stupid "Submit" button!

Pedro, explain the post quoted above.

Ham, mind giving me your general idea on this situation?

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After re-read and realizing how dumb I can be I'll add MoJo (= kpaca isnt it ?) to my scum list.

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Yup, he's just wrong.
But the reason he's calling me scum is actually useful at clearing him.

(and I had to google esl...)

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Just for the sake of it:

Mojo is not scum, and at this point of the game we can only hope he's on our side rather than being (for example) a Survivor that just needs to shorten the game.

Pedro is Chaotic Town.

I'm noob Town.

The other four players are Manders, Tordeck, ham, rezmo.
I may or may not trust Manders as town, and I also may or may not trust ham / rezmo after that exchange on Stardust's hypotetical breadcrumb.

I have absolutely no clue on Tordeck's alignment.

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Oh, I'm not - I've already got enough info to warrant you he's town.
The problem is that he's misinterpreting his info, but at least that clears him.

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I know this sounds stupid, but that's good news.
The "he got pretty aggressive with me" is nonsense though.

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You forgot Manders.

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Because it's the point of the game... Killing Scum and staying alive as long as you can to help your team.

Wanna help my team win.
I'm not voting you because I'd prefer to see if Pedro is going to play with us before putting you at L-1, but that's all.
This is a terrible reason to withhold your vote.
1) Pedro's not the only one being quiet.
2) Maybe something RL crazy came up and it'd be helpful to him to have a Night to deal with that?
3) It's still early in the game.
4) You yourself don't have THAT many more posts than he does.

Lucky for you I'm fairly certain you're Town.
It's still early in the game, does that mean that we should rush things? Just asking.

Anyway I don't get point 4, I'm interested in Pedro because I just have no impression at all about him, your remark about the relative difference between the total amount of my posts and his makes no sense to me.

On the other hand: everyone seems to consider Hunt as doomed to get lynched sooner or later, is there a reason to be hasty?
1) Sitting around talking once a lynch has been decided upon (as this one seems) is only good for Scum. (Possible info leaks, for instance.)
2) Point 4 is relevant because, while you're right that he hasn't posted much and needs to post more, you, yourself, could stand to post more as well (though it's not as bad as last game.)
However, why are you focusing on Pedro re: post count/activity? kpaca, Tordeck, and probably others that have posted so little I forgot they're even in the game need to post more as well. Why Pedrobear, then?
3) Again, because sitting around talking can lead to information leaking that Scum don't need. Once a lynch is decided, it's always best to move forward and past it.

For the record, yes, it'd be nice if a few of the low-post wonders came in and offered their input, but I think it's more detrimental to wait for that than just go ahead and move to Night.

1) Makes sense, but I still wanted to have him say *something* that I could reread later. I'm not as strong as you, so I usually end up surviving for later days and that probably has made me develop a bad mindset about having something to read back from the future.
2) Whatever. I care about my reads on others, your comparative views on my posts and his ones is not something I care too much about.
3) Ok, you've made your point clear.

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<- Will hammer after Mander's response, provided that nobody asks me otherwise.

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Because it's the point of the game... Killing Scum and staying alive as long as you can to help your team.

Wanna help my team win.
I'm not voting you because I'd prefer to see if Pedro is going to play with us before putting you at L-1, but that's all.
This is a terrible reason to withhold your vote.
1) Pedro's not the only one being quiet.
2) Maybe something RL crazy came up and it'd be helpful to him to have a Night to deal with that?
3) It's still early in the game.
4) You yourself don't have THAT many more posts than he does.

Lucky for you I'm fairly certain you're Town.

It's still early in the game, does that mean that we should rush things? Just asking.

Anyway I don't get point 4, I'm interested in Pedro because I just have no impression at all about him, your remark about the relative difference between the total amount of my posts and his makes no sense to me.

On the other hand: everyone seems to consider Hunt as doomed to get lynched sooner or later, is there a reason to be hasty?

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I'm totally playing with us. I just don't post because I can't provide anything going forward in the play currently.

A part from my thought that if I were a PGO, I'd have claimed like he does but way sooner. The problem is that everyone is doubtful about him because of his style.
Now even if he claimed I think it's too late to step back. As G_R said, Huntz will get lynched sooner or later. The sooner the better.

What?

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Because it's the point of the game... Killing Scum and staying alive as long as you can to help your team.

Wanna help my team win.

Of course it is. Except it's not.

I've never played as a PGO, but if I did I'm pretty sure I'd rather claim Cop or Doctor in order to paint a target on my back for scum, as THAT is the point of the game and winning post-mortem is real.

All in all, I think you chose to claim PGO because you felt like there were low chances of another PGO being in the game to counterclaim you, but I don't feel like you're playing like a PGO would.
I don't think you're Town, I think you just wanted to buy your survival by appearing useful to us.

I'm not voting you because I'd prefer to see if Pedro is going to play with us before putting you at L-1, but that's all.

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Why do you care that much about being killed?

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Claiming was the proper move.
I still don't see why choosing PGO as your preferred role of choice to just end up claiming like this.

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Hi Pedro, welcome back.
Mind giving us some general impressions you've got about the game?

Hunt: why did you claim PGO?

Red and Rezombad I get mixed up for some reason, probably to do with the Re at the start of their names and my lack of familiarity with them. But I don't recall too much they've done either.

For future reference: I'm like rezmo but sexier.

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<- back
I'll catch up with things now

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I hereby request this game's name to be changed in 'Random Poll Mafia'.

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How did I miss the point in post 21?

I'm not asking you to trust anything as fact. I'm not making a case on Tordeck or the person I've found to be scum IMO.

So, no, I don't think I will. Butt out and let Tordeck defend himself if he deems fit to do so.

Were you implying I was trying to defend him?
What's the point in *not* explaining your posts btw?

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rezombad - Liking him so far.
( G_R ) - His interactions are strictly Stardust-based up to now, and he seems to have disappeared lately.
Pedrobear - Is he still alive? That's not good.
Stardust - Very silly start.
Manders - This game is Manders-centered so far. I don't like her start, I don't like her inside-game with Tordeck, I don't like post #21 as I think she missed the point there. I DO like the nonclaim, I do like the interaction with Huntzilla and Stardust.
MoJo - for the moment I refuse to believe that scum would be given a double voting role.
Huntzilla - I don't like his trying to start the game with a pseudo-mass claim, but at least he managed to get some content out. Let's see
Tordeck - Unreadable to me at the moment. I hope everything's fine with the real life btw.
RedNihilist - Hi, handsome.
Ham - He's doing nothing unHammy for the moment and that's good to me, I'll reassess his position later but he sounds pretty towny.

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Unvote
Things get interesting.

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Yeah, he's suspicious as hell, still he could be doing this on purpose *wifom wifom*.

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