Dies to Removal

So pissed...

Good point, the less versitile your cards and less 1-of's the worse Dig is.

I guess Jace slows down your clock but being able to flashback burn for the win and also pitch lands to find burn since this deck doesnt want a lot of lands like the more typical Jeskai deck seems good.

Basically I think Firedancer is a very hit or miss card and so is Searing Blood(which I wouldnt cut, maybe to 3).

Jace is more consistent overall so I think its a better game 1 card and could easily be boarded for Firedancer when you play creature matchups.

Just dont think Firedancer is great vs Control(which is low) or Abzan control(very popular). I'd rather sideboard it in knowing it will be awesome.

Jace just seems so good in a deck like that. Wonder if Jace should be main deck to dig for burn and flash it back while you have Satyr Firedancer in the sideboard for creature heavy matchups.

Wonder also if Dig through Time is better than O Command since you are putting spells in the graveyard each turn making easy delves and digging into burn to finish game seems great when you have to burn creatures early.

This list got 2nd at a WMCQ

[deck]
Instant (18)
1x Clash of Wills
3x Dig Through Time
1x Jeskai Charm
3x Lightning Strike
3x Magma Spray
4x Ojutai's Command
1x Stoke the Flames
2x Valorous Stance
Sorcery (2)
2x Roast
Land (26)
3x Battlefield Forge
4x Flooded Strand
2x Island
4x Mystic Monastery
2x Plains
4x Shivan Reef
3x Temple of Epiphany
4x Temple of Triumph
Creature (14)
4x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
4x Mantis Rider
4x Soulfire Grand Master
2x Stormbreath Dragon
Sideboard (15)
3x Anger of the Gods
3x Disdainful Stroke
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2x Mastery of the Unseen
3x Negate
1x Revoke Existence
2x Tragic Arrogance
[/deck]

and this deck top8'd one

[deck]
Land (25)
3x Battlefield Forge
4x Flooded Strand
2x Island
1x Mountain
4x Mystic Monastery
2x Plains
3x Shivan Reef
3x Temple of Epiphany
3x Temple of Triumph
Planeswalker (1)
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
Instant (17)
2x Dig Through Time
1x Dissolve
1x Jeskai Charm
3x Lightning Strike
3x Magma Spray
3x Ojutai's Command
1x Stoke the Flames
3x Valorous Stance
Creature (15)
4x Hangarback Walker
4x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
4x Mantis Rider
3x Soulfire Grand Master
Sorcery (2)
1x Roast
1x Tragic Arrogance
Sideboard (15)
3x Anger of the Gods
3x Disdainful Stroke
1x Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2x Mastery of the Unseen
1x Negate
3x Revoke Existence
1x Soulfire Grand Master
1x Tragic Arrogance
[/deck]


Pretty interesting 4 Hangar and 1 Tragic Arrogance mainboard. I saw Patrick Dickmann did that at GP london as well- the 1 Tragic main.

Neither deck with Rabble

I wanted to run it tonight at Wednesday night standard but couldnt get the last 2 insight so stuck with the GP london tweaked list.

It does seem good but not running Jace just seems crazy in its own right.

Doubt I will play it this weekend at PPTQ since I wouldn't feel super comfortable playing it compared to the typical Jeskai lists.

Ok cool we are on the same page.

LSV and Finkle/Shahar were all on the burn heavy version but I'm not a fan at all n think mono red is just better than that.

Hows Harbinger for you? Surprised most lists arent actually running it anymore. I was looking at Stratus dancer in that spot possibly.

Mono red mana issues(always screw or flood n hella mulligans) are pissing me off to the point I'm off it and onto Jeskai.

have you guys been testing the burn heavy version or creatures+command?

hahah so true.

I pulled one, traded for two and shelled out the cash for one at $30.

Two nearly identical Jeskai burn decks t4'd different regionals this weekend.

Reddit post from one of the guys https://www.reddit.com/r/spikes/comment ... th_jeskai/




[deck]Creatures (14)
4 Abbot of Keral Keep
4 Mantis Rider
2 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy

Lands (24)
2 Island
2 Mountain
1 Plains
3 Battlefield Forge
3 Flooded Strand
4 Mystic Monastery
3 Shivan Reef
3 Temple of Epiphany
3 Temple of Triumph

Spells (22)
4 Dig Through Time
3 Jeskai Charm
4 Lightning Strike
3 Stoke the Flames
1 Valorous Stance
3 Wild Slash
4 Exquisite Firecraft

Sideboard
2 Soulfire Grand Master
3 Disdainful Stroke
2 Negate
1 Keranos, God of Storms
3 Anger of the Gods
2 End Hostilities
2 Revoke Existence[/deck]

Think Id cut the Stance for the 4th Slash given that Red is gonna be very popular.

4-0 tonight with a hybrid version of my list from my IQ win and kevin jones baltimore list.

I think jeskai wins the gp.

Whats your list? I was just gonna roll with Kevin jones list but have been on RW the past few months.

i'd keep that

at 1 land 5 I guess you keep but the way you phrased it made it sound like it was a mull to 6.

"when I kept a shaky hand with only 1 land after a mull "

Don't keep 1 landers bro....this is not the deck for that.

Yep thats the deck he played against, Tokens are extremely good against Jeskai and Nate didnt draw any B-Light for the Obelisk of Urd

It was basically Strasky's list. I wanted to be as proactive as possible to beat Junk, which I did win all 4 rounds I played it.

So here is my report for the SCG Open.

About 450-500 people, 10 rounds of Swiss. Went 8-2 for 18th place and got $100 which is better than nothing.

Ran this list

[deck]
4 Mystic Monastery
3 Mountain
3 Flooded Strand
3 Temple of Triumph
3 Battlefield Forge
3 Shivan Reef
2 Island
2 Temple of Epiphany
1 Plains

17 CREATURES
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Hushwing Gryff
4 Mantis Rider
3 Ashcloud Phoenix
2 Stormbreath Dragon

4 Stoke the Flames
4 Lightning Strike
4 Jeskai Charm
4 Magma Jet
3 Banishing Light

SIDEBOARD
3 Disdainful Stroke
1 Anger of the Gods
3 Magma Spray
1 Gainsay
3 Prognostic Sphinx
3 Suspension Field
1 Dig Through Time
[/deck]

Round 1 - WIN vs UWR control- pretty easy and dragons too good.

Round 2 - LOSS vs G/b Devotion- Dude went on to top8(Stephan Jack) but I would have lost to any deck. I kept 2 land( 1 scry) and Magma Jet on the draw. Scryed all non-land to bottom(saw 6 total cards), missed 3rd land drop STILL and got ran over. Game 2 I had the opposite and scryed FOUR lands to bottom in my first 5 turns and still hit my first 7 lands drops. Think I cast 3 cards across both games.

Sucked balls getting a loss early but I battled back.

Round 3 - WIN vs Mirror Pretty easy win , finished both games over 12 life.

Round 4 - WIN vs Junk Midrange Just as expected, this version of the deck rapes junk. Wasnt really close either game as I ended both above 20.

Round 5 - WIN vs Junk Constalation Bwhaha Gyrff is pretty good against these decks lol. Though I fucked up and thought I could respond to his Doomwake off See the Unwritten but you cant....still won luckily.

Round 6 WIN vs Junk Midrange This one was a little closer, at least in game two , put him to 3 EOT and had to draw a burn spell and...lightning stike off the top!!

Round 7 LOSS vs Mirror Played a friend and ended up losing after I was way ahead becuase I had 2 riders and he got a second dragon I couldnt remove and only drew 2 burn spells the entire game. Game 2 I was stalled on 3 lands while he had 7 and lost all tempo. Oh and I got Deflecting Palmed twice.

Bye bye top8....time to get my money back.

Round 8 WIN vs Junk Midrange Yet another Junk deck...4-0 on the day I believe but this one was a lot closer and as I ended both games with myself at 5 life.

Round 9 WIN vs RUG Monsters Not very close..ended above 20 both games.

Round 10 WIN vs Mardu Aggro Mardu acendency and Butcher is legit and made for a lot of putting it on top of his library but he was taking 3 damage a turn off pain lands which made it pretty easy. Running 8 pain and 4 mana confluence waas just what I wanted to see.



Final Thoughts
So it wasnt the top8 I had been dreaming of, but considering I started 1-1 I am pretty happy with winning 7 of my next 8. Also going 4-0 vs Junk decks made me pretty happy.

Thoughts on the deck : Ashcloud wasnt really as good as I thought.... I usually didnt want to tapout turn 4 and idk he was just kinda meh...

Gyrff was fine, didnt really miss Rabble as I raped Junk all day. Phoenix was no part of that though.

I think 1 Phoenix may be fine but 3 felt way too much. I would rather have Dig or possibly Disdainful Stroke.

I sideboarded Stroke a ton but saw it once all day lol.

Rwcrapsy and me straight killed at the SCG Open.

We both had rough starts, me at 1-1 and him at 1-2 but didnt let that stop us.

I finished 8-2 and he finished up 7-3 losing in the final round.

Tournament report for me soon to follow.

Ran Straskys list.

Ok I think we are going a little overboard on the whole rabble sucks thing.

ITS A META CALL.

I am going to be running Gryff tomorrow at the SCG Open because my area has a hard-on for green.

I also went ahead and looked at SCG States for every State touching mine and also mine(Massachusetts).

The top 8's were 75% Junk decks/Devotion and very few Jeskia. There was at most 1 or 2 in top8 and some with 0.


Thus, I am going in hedging vs green decks and if I happen to run into mirror, so be it. I can lean on my burn experience from last season and I find myself strong in the mirror.

Thinking of cutting 1 Banishing Light(or 1 Dragon) and also cut 1 Phoenix for 2 Dig through Time.

In Staskys list that is.

Ugh man so torn between the Sperling list and Strasky list....

so much pressure to make the right choice with the Open in two days...

Nullify main seems like a beating on your mana.

Strasky is the man. Major props for him to helping us on reddit.

Love his teams idea to cut the card draw and just put actual threats. It is hard to do nothing that effects the board and tap out for a turn in the midgame unless you are both in topdeck mode.

yeah any hand with 2 of those is a mulligan and they suck as your first 3-4 draws.

Yeah I saw some decks running Stroke main.

Its not horrible but pretty crappy in the mirror.

Cut what for Firedrinker??

Why cant we discuss both here???

I'd say no to Firedrinker until more control decks pop up.

Also, control seems to be an excellenet matchup. Only reason it was bad before was Rev. Without Rev they cant really pull ahead and it gives you many turns to topdeck burn spells and kill them.
Aside from Resolute Archangel, fuck that card.

@Raspy-- Phoenix has been in my board for all the burn I have tried but I just have only played 1 matchup and didn't draw Phoenix.

Not sure how good he is outside of the control matchup or slower midrange decks.

Yeah sorry I was wrong, there is differences in the deck.

Didnt even notice that one had 24 land and 0 rabblemaster.

I'm running 22 land and 4 rabble obviously.

I made some changes to the TCG decks and then realized I was left with Zems exact deck lol

Most lists I saw are running 22 land.

Also, I found Chandra to be great in this deck since you have more early guys and more prowess.

Been playing past 4 hours and still have not dropped a game with Boros Burn, on cockatrice mind you.

So much more consistant than Jeskai omg..

Holy shit....straight raping on Cockatrice with the Boros Burn version. Not one competitive game yet.

Swiftspear and Searing Blood is the real deal.

Chained feels so much better now with lack of enchantment removal,counting for prowess(where it didnt for YP$) and also costing 1 mana in a world of expensive removal spells.

The mana is obviously way better, but no flying creatures, and forced to run Palm and Blood.

Here is also Zem's list from his CFB article.

[deck]
Lands
4 x Battlefield Forge
4 x Temple of Triumph
1 x Wind-Scarred Crag
11 x Mountain
2 x Plains
Creatures
4 x Goblin Rabblemaster
4 x Monastery Swiftspear
4 x Seeker of the Way
Noncreature Spells
3 x Arc Lightning
4 x Chained to the Rocks
2 x Chandra, Pyromaster
1 x Deflecting Palm
4 x Lightning Strike
4 x Magma Jet
4 x Searing Blood
4 x Stoke the Flames

Sideboard
1 x Arc Lightning
2 x Banishing Light
1 x Chandra, Pyromaster
2 x Erase
4 x Firedrinker Satyr
1 x Ride Down
4 x Satyr Firedancer
[/deck]

This exact burn deck has all the top8's on TCG player right now including top8 a 5k, and 2 top8 in same States and one that got 1st at a states.

[deck]
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Satyr Firedancer
4 Seeker of the Way

1 Chandra, Pyromaster

3 Arc Lightning
3 Chained to the Rocks
3 Deflecting Palm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Searing Blood
4 Stoke the Flames

4 Battlefield Forge
11 Mountain
4 Plains
4 Temple of Triumph
1 Wind-Scarred Crag
[/deck]

I feel you but since when is a 2-of considered large quantities?

I think you are singling palm out, you can think of shitty scenarios for any card.

What if you draw Magma Jet there? banishing light? Seeker of the way??

Yeah we all want to see 4 damage spells off the top later on in the game, but be realistic.

If its excellent vs giant green creatures, and there is a ton of giant green creatures in the format, and very little control, why not play it?
Also obviously amazing in the mirror.

Ina format where 90% of decks have Polukranos, Palm is good.

I would argue that

1) No one is expecting Palm game 1.
2) It can entirely change the way your opponent plays. They can make suboptimal lines based on if you have it or not.

How are we "leaning on it as our game-plan" when it is a 2-of?

I have yet to see someone recommend something better.

For 2 mana, it is often at least 3 damage to the dome, just like Skullcrack was.

Good call Jasper, its fucking insane in the mirror if you hit a Stoke or Charm.

Niche in a meta dominated by big green creatures and rabblemasters???

Plus game 1 no one will play around it, giving you huge blowout potential. People think it is in the board.

It is bare minimum Do 3 dmg to target player, gain 3 life.

It can easily be 4 or 5 damage.