Dies to Removal

so I don't think I ever explained

I had suspicions of Red being scum when I saw he mailed imopen, who died, so I lied and said I mailed imopen to try and bait out an "oh, I mailed him too" from Red. I never actually mailed him. also, {G}{G}, tap, is the ability of the magic card, Tracker.

Wraith shoulda been auto-lynched for not adhering to the comment in the mail he received about Jack and claiming and such.

tl;dr:

gg scumteam

also also

it actually isn't that bad if I'm wrong, because we can still pretty much do the same plan since the good targets for bombs/blocks tonight help get some WIFOM/info out of the way.

so woo.

although we should wait til Night to actually pick. since if I was wrong, there's 2 scum and you probably won't hit the killer.

If Rez flips scum, roleblock Dechs or LMD. Red is town and if ham is bombing LMD there's not a whole ton of reason to block him, but it depends.

If I was wrong, roleblock... probably not MoJo since a) he's town but b) if I'm wrong there too, his ability looks like it goes through during Day.

it's fine, he's at L-2. 'sup CP? anything in particular you wanna chat about?

I think your read on MJ is wrong and I don't get what associative tells rcw had w/ Rez that 'bumped him up'.

if scum wanted a low info kill, they could have killed... I dunno, Lord_M or Dechs or someone. Not imopen who highly suspected Rez d1.

like I have never been so confident that we can win this game and I'm going to be mad if we throw it all away and waste a lynch on a probably town PR

I have been the closest to confirmed as town (other than CP duh) and I led a lynch on scum D1 and I am incredibly confident that if the town follows my line of thinking that we can have a near-perfect town win.

the only reason you shouldn't be listening to me right now is if you think I'm scum

whoever does think I'm scum should speak up

also if I'm wrong I'll sheep whatever dumbfuck wagon you guys want to do tomorrow, just gimme one more chance to hit scum

we're also not lynching CP because he is town

mostly because I'm town tho

see LMD just claimed VT

we lynch rez, bomb the counterwagon to scum to eliminate that WIFOM. We could also bomb someone else by PoE but that's a worse play.

so we're not lynching/bombing:
me because I'm town
CP because I'm town
Jack because he's most likely town (also kinda confirmable I guess?)
Red because he's most likely town
MJones (srsly) because he's most likely town
ham because he's claimed a vig role, we test it tonight and make sure we leash it (in case of extra scum kill or SK, but a one-shot vig in a 12p 9:3 setup seems pretty town - 7:3 and 5:3 are the next ratios for D1/D2 mislynches, leading to an NL D3 OR a one shot kill of sorts)

leaving: LMD, Rez, Dechs, Wraith

Wraith doesn't get bombed because he randomly claimed Roleblocker
Rez gets lynched because someone died who suspected him when no one was listening to said deadplayer, and there was no other reason for his death[/
b]
LMD or Dechs gets bombed, I have more of a townread on Dechs and bombing LMD eliminates the WIFOM of 'counterwagon to scum' which is literally my only argument for not wanting LMD dead.

and since LMD's Vanilla it's better to bomb him than Dechs for the moment, although depending on the lynch/NKs I think there should be a massclaim tomorrow especially if rezzy is scum which he is.

*doubt that play (of killing imopen) makes sense otherwise

I seriously feel like Occam's Razor states we lynch the person who the nightkilled target suspected, because I doubt that play makes sense. Like, I don't think imopen was some sort of PR hunt and there were way townier players on the wagon.

If we lynch Rez and he flips town, ham should bomb LMD so we can get a better idea of the rcw/LMD/nonvoters D1.

I really don't get why MoJo is a good lynch here.

What's the scum motivation for CM to say "I'm not getting lynched with this role" and for MJ to come in, hammer, and use his action in-thread.

hi I'm here. (b' ')b

Don't see why we're voting Jack, don't see why people are still voting him. Especially considering Wraith is leading the wagon.

I really don't need to post a list of questions.

p.s. - going to NC for 9ish days starting tomorrow. I'll try to keep up in activity but it will definitely be less than usual for about two weeks.

I didn't really ask you any questions that need answering, I don't think, but it is a big list of reasons why I think you're scum.

oh I guess that last post has questions.

Post ??? - vote Wraith

because you mentioned a SK

Not because of his terrible push on LMD yesterday then switching to rcw last-minute? That's your only reasoning?

What happened to red being scum?
What happened to LMD being scum?
What happened to Jack being scum?
What happened to ham being - oh you're voting ham now. ok.

the pic doesn't do much but it's nifty. p.s. - Rez was voting LMD end of day, ignore my point earlier about him not voting either. my bad.

if scum has to be jack/wraith why did you unvote wraith and
not revote jack?

reading is tech. "let's say it's an alltown wagon". I'm assuming that no scum was voting rcw yesterday for the moment.

I'd comment on other things (and yeah, ham not testing MJ's ability is weird) but I'm worn out.

Here and here he goes back on LMD, still not explaining himself.

This post is funny with an rcw scumflip.

And I'd think that the night kill gives you just as much to go on as a mis-lynch. Just look at who the dead guy was most suspicious of.

[quote="rezombad » Mon May 12, 2014 9:57 am":
rsmfceiy]Allow me to ramble

Would scum kill the person that showed the most suspicion toward them or would they kill someone who was vocal against someone who is town?[/quote]

Am I even remotely going the right direction here?

I feel like I could go in circles forever.

If scum kills Rez and he's on LMD's case really hard, then it makes LMD look like scum. So scum wouldn't actually do that if LMD were scum, so that makes LMD look like town. But they'd know we'd be thinking that, so that makes LMD look like scum. But they'd know we might think that far ahead...

I just wanted to quote this given the rcw scumflip.

Post 11 - "Where's the scum motivation from me?"

Well, since you asked... I did say earlier I didn't see rezscum because he started a huge fight with ham and dragging yourself into town spotlight isn't always good.

However, when most of your case is based on your top scumspect being self-aware and defensive, questions like these seem hypocritical at best.

The scum motivation from rez is that he wants to jump onto a wagon to push a mislynch. Simple. Ham, assuming he's town since I'm assuming Rez is scum (this is not a fallacy, since we're talking about finding scum motivation), would be an easy target since he's being self-aware, joking about, etc. The logic rez is using is easy to push with, and he tends to use every single post ham has made and twist it to be scummy in order to hammer
the point home.

The scum motivation for acting as such allows the player to not comment much on any other ongoings and force a tunnel on his target. If the target gets lynched, it allows the player to 'collect' his reads and move on to another, either by doing the same thing, or faking confusion/uncertainty later and sheeping. This also distracts the town from hunting anywhere else if the player is vocal enough about his target.

The town motivation, conversely, is to continuously pressure one possible member of the scumteam.

Which side of the argument has more substance?

Post 12 - "I wouldn't be surprised if Red wasn't town" was the original post. Actually, the reverse of this is "I wouldn't be surprised if Red was scum.", and I don't like rez's attempt to 'fix' the 'double negative'. He continues in [url=http://diestoremoval.com/
viewtopic.php?p=217656#p217656]this post[/url] and it comes off as misrepping. I don't find that townie at all.

imopen calls rez out on this actually, if you read the surrounding context. I don't like the post in response to this actually, the 'don't respond to questions not being asked of you' comes off as 'don't expose that I'm using terrible logic' to me.

Didn't rez answer a question earlier directed at someone else and rcw called him out on it? Huh.

He then votes Jack and FoSes imopen, which I find incredibly defensive. Also not liking how he tunneled on ham all of D1. Then he moves onto Jack. Then immediately moves off and back onto ham. And then moves back onto Jack after the ham wagon starts losing traction... with bad reasoning and 'suspecting' the player calling him out on his shit.

Post 13 - "I FoSed you just to bait."

... Yeah.

Post 14 - "I like lmd for scum, and have since the first page"

I SWEAR TO GOD IF REZ FLIPS SCUM WE'RE RUNNING LMD UP A FLAGPOLE.* Wasn't rez not voting LMD or rcw at the end of D1? *puts on tinfoil hat*

"Ham is probably fine for now." - what?!

*he does vote LMD the second LMD requests replacement... that seems kind of odd if they're both buddies, so maybe nvm.

Post 15 - "I voted you back on p1 because you were pinging me."

rez explains his reasoning for calling LMD scum every so often, which actually explains nothing. "There are probably more than one scum so saying I can't suspect more than one person is nonsense. And saying reads
can't change is also nonsense." just seems like a defensive, accusatory response that doesn't really explain anything. Rez has never really said why LMD is scum, other than lurking. I don't like this.

He says he's gonna case LMD here. Waiting.

Post 16 - content!

Wraith and Jack thrown back into null. ham/imopen/LMD are null-scum.... and now Red is scum.

I don't know if I can make it farther, but maybe something later will make me think rez is town.

Post 1 - Ham/LMD scum, CM/imopen town. Seems weird or arbitrary, but nothing much of note for the moment.

Post 2 / Post 3 - his reasoning for ham being scum is for spamming during RVS, which I think is more of a nulltell. He votes ham for being self-conscious in addition to the previous reasoning, which again I don't find a scumtell? I could see laying down the vote for pressure or for easy-to-explain reasoning.

Post 4 - "Yeah, vote stays" in
response to ham saying the RVS spam "might be, might not be" scummy. Not exactly helpful reasoning...

Post 5 - ham offers a counter, rez repeats himself. I don't find this to be a very townie way of going about voting here. It's kind of tunnel-y and comes off very forced.

Post 6 - ham comments that Z has been mad at rez for being terrible, an understandable comment regardless of alignment given that dealing with someone tunneling you is frustrating, I've been there. Saying 'way to overreact and then start mudslinging' is just coming off as using buzzwords to push a lynch to me.

Post 7 - interaction with rcw that is honestly kinda null.

[url=http://diestoremoval.com/
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2548&p=215460#p215460]Post 8[/url] - "Rev up those chainsaws" seems like an awfully defensive reaction to Wraith voting him. Not liking it.

Post 9 - content!

'Sarcasm is scummy' - it isn't. Also, I really don't get the logic here, it seems forced. Being sarcastic =/= being vague. I don't like this at all.
'It doesn't help catch scum' - neither does tunneling on one player? He switched his vote to Jack but didn't explain it (and switches back in this post).

'Slip?' - not liking the mention of this, especially given Wraith's post was at 3:30pm, and if this was anything near a serious suggestion it's terrible. Also, the explanation in parentheses throws me off. It's something scum like to do; explain themselves constantly when it doesn't really matter. rcw did it a lot, look at my 'case' on him and you'll
find a few examples.

His response to Wraith, again, overdefensive.

Now, he unvotes Jack. He voted him in a previous post I didn't link here, but I'm going to go back and check the context for that. Rez and Wraith jumped on Jack for a post about the game dynamics. Rez comes back 4 hours later w/ reasoning (Information Instead of Analysis), which I think is kind of a misuse of that word.

The thing I don't like is that he calls Wraith's vote on Jack bad, says he's pinging him but less so, but implies Wraith is scum with stuff like his 'slip' or Wraith's vote on rez. I don't feel right about this.

He keeps pressing ham-scum here and here.

[url=viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2548&p=216622#p216622]Post 10 - ham PBPA[/
url]

- Reasoning for thinking post 2 is scummy seems bad/forced.
- The asking-CM-thing... I don't know how Rez interpreted it like that, but he did.
- 'Why am I scum' is not necessarily indicitive of being worried how you look to others. Things like hesitance in voting are. Asking why someone's voting you is simply asking for reasoning, which to be fair, Rez did not give in his first post. Calling someone scum and then calling them scum for asking why is... kinda bad actually.

Stuff like this just continues, and is pretty much standard tunneling. But it feels to me like scummy, forced tunneling in a way and I'm not liking it.

My only other read that I care to have right now is LMD being kind of scummy and lurking hard. Ill work on a few questions for him later today to try to engage him depending on the responses I get from this post.

This pinged me though, in the vein of scum overexplaining like I said above.

I'm trying very hard to look at every
post neutrally but it's difficult. tl;dr is there's a lot of tunneling and seemingly forced logic going on with rez. I can't tell if that alone is town or scum, but I am getting some slight scumpings with how he's worded things, and some of his reads (calling Wraith scum yet null, his weird switch on/off Jack, noting LMD but not engaging, etc.)

More coming.

rez, you should probably post thoughts of your own before addressing my case, since you're all caught up and whatnot. Mostly because I'm aware it's WIFOM and you won't have much to say in defense anyway.

Before I get into ISOing rez to see if I can find anything more... concrete, here's a quick post.

MJ, don't get snarky with me. You should care because I'm town, you're presumably town, and town working together to find scum is helpful. Mafia 101. Hell, Red's post earlier on this page is the reason I decided to take a look at Rez. Listen to other townies' opinions, it helps sometimes.

SEGUE TIME

So I noticed that Red said he doesn't have the time to look through imopen's posts. So I figured I'd take a look at both him and rcw. I read through rcw first and noticed a few things.

- rcw pushed on Red a lot yesterday. When the wagon dissipated, he gave up. The manner in which he pushed Red and later backed off makes Red town as fuck, which is good because I was suspecting him for a moment there. Actually, Red is more likely town than LMD because scum pushing a player is more clearing than being a counterwagon
to scum. Usually.
- he has interesting interactions with Rez.

This post, where he calls out two of rez's reads (imopen and LMD), almost arbitrarily. He doesn't mention ham or CM - not mentioning ham is notable given the ham/rezzy feud, as not commenting on that read means he doesn't have to commit. The thing I found weird even when I read it the first time (when I made my case on rcw), was that he paused to ask this question in a new post (see here).

This post, his main comment on the Rez vs Ham kerfuffle. He doesn't actually give a read on Rez here. Read it over a few times.

This post, where he comments on imopen's 3p scumlist. The list consists of me, Rez and Red. He says "I don't have Pie on my scum list right now", which implies he doesn't have a problem lynching the other two. Right? Well, we know he wants to lynch Red given his posts yesterday. But why Rez? Didn't he say he could see ham/rez being town-on-town?

Maybe he's developing a 'scumread', he tells imopen he's coming around to the idea of a Rezlynch, but that language seems like he's avoiding giving a full commitment again. There IS a wagon on rez at this time, too. But again, he said he could see it being town
vs town... wondering what changed his mind. Oh well, he was scum and he's dead.

"But Pie, why are you using WIFOMy stuff from dead-scum to make your vote on rez?"

It's not just that. It's more WIFOMy stuff, from everyone's favorite dead townie: imopen2. He's probably cheering at me from the deadthread for listening to his read. Shut up, imopen.

Here is his ISO. Skim through it, real quick. There's nothing of note you need to read into. See how many times he wants to, or does, vote Rez? Rez was a huge suspect of his, and imopen died.

"PIE. THAT'S WIFOM. imopen could have been killed because they thought he was a PR."

Not the smart kill to make when you have a mail-Watcher your buddy pushed on, whatever-the-fuck MJ is, and an Innocent Child. It's like Thoughtseizing over Hero's Downfall when you're staring down a Polukranos and a
Stormbreath Dragon and you get the idea.

"He could have been killed because he was the towniest vote on the wagon!"

Why am I not dead, then? Or Red? imopen switched to rcw with a very 'meh' attitude; I think there were more townie players on the wagon.

"He could have been killed to frame rez!"

Here it is.

Analyzing NKs is tricky, and most people stay away from it. The meta of ignoring NKs allows scum to quietly take out threats to their team because anyone analyzing the NK gets yelled at "IT'S WIFOM". This situation is interesting, though. Occam's Razor says the simplest reason for imopen's death was because he suspected Rez. Either this is true, or the scumteam wants to frame him.

If rez is scum, this is a good play. If rez is town, scum gain the ability to frame rez for the kill. However, most of today's discussion has revolved around players on the rcw wagon, as that's how things usually go. I'm wondering, why would scum kill imopen to frame rez but
then not bring it up at all today? They should know town would hunt on the wagon. But no one's brought it up. Interesting.

Framing rez also comes with the added bonus of pulling attention off hunting on the rcw wagon. Given I PoE'd townreads all over the wagon earlier, assuming my reads are right this supports my theory - why pull attention off the wagon when there's all town on the wagon?

So basically, since no one has come forward trying to wagon rez (until me, I guess) for imopen dying, it leads me to believe there was another reason for his death. Going back to my process of elimination, it just leaves imopen being a threat to Rez.

Sidenote - at the very least, if I'm wrong, rez's lynch gives us a lot of info to work with - eliminates an off-the-wagon scumspect, confirms him as town which may help in rereading the rez/ham arguments, gives possible more insight into the scum NK last night... there's more substance here than, say, a Dechs lynch for an off-the-wagon
vote example.

Anyway, sorry for the mini-wall. I know this is a lot of WIFOM, but it's my full thought process for beginning to suspect rez. I'm going to clear my head for a bit, and later tonight I'll ISO Rez and try not to have any confirmation bias. If I can't find anything, this will look a bit silly. If I find some things... this is a nice supporting argument.

ebwop: MJ, again (thought I said this before): Wraith doesn't literally mean I'm a Kingmaker, it was just a figure of speech, he does that a lot.

MJ, I feel that ham is a bad vote at the moment.

I'll make another longish post tomorrow to explain this, but I do want to get this vote down:
vote rezombad

unvote

The thing I don't get about Jack, Red, is that he switched from LMD to rcw when the wagons were 4:4. I don't get why he'd do that as scum.

so I'm town, Red can be town. C_P is duh!town. If Jack is town and Wraith is town Roleblocker and CM/MJ is town... that's an all-town wagon. the thing that's bugging me is why would Wraith randomly claim a roleblock early D1 if he was scum (probably a scum roleblocker if he was fakeclaiming).

I think scum HAS to be in Jack/Wraith... I like Jack's play a bit better but I'm hesitant to lynch Wraith tbh. Ugh.

Let's say it's an all-town wagon. Remaining players: rezombad, Dechs, ham, LMD. LMD was the counterwagon to scum... but LMD wasn't voting rcw yesterday? rcw also wasn't voting, but since he's conf-scum I'm not touching that WIFOM.

Dechs replaced Suga, I'm getting newbtells from his slot now. I remember not liking Suga early
yesterday, but Suga parked his vote on rcw D1 when he had the chance to join other wagons, yeah? Although, Dechs did move the slot's vote to LMD eventually... Argh.

And ham/rezzy I thought was townVtown. I remember ham being townish-self-aware and rezzy tunneling on ham doesn't seem like a good move as scum.

I'm actually stumped at this point.

But I think we actually hunt off-the-wagon today...

fullclaim, now. flavor? unlimited shots?

I don't like this.

if you're going to claim, you had best fullclaim. especially if you're on the potential chopping block for today.

alright so:
LMD was counterwagon to scum so he's clear
[/quote:
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Could you explain this?

game was stalling with votes being even on two players. I believe that LMD is town because rcw flipped scum. is it possible they're scum together? yeah. I don't think it's likely: Occam's Razor.

more fun facts - LMD is more-town if Wraith is town. : if LMD was scum, scum would most likely have him submit the kill since being the counterwagon to rcw yesterday 'confirmed' him as town. thus they would probably use LMD to submit the NK. this is more speculation than anything though.

@Red: oh? why didn't you say so earlier? also what did you mail him because I'm curious.

Pie, it bothers me that you're trying to clear people that just doesn't feel right. You're also going back and forth a lot in those posts, correcting yourself. At best, it's impulsive and at worst it's intentional
distractions (i.e. scummy). I'm going to go with impulsive because if I remember correctly, you actually started the shift in wagon over to Rcw. That's pretty vindicating. Maybe just settle down and think a lot more before you post because it's getting hard to know what to trust from you.

don't make me suspect you now

also I know what I'm doing.

re: your vote on MJ, go back and read my exchanges w/ Captain Murphy (same slot). do you think scum would breadcrumb a role such as theirs (if you recall, they used a neat power end-of-day yesterday).

lynching lurkers is okay if you have the advantage but I wouldn't call one scum lynched 'advantaged'. maybe if we get another one lynched today, but even then I'm always a bit skeptical on lynch-all-lurkers.

Pie is either definitely town (most likely) or just really, really
good at looking like it. There's strong town mindset in pretty much everything he posts, and it's pretty much impossible to keep up a false mindset when posting stream-of-consciousness like that.

not impossible. maybe a bit trickier, but I've faked it as scum before (oh no I'm being self-aware (oh no I'm being self-aware)).

I wouldn't say I'm the best player, I'm usually pretty bad <_<

re:Red "nobody is ever cleared" oh shut up. duh doy no one's 100% cleared, but I think when things hit a certain point you can eliminate them from a lynch pool. I hate this line of thought.

Wraith didn't you vote rcw because of the questions I asked him and his lack of response; that doesn't seem like a 'read of your own'.

@MJ: Wraith uses interesting terms sometimes, I think he meant to call me the 'town leader' of sorts.

[pedit] Wraith are you seriously trying to paint me as scum when I'm currently voting you and deciding if I want
to make you dead

that seems like a bad idea but if you're scum pls continue

besides, with 3 confirmed town on the front end of the wagon, Jack is still in a bad spot for switching onto the fifth vote. scum might be a bit more wary if there's another option still open.

because he could just lurk back and force a NL, or worse a ML. town is in the same position tomorrow even if Jack is more suspected for it, which is bad for town.

it's not 100% cleared, but I'm trying really hard to PoE this.

right, Wraith mailed him.

I also missed that Wraith claimed Roleblocker and why the fuck would you RB LMD he was the counterwagon to scum

fullclaim, now. flavor? unlimited shots?

almost forgot: who else sent mail to imopen btw? I'm too lazy to check back but I know someone did

if we lynch scum correctly again and the scum kill me off because I'm 2gud, someone please just remember my reads. like I could be wrong but I think trying to eliminate via PoE is a strong strategy at the moment and I'm probably on the right track.

there's a few things bugging me still but I think I'll get those answers by the end of Day.

if Jack was scum he could have stayed on LMD, especially with Wraith eventually voting LMD would have resulted in LMD at L-2.

I also forgot he kinda newbtowntelled earlier yesterday, whoops.

alright so:
LMD was counterwagon to scum so he's clear
Jack is clear for switching to a scumwagon
Red is also clear for ^
I'm clear because reasons
C_P is clear
MJ is clear because reasons*

leaving:
Wraith
Dechs
ham
rezzy

*CM said "I'm not being lynched w/ this role" when I pressed him, then looking @ MJ's 'action' yesterday confirms the breadcrumb there (it's why I backed off CM yesterDay). also for coming in and being like "yeah sure let's lynch [scum] or whatever"

Wraith is the most likely scum on the rcw wagon (I have a hard time believing that was an all-town wagon since it came out of nowhere and stalled w/ LMD being a counterwagon at end-of-day. Once the push came from Red/Jack
and MJ threatening a vote, Wraith putting rcw at L-1 makes sense. especially considering the terrible pushing on Jack+LMD.

last scum is in Dechs/ham/rezzy probably, but I dunno because I got townvibes off ham+rezzy D1 so that means I'm wrong on a read somewhere.

also: right now it's 8:2. ML would bring us to 6:2, then to 4:2. so we have ~3 chances to hit one scum, seems do-able.

actually it was Jack, not LMD.

Lord_Mcdonalds (5): Jack, rezombad, Dechs Kaison, hamfactorial, RedNihilist
rcwraspy (3): InflatablePie, Cursed_Pride, imopen2

then Red jumps back on rcw, which I guess he has no reason to do as scum

same with Jack actually, hmm.

unvote

oh and then Wraith jumps on LMD

he does jump back on rcw but at this point he's at L-2 and CM's replacement (MJ) has said "hey let's lynch rcw", then Wraith comes in and finally acknowledges my post. so that's less townpoints given the situation.

yeah ok

vote Wraith

we could always just lynch Wraith

like I think he's town but his push of (LMD?) yesterday was pretty bad with an rcw scumflip.

Also, Pie, you still didn't answer the question of why would you want to lynch Red. Regardless of the usefulness of his role, he's still extremely town. - I don't. I named off the people that were town because they're more likely town (since mail-Watcher can be either alignment tbh), then narrowed it to Jack and Red, and I went with Jack.

speaking of which, Jack, why are you 'surprised' I didn't mail you?

@Dechs: he's a mail-Watcher, he can only watch who sends mail to who. a much less useful role here.

@LMD: gonna note here that we shouldn't read TOO far into NK speculation. it's still WIFOM, even though in my experiences (at least on mafiascum) scum tend to kill off threats (and I don't just mean PRs) more often than 'for the lulz'/framing. but still WIFOM.

someone who's less lazy than me should go back and see who was pushing the other wagon(s) over rcw.

I literally have not read anything this day so yeh.

rcwraspy (7): InflatablePie, Cursed_Pride, imopen2, RedNihilist, Jack, Wraith223, Mogadishu Jones

I'm town
CP is town
imopen is dead!town
Red claimed mail-Watcher
Jack is null
Wraith is town
Moga is town

so either we lynch Jack or Red today.

vote Jack

I am curious as to why imopen died. Tempted to say that scum weren't on the wagon so they left conf-town on it early because WIFOM.

also he's probably yelling at me in the deadQT, if there is one, for what I wrote him. it's really not important; I couldn't think of anything useful to send last night so I got all cheeky with him.

(sorry for lurking, been busy IRL. should have more time next week but I'll be visiting North Carolina so maybe not)

I received no mail.

I'll analyze the rcw wagon when I have time.

(eastern)

also *deadline

I'm here, just wondering why we're ignoring rcw for the most part.

reminder - dedline is 2pm monday.

"I should have done this earlier", coming right after myself and Dechs dissolve the redwagon. "closer to null", he says.

Why aren't we voting this?

Good news is Dechs launches Suga's slot into my townpile. Not liking how he's just sheeping his strongest read instead of thinking for himself, but I can understand it and it makes sense from a newbtown perspective.

@InflateablePie, Do you see any differences is DTRMafia and this game with RCW? He seems to be asking the players for more reads than votes in this game. I don't see any hard evidence as Red has given. So far the wagons I disagree with are HAM with Rez going after really nothing in evidence (he even states this), Cursed_Prides weird vote on LMD for lurking when others are stronger targets for lurking, and now RCW. Were is the evidence? The questions you ask are good for town to get reads on him, but voting before asking the questions seems odd? Why did you ask Red to wagon with you? He posted a flailing big post on RCW/Ham and now you add to it. That's fine as his thoughts may have primed your reads, but my gut says he blame shifting away from his self created
scum read.

- not bothering with metagaming

- like I said, I saw some things I did not like in his posting, but I want rcw's answers to my questions before I go into detail.

- because red seemed like he wanted to vote rcw, I want to keep red alive, and I want an rcw wagon.