Dies to Removal

Slowpoke

I've been keeping up with the thread, but literally nothing has been happening. My vote remains.

Slowpoke

Very possible

Slowpoke

eh probably. I'll get back to you on that.

aaaaand now my vote is serious.

Slowpoke

Vote: TubeHunter

Bitch.

Slowpoke

he was the one-shot bulletproof.

again, reading is difficult

Slowpoke

Reading is difficult.

Slowpoke

unvote slowpoke
vote void

Why the quick vote then unvote? So you believe my claim now?

Slowpoke

And nothing happened to/with TubeHunter last night.

Slowpoke

I targeted you, TubeHunter.

I was going to target Stardust, but I second-guessed myself. Damn it.

Slowpoke

TubeHunter, what the shit.

Slowpoke

I mean, maybe not. If we are confident that either imopen2 and/or TubeHunter are scum then this plan is fine

Slowpoke

wait if imopen really wants us to believe he is town then he should hammer himself, no?

Slowpoke

I still wanna kill imopen, though D:

Come on guys he's faking. That claim is contrived as hell. He doesn't even use the right role name.

That's what it says in my PM.

Slowpoke

In other news, can we lynch imopen2 yet?

Slowpoke

I read the entire TBGTE, and I am a know all.

Slowpoke

-.- literally as I was posting that.

Slowpoke

Oh, and the small amount of flavor.

Slowpoke

Literally the only other thing in my role PM is the victory condition.

Slowpoke

Let me save you (and everyone else) the trouble.

I am Manasjap, Town Lurker. Once per night, I can target a player and see who that player targets as well as who targets that player.

Slowpoke

@Iso: What "cookie jar" do you think I got caught stealing from?

Slowpoke

I said it was the scummiest thing anyone had done so far. The fact that there were so many votes already there made it scummier than the other votes.

Slowpoke

What didn't you like about Iso's posts?

Also, if your vote on him was nothing more than random, then what trap were you laying for imopen later? You'd already made it pretty clear that you considered your vote without reason. If that's the case, then where's the trap?

Mod! Vote that Checkbox replace Slowpoke in-game. It'll make things easier for everyone.

Iso likes to use the role color in our PMs in his first posts (in KNM I mentioned I didn't think it was in the spirit of the game). Then he did it again, so I voted him again.

Before I got a chance to post after my vote, multiple people seemed like they were taking Iso votes seriously, and multiple people asked me why I "blindly" voted
without seeing what the scumslip was. I knew there wasn't actually one, but I wanted to see which of those people would keep following that thread.

My Kaze vote could've just as easily been on any of the people (CM, rezombad, imopen2 among them) who were misinterpreting the RVS votes. Kaze's blatant "I put the nth vote on him for no actual reason" was the scummiest thing anyone had done up until that point, so I voted him.

CursedPride then misinterprets my Iso vote as serious and starts my wagon.

I actually contradicted myself in post 127; I said my Iso vote was RVS while saying I voted him "because reasons" - then imopen2 engaged me about the vote so I kept the charade up seeing how long he would dive down the rabbit hole. The votes are so obviously RVS to me that anyone that didn't think they were I see as being up to something...

Slowpoke

I don't think Stardust's case is particularly strong, and I don't like rezombad's answers that much. I don't find either one scummy enough to move my vote from imopen2

Slowpoke

and bogs = bogus. I should proofread more

Slowpoke

the "Can you point out some of my overreactions" part of my above post is supposed to be inside the imopen2 quote, as he said that.

Slowpoke

K, here's the catchup post

imopen2 and CM are looking very scummy focusing on some very clear RVS votes
If they were so clearly RVS then why do (at least) three other players not see it that way. So your vote was RVS too?

This is where I first saw imopen2 in a scummy light. This is after I already explained why the votes in question were RVS, and he continues to focus on them without giving reasoning other than "it didn't seem that way at the time." I'm really not sure what he was trying to get at here, but I kept up the charade to see how far he would
go off the cliff.

Maybe I don't understand what RVS is. Maybe you could explain it to me? Kaze's definition seems to be any number of votes (even if it puts the person at L-1) as long as RVS hasn't ended yet. My question is: how are we supposed to know when RVS ends? To me, it ends when there is more than 1 (maybe 2) vote(s) on a person due to a reason. My vote on iso was RVS. Rezombad's vote was not (IMO) because he was pointing out a "scumslip." I didn't see a scumslip so I unvoted. 3 other people, besides Rezombad, voted for iso. THAT IS NOT RVS! How am I the one being dumb? You guys are all trying to say it was RVS now but to me it feels like an attempt at a quicklynch, or at least a very misguided sheeping of Rezombad. Maybe I missed the humor of this wagon somehow but I really don't understand where you guys are coming from.

n@slowpoke: this is what I see that you said above: "I voted Iso because reasons, I just didn't feel like sharing those reasons."

It is called RANDOM VOTING STAGE, not SECRET REASONS PHASE.

And boy did he jump right off. Overreacts like crazy, continues to call rezombad's vote NOT RVS even though rezombad himself admitted he had no idea whether or not what Iso did was scummy.

Well, it wasn't "random", persay - but I did not vote him because I thought he was scummy and wanted him lynched.
How am I supposed to know that? What is the point of this game if we take people's word on whether they were
serious or not? What is scummy about me questioning you? I maintain that the votes following and including Rezombad's did not seem to be in the spirit of RVS. I'm not saying that makes all of you scum, but the idea that you guys can place 3rd, 4th, and (almost) 5th votes on people and then simply claim "RVS" is silly to me. I will read the article that kaze posted when I am not at work and perhaps it will change my mind, but that's how I see things right now.

"poor me, how am I supposed to know what you were thinking?!"

because this is mafia, that's the entire game. What is scummy about you questioning me is the fact that your questions have already been answered.

@Iso: My initial vote on you was just because I don't like your first posts. I also wanted to see everyone react to the additional pressure despite it being an RVS vote; we all clearly got some great information from that wagon.
What information did you get from it?

You're not getting free reads that easy.

At least I got my obligatory "accuse Iso of being scum" post out of the way.

I hate hate hate this post.

@Slowpoke:

- Why the jump on my wagon? You gave
no reasoning at the time of your vote.
- Why do I sound truthful as of post 125? I must have made an impression upon you since it was enough to make you unvote me. Yet, you give no real reasons.
- I must disagree with 127. RVS should be taken seriously as should all of the game. Accountability and all that jazz.
- Talk to me about imopen. If you're town, you should be appealing to your fellow townies. Instead, you basically stick your tongue out at me.

- The jump on your wagon was because you wagon jumped for seemingly no reason. Then you explained yourself.
- The fact that you finally focused on hunting scum rather than OMGUSing helped your case quite a bit there.
- I may just be a n00b, but the reactions to RVS votes seem far more important than the votes themselves.
- imopen reasoning found above.

tubehunter, wheat,
and slowpoke: you all have yet to answer my questions. please do

If you're talking about questions I haven't answered above, please re-ask or point me to them.

CM: Why did you let off of me that easy?

Can you point out some of my overreactions?

It's really amazing to me how so many people think I'm scum when I don't think I did anything scummy. Goes to show how much I still suck at this game I guess

I'm liking TubeHunter as Scum after his jump.

"Someone said one could be Town with other
being Scum. Let's lynch one and see what they flip" is not a Town mentality. If TubeHunter flips Scum, then I wouldn't be surprised if both Slowpoke and imopen2 are Town.

unvote
Vote: TubeHunter

I'm still willing vote for Murphy as well.

You're not wrong here, but he's certainly not the scummiest one around.

Stardust I was keeping the uncertainty there to see how far CM/imopen would follow their bogs "but they weren't RVS" push

Also, I DID get an answer before voting. Iso said "#rvsjokes". Whether or not I believed it is another question, but I did receive an answer before voting.

"It wasn't a real slip, etc" makes a lot of sense, because it is true. rezombad himself said he didn't know whether or not it was scummy, he was just in RVS with the rest of us. The fact that there are sample role PMs in the OP means whatever Iso did was intentional.

Also my
story never changed about my vote on Iso (as explained above). I wanted to see who would overreact, and imopen took that bait real hard.

So red, got any actuall reads? Anyone who you think is scum?
I get bad vibes from Void, Rezombad and Slowpoke.
I don't know if I want to add imopen2 to the list as well.

No strong reads from here, though.

What about you?

278 posts in and you have no strong reads?

Im not sure why agreeing with others is considered scummy.

I probably could've used some more tact, but my point still lines up with theirs.

Also, my play in mafia (at least so far) is based on gut feeling more than anything.

Im going to Unvote for now as I need to reevaluate some things. I feel like I am going about this all wrong and am missing some things I should be picking up on.

So rather than give any reasoning for your jump, you just unvote and backtrack? That doesn't make you look any less scummy.

Slowpoke

ill try and find time to catch up today

Slowpoke

@Iso: My initial vote on you was just because I don't like your first posts. I also wanted to see everyone react to the additional pressure despite it being an RVS vote; we all clearly got some great information from that wagon.

Slowpoke

your vote on iso didn't add anything to the game.

uh... what?

Slowpoke

Well, it wasn't "random", persay - but I did not vote him because I thought he was scummy and wanted him lynched.

Slowpoke

My Iso vote was RVS. My vote on you is not.

Slowpoke

So, you apparently have evidence and reason to find imopen scummy and...you won't share your reasoning with the town.

...kay.

Never said I wouldn't share (the evidence is there, I just don't want to point it out just yet). Also I'm not sure you're town, so I'm not going to handhold you through it at the moment.

You've done nothing but OMGUS your wagon; it seemed genuine townie at first, but the fact that you haven't given it up for legitimate scumhunting yet does you no favors.

Slowpoke

@imopen: I wanted to see how you'd react, and you did NOT disappoint.
Care to share with those of us following along at home?

I'd like to see you do some scumhunting of your own first.

Slowpoke

@imopen: I wanted to see how you'd react, and you did NOT disappoint.

Slowpoke

Unvote

Vote: imopen2

Slowpoke

Three other players...

...hey. How many scum are in a 12 player again? :O

le gasp

But seriously. My wagon is not a wagon to be pushed.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, eh?

You are not helping your case.

Slowpoke

imopen2 and CM are looking very scummy focusing on some very clear RVS votes
If they were so clearly RVS then why do (at least) three other players not see it that way. So your vote was RVS too?

I literally explained above why they were RVS votes. You haven't actually given a reason as to why they are not.

Slowpoke

imopen2 and CM are looking very scummy focusing on some very clear RVS votes

Slowpoke

Stardust did the same thing

I'm down.

Unvote, Vote Iso.

And I explained why previously

Slowpoke

RVS!

Vote Player: Rezombad

vote iso

scumslip

on to day 2.

k then. I thought there might've been something I was missing.

Vote: Iso anyways.

[quote="Kazekirimaru » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:45 pm":
3jk6lphv]Vote: Iso

So, guys. Wouldn't a mass name-claim be beneficial? It'd at least be a step in the right direction. If we're looking for Checkboxes, then the scum should all be Checkbox/Checkbox gimmicks, right?

Who's down?[/quote]

As a matter of fact, here is you taking RVS votes seriously:

k then. I thought there might've been something I was missing.

Vote: Iso anyways.
Did you just put the third vote on Iso as a joke?[/quote:
3jk6lphv]

Fourth, actually. But I'm going to

Unvote, Iso

Until Rezombad explains what the scum slip was. Or stardust for that matter.

Rezombad: this is your third(?) game, right? I'm new too but I don't see the scumslip. It looks like a joke.

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