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by Col. Khaddafi
Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:45 pm
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by Col. Khaddafi
Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:47 pm
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by Col. Khaddafi
Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:51 pm
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by Col. Khaddafi
Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:03 am
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GR rape cave appeal:

( G_R ) » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:55 pm wrote:My rape cave thread. No posts in the past 30+ hours, I guess he didn't like my last post:

Gaea's Regent wrote:Realmente te luciste esta vez Ben. Saltaste por todos los aros para sacarte una infracción de la manga. Debo conceder que se trata de la infracción más creativa que he visto en años. ¿Infracción por lenguaje inapropiado por poner un montón de emoticons? ¡Jajajajaja!

Gracias por demostrar mi punto Ben. No es posible tener una conversación con ustedes. Están tan seguros de que están en lo correcto, que no se dan cuenta de lo equivocados que están. Por algo Mario llama a este lugar la cueva de la violación. Jamás respondieron mis preguntas, jamás se sentaron a hablar conmigo. Solamente se dedicaron a repetir su
misma retórica de siempre, y cuando ya no pueden demostar que no están equivocados, sacan la famosa y omnipotente "discreción del moderador" y cortan toda comunicación.

Siento mucho que tengan tan pocos pantalones, y solo les comento que mis tres infracciones son una pendejada. La de tu mesa de ayuda quizás estuvo un poco cerca de la línea, pero las otras dos... ni cerca.

Están equivocados y por mucho que se esfuercen o que ignoren mis palabras, seguirán estando equivocados.

Gané.


ExpiredRascals wrote:I'll admit I actually had never seen the turn of phrase "pocos pantalones", but I think I got the gist.

GR, you had just been carded for morse code of "fuck" and then posted the same thing in Spanish (with a smilie in place of dots and rating in place of lines).

Maybe I'm not understanding where you're coming from. Like, if I were to post "chinga tu madre"* in binary, it's not
any more okay than in normal text. Also, when we founded the spanish language thread, part of it was that we'd both be attentive to inappropriate language in the thread ("joder" being included). Why does this change when it's in a different thread?

I'm here to listen to what you have to say. I'll be posting in English since my productive fluency in Spanish isn't what it could be, I don't mind if you prefer to post your side in Spanish.

[sub]*most offensive off-the-cuff phrase that I can think of in Spanish — granted my limited contact with that area of the language.[/sub]


Gaea's Regent wrote:Joder is not censored. There is a previous discussion in tgitokt regarding "strong" words in non-English that pretty much concluded that nobody cares because it isn't the language understood by most members. The Cuban Room rule is therefore not applied in a non-Spanish setting. Joder has a different meaning in Guatemala that is not translated
as **** but tease. After the Morse thing I made a question and got an infraction instead of an answer.


Gaea's Regent wrote:No fair, you can edit but I can't. Anyway, my phone ate the rest of that post.

Here's an [url="http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2669204&p=13517201#post13517201"]explanation by this very excellent poster[/url] about the word joder in my country.

About my infractions:

  1. Talore and his "I'm not going to play" attitude, and Nai's "Appeal denied" stamp left no room for discussion. I know about the moniker and you guys do too. But I had legitimate reasons to want to keep that story on a thread, and only people who had Gutter access a year ago knew about that, until Talore told everyone in his helpdesk.
  2. I thought helpdesks were a bit more laid back, especially when you have a history of being friendly with the moderator in question.
    I just tried to prove the point that you had to use a translator in order to know what the words were, and Jay13x was kind enough to provide a translation, thank you very much. Conversation could have continued from there, but there were no more posts and just red-colored stuff instead. I didn't argue that infractions, because once you labeled it "trolling" I am baffled because I never know what trolling is or isn't in the context of MTGS.
  3. Which leads us to the last one. In the translated text I purpotedly used the example with the word joder because I "knew" that it was a word that I could post without getting carded. It's not that I was wrong, it's that you are.


ExpiredRascals wrote:
Gaea's Regent wrote:Joder is not censored. There is a previous discussion in tgitokt regarding "strong" words in non-English that pretty much concluded that nobody
cares because it isn't the language understood by most members. The Cuban Room rule is therefore not applied in a non-Spanish setting. Joder has a different meaning in Guatemala that is not translated as **** but tease. After the Morse thing I made a question and got an infraction instead of an answer.


Gaea's Regent wrote:No fair, you can edit but I can't. Anyway, my phone ate the rest of that post.

Here's an explanation by this very excellent poster about the word joder in my country.


So it's able to be used with the same broad options as "f[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]ck", such as "Don't f[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]ck with me", but the author themself concedes that it's still quite vulgar slang.

Also, I couldn't find the foreign language vulgarities discussion that you mentioned in
TGITOK (Unless you meant the "bollocks" discussion of british slang?). If you can remember the specific subject matter, I don't mind delving through again, but my searches didn't turn up anything.

About my infractions:

1. Talore and his "I'm not going to play" attitude, and Nai's "Appeal denied" stamp left no room for discussion. I know about the moniker and you guys do too. But I had legitimate reasons to want to keep that story on a thread, and only people who had Gutter access a year ago knew about that, until Talore told everyone in his helpdesk.


Nai has upheld this, and given how transparent the allegory of that story was, I don't disagree with him. I'm sure you consider me biased, and I suppose there's a reason why I wasn't the one to handle that appeal, but I'd have this outlook even if it were a random other entity being targeted.

2. I thought helpdesks were a bit more laid back, especially when you
have a history of being friendly with the moderator in question. I just tried to prove the point that you had to use a translator in order to know what the words were, and Jay13x was kind enough to provide a translation, thank you very much. Conversation could have continued from there, but there were no more posts and just red-colored stuff instead. I didn't argue that infractions, because once you labeled it "trolling" I am baffled because I never know what trolling is or isn't in the context of MTGS.


I assume we're to ignore the fact that you've been openly hostile towards me in recent memory.

But sure, I'll bite: what were you shooting to convey with that post?
And, assuming it was for a non-trolling reason, why would it not be against the second clause of the Bad Spelling/Grammar rules?

I don't mean to be coming at you hard here, I'm fine to have the
discussion, I just mean to cover everything rather than it feel like I'm springing stuff on you bit by bit.

3. Which leads us to the last one. In the translated text I purpotedly used the example with the word joder because I "knew" that it was a word that I could post without getting carded. It's not that I was wrong, it's that you are.


Could you explain what you mean here?


Gaea's Regent wrote:Posting joder is not infractable. It never has been. 99% of MTGS members have no clue of what that infraction was about.

Both infractions are contradicting each other. Galspanic labeled my post in your helpkesk as trolling, because it is in a code that is not easily understood without the help of a translator (unless you work as a telegrapher).

Then you hit me for inappropriate language, even tough my post can only be interpreted as such if you are trying to. And you tried really hard, didn't you?
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Col. Khaddafi » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:00 pm wrote:We should totally make a "best rape cave post/thread" category for this year's razzies.


( G_R ) » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:04 pm wrote:
ExpiredRascals wrote:
Gaea's Regent wrote:Posting joder is not infractable. It never has been. 99% of MTGS members have no clue of what that infraction was about.

Both infractions are contradicting each other. Galspanic labeled my post in your helpkesk as trolling, because it is in a code that is not easily understood without the help of a translator (unless you work as a telegrapher).

Then you hit me for inappropriate language, even tough my post can only be interpreted as such if you are trying to. And you
tried really hard, didn't you?


MTGS doesn't allow swearing on-site. It doesn't change if you take the nearest translation of another language and use that in place of the English word. Also, I'd argue that you specifically were aware of joder's standing, since you helped write the book on how the staff would handle Spanish. Posting inappropriately in Spanish outside the Spanish thread doesn't make a difference regarding whether it's inappropriate.

Also, the intentional impediments to readers were obvious as well, and fell afoul of two branches of the main forum rules (the "make an effort to use readable English" part of the bad spelling/grammar rule, and the trolling rule).

You can call it what you will, but both cards are upheld.


Gaea's Regent wrote:Except I didn't post the word joder, but a bunch of smileys. It takes a certain kind of person to take the trouble to decipher the code to check if
a rule has been "broken". Thanks again for proving me right. Keep justifying yourselves, you're still wrong.
by Col. Khaddafi
Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:48 am
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probably covered by the most creative suspension/banning? I can do most creative infraction/suspension/banning
by Col. Khaddafi
Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:33 am
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I actually have none since I made an oath never to appeal in the Rape Cave, but it might be a good contest if Kaits, GR and others would play along and post their own appeals
by Col. Khaddafi
Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:28 am
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Best Rape Cave appeal award? y/n
by Col. Khaddafi
Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:22 am
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Well, I've completed the nominations, but I'm down for putting other awards up for voting if someone has some fun ideas

I now have to dug up some quotes, there's way too much shit this year
by Col. Khaddafi
Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:08 am
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maybe we should have a "Technician of the Year Award" for a DTR-centric razzie. I'd nominate Onar
by Col. Khaddafi
Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:11 am
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by Col. Khaddafi
Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:42 pm
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