Dies to Removal

QR_BBPOST Red could have publically announced the Devour of McDonalds, while secretly changing the target to someone else

I was totally expecting something like this.

Well done guys.

Ok let's do this.

Vote Scumbag

The game is almost ended, let's have some fun and visit planes we've never been before. I still keep my PW in case of emergency.

We also have the opportunity to walk to a pro-town plane.

Planeswalk

I'd like Pedro to hold onto his walk in case we end up somewhere unfriendly.

doing so since 2 days ago.

I took some time to Iso both Mcdonalds and Rednihilist posts. Came to some conclusions :
-They never accused each other of being scum.
-They have openly accused : rcw, jamie, scumbag, GR, Imopen2 and ria. For the dead players, none of them were actually scum.
-In the remaining alive players, they never accused me or ham or rez. I'm 100% confirmed town.
-Red tried to push Ham as Champion.

I know there is a conscensus that Rez and Ham are the most town player there, but those conclusions are really bothering me.

Rez claim please. Or at least give a good reason of not doing so.

GR:

I'm interested in hearing from Pedro about what happened to him on N2, since Col K claims to have been silenced N3.

I'm Gideon, I can redirect any bad ability during Night from a target to me.
Used on ria on Night1
Got silenced for Night2
Used on Rez on Night3

So, I lost all my abilities for the next day and night, all I can do is vote

If Pedro received notice that he had no ability for the next day and night, he wouldn't have attempted to use his bodyguard ability on N3.

If Col K's claim of being silenced includes a detail that can only come from a scum teammate's role PM, he's a dead man.

To be clear as possible without breaking the rules :
-Tubehunter/me used our ability N1, it resolved
-At the same time, someone has silenced me for the next Day and Night (D2 and N2), I couldn't also PW. Just vote.
-I have no clue if the silence was targetting me directly or it is the result of my redirect from Ria to me.

From what it seems, there is no added information in Scumbag claim that he wouldn't know from Stardust's PM.

I think Scumbag has been poisoned and he's now a rage guy.

*joking*

Im on a business trip, I will gather all information about the last 2 deaths tomorrow or the day after.

Could it also that Scumbag has been poisoned ? Do someone have a plan to verify that ?

GR, do you think Red's choice could be a good plan for scum ?

I mean scum killing McDonalds (80% scum) doesn't seem a good plan for a scum win.

Seems that we all have different opinion but the same option on rcw. What about all focus on him ?

Vote Mcdo

we still have a chance if there are only 2 scums.

Scumbag might be poisoned and fell in another side.

I'm more suspicious about Mcdonalds and rcw than Red.

Scumbag, can you public planeswalk and see if Stardust can confirm you've been silenced ?

sure, np

planeswalk

Thanks

Scumbag, can you public planeswalk and see if Stardust can confirm you've been silenced ?

People still able to planeswalk :

1. Mcdonalds
2. hamfactorial NOPE
3. RedNihilist
4. rezombad NOPE
5. rcwraspy
6. Pedrobear
7. Col. Khaddafi - silenced
8. ( G_R )

I'll keep mine. There also been a planeswalk privately submitted to Stardust (the one to Kamikaka)

At least we know that a plane like this exist and with some abilites we might be able to get in there if needed.

Red : it has already answered. We can be fucked by scum shenanigan consisting of : waiting for the last vote, planeswalk away, hammer the last vote and get a lynch instead of a Champion.

I also approve your point of view but we can also be completely wrecked if we champion a scum. Ham is 99% town but what if the 1% happens and chosen as Champion ?

I'm totally ok with it. Just set a good coordination up.

And it wasn't Scumbag claim but yours actually.

Goddamn I still have troubles with all your nicknames different from your usernames.

i'm lurking there all GMT+1 day time. We can do it without much risks. If I'm championed, I won't target someone without a consensus about it.

Or planeswalking away and do a normal lynch will come to the same conclusion, but we've wasted one planeswalk.

And we wouldn't want to stay on a plane where someone has an additionnal ability compare to all the others planeswalkers without knowing clearly if THAT player is scum or town.

My point is that with the information that has been presented (the name of the realm, flavor text and ability), we've no reason to assume it's super scummy, especially when the ability (depending on how you look at it) is pro town.

The only reason to assume it's scummy is if a)you're flavor gaming (which is normally a poor idea, and even in light of all the revealed roles being good guys, still largely is) or b) you have information about the setup

If Scumbag claim is correct, he has an ability linked to specific planes. I can imagine (and I think it's his line too) that if someone has Bolas roleplay, he might also have an ability linked to his own plane.
See also Chandra on Wildfire.

I'll wait for the hammer on myself or planewalk away if there is another private planeswalking + scummy vote on me.

Natural planeswalking can also be submitted by PM.

Oh you need to hammer someone while on the plane to gain this ability.

Misread the ability, that's blowing up my scheme.

Witchhunt, did you manage to use your Sunhome ability before dying ?

Same question to Ham, since N1 what are the results of it ?

And on the lynch on Jamie, he was the last one to vote

That was just a statement of the obvious.

I have the same gut for McDonalds. I just reread his posts, some were obvious answer questions and tried to corner people with it. If I were scum that what I would also do.

Yes.

I have no explanation on why Tube used it on Ria during Night 1. But for my part, it felt like Rez was probably going to be the target of something due to his active scum hunting.

I'm Gideon, I can redirect any bad ability during Night from a target to me.
Used on ria on Night1
Got silenced for Night2
Used on Rez on Night3

I'll stay there for emergency planeswalking. Still trying to understand what was the scenario of Night 1 when I did got silenced (not me, but Tube).

unvote

So Scumbag has the same issue I had last day, I'm going to follow you.

And also because he was against me even if I was almost confirmed town.

vote ( G_R )

Unless imopen2 is lurking while logged off and planeswalking in the mafia chat if allowed, or sending Facebook messages to Stardust, Pedro privately walked us away from Orzhova, which is what Occam's razor suggests.

So now we know exactly who's privately planeswalked away from Orzhova.

Vote Imopen2

Just to point out I am the bodyguard but was silenced last day.

Currently in Utrecht will post more on Monday asap.

Vote rezombad

That was a strange move and I have the feeling there's something else behind it, can you explain your decision ?

Opportunity cost.
Go ahead and read some more of the game and tell me someyhing new.

I now understand your decision, I just mean that your move should have been discussed before moving forward.

I actually like ria's plan, let's see how many PW (with some spare move in case of emergency) do we have left. I can't PW for the day unfortunately.

(this was based on last page discussion, godamm new forum version. Let me some time to analyse current page)