Dies to Removal

When Zem flips scum, we need to go after Fate. He's been buddying Zem the whole game.

Tell me more.

Just go back and search for Fate's post in this thread. Pretty much every post is in agreement with Zem or pushing Zem's agenda.

@Stardust: Why did it take you so long to post the list I asked for? Why do you think Void is scum?

Was it long? Several players hadn't even posted since I made my case. I actually didn't even intend to post my list at this time. I was thinking about it, so I made my list up to get a bigger perspective on the game, but I accidentally hit submit and figured I may as well follow up.

The only reason I unvoted Void was because of this post. I read that as townie
frustration at the time, though I don't really see that now. His recent activity has all been pretty questionable. Void wanted to lynch the Captain for stupid reasons, then naked voted GR, then disappeared as deadline loomed, so... yeah, pretty sure he's scum.

When Zem flips scum, we need to go after Fate. He's been buddying Zem the whole game.

I've got home from work pretty much right now (19.40 here) and I'll not be able to properly come up with a case against anyone before the deadline anyway (I mean, I'd have to reread pretty much everything in less than two days, that's out of my league), yet I've still got the feeling that we're lacking the proper direction.
I've reread once more the SugaZ incident and I feel like they'll both got good probabilities of turning town after a lynch, is this really the only way to end this day?

I am really angry. You'll notice I have withheld my vote though.

I am surprised at G_R finally calling for a lynch though - he has been pretty passive through the game. Had he raised suspicions about Suga before? Will need to check.

Sigh whatever. He fucked the game anyway.

Vote Suga

@Stardust and Wraith:
Please explain to me why you both want to have 2 lynches/kills when the Town is already at a major disadvantage because of the two Scum teams.

Let me answer your question with another question: Should we no-lynch today?

Why are you voting DroppinSuga anyway?

Because I don't want DroppinSuga on my team and have no better leads.

How do figure there is a reasonable chance that Murphy is Scum? 7 Town to 4 Scum would indicate otherwise.

Do you have any other read on DroppinSuga besides "he is not in my clique"?

Nice, thank you for the follow-up. I like that post and have reinstated you as confirmed town. Do I have a read? Yes, I do. My read is that DroppinSuga is scum.

Day 1 he hopped on basically any wagon that came by (Murphy, zemanjaski, freedom, imopen, zemanjaski, freedom), but I read him as town mostly because of the involvement and confidence that I thought he was showing. However, taken together, I think they show a self-consciousness in his reasoning for making those votes.

A bigger factor is his inconsistencies. He goes from "lynch this man" to &
quot;wanting more discussion", then back to bloodthirsty less than 24 hours later. A while later he "hammers" and says that this day has gone on far too long. Didn't he just say he wanted discussion?

We start Day 2 with fishing which moves into screwing up the game setup. Normally I'd call that slightly town leaning except that it felt to me like the posts leading up to that (where Suga hinted at being confirmed
town somehow) were him setting up a fake-claim. There's no townie mindset there, making this the biggest tell against him.

He vote jumps a couple times, then ducks and covers once the votes shift to him. He hasn't made a real post in nearly a week now.

Let's say enough people vote Void. Then let's say that he flips town. Then CM gets modkilled and flips town as well. Would you say a no-lynch is a bad idea in that case? Why yes, or why not?

Are you asking me whether I'd rather no-lynch than lynch someone I know is townie?
Of course I would rather no-lynch. But would I rather no-lynch than lynch a townie who I think is scum? No, I'll lynch that townie. Narrowing our lynch options is extremely beneficial (especially in this game where the scum will start trying to shoot each other once enough townies have died).

Answer is the same for your "if CM flips scum" hypothetical. Scummy townies should be eliminated whenever possible (assuming you actually think they're scummy scum, of course).

That being said, I will be leaving this site when this game ends for me. This site is just plain unhealthy.

Suga said my cases were weak but then voted for both players.

I'm going to case Z tomorrow.

I don't have time for a full case on Zem at this time, but it pretty much starts and ends with the fact that his cases are super weak.

Stardust, who did you target last night?

I think scum is fairly active this game and I think they're likely voting each other.

CM's probably 5th or 6th on my scumwatch list.

I assume the others are ignoring you.

I'm ok with a Freedom lynch. Willing to put my vote there if that's the group consensus between Freedom, Imopen2, Zeman, and Wraith (that's my order of scuminess).

Why is cm not on your list?
Why is wraith on your list?

Wraith's on my list because of his interactions with the other potential scummers on my list. He's buddying/busing all 3 of them to various degrees.

CM was on my list but he's dropped
back down to null with recent posts.

Wait, nope. that was Manders whose recent posts i liked.

Yeah, CM's probably 5th or 6th on my scumwatch list.

I've got Stardust up there too because something's giving me the heebyjeebies about his continual Doc claims and he's started to push fairly hard.

Rez, can you read?

Because if I post my case at this moment, it's just going to draw focus away from you, who should stay our target for today. Hence why I'm going to case Z tomorrow.

I'm ok with a Freedom lynch. Willing to put my vote there if that's the group consensus between Freedom, Imopen2, Zeman, and Wraith (that's my order of scuminess).

Too much fucking mafia to catch up on.

wraith is town
fate is town

cm is probscum
zem is probscum
imopen is probscum
freedom is probscum

everyone else is probtown by default.

I'll get a couple more concrete reads tomorrow.

May we know what your reads are based on?