Dies to Removal

fun game, glad people went through with lynching red because I definitely would not have. I didn't really think my role choices through too much, but I figured I'd either like to be town with a usually town ability (unlynchable), or scum with a random ability that pie thought up. in hindsight, bulletproof or third party would have been interesting choices.

I mean correct me if I'm wrong but there are plenty of situations that would allow us to still lose

We have 8 players alive. If you guys are wrong about red, we have 7 players. Then DK shoots Rez, let's say he's town, we're down to 6. Then the last scum NKs a townie, we're at 5 players. Assuming wraith and ham are both neutrals, scum wins with their votes.

Well I see I've missed the boat. Hope you guys are right...

oh yea, and your case on red is based a lot on assumptions and analysis simply of his interactions with kaze (which were mostly initiated by kaze and therefore not necessarily indicative of red's mentality). not very strong imo

i'm pretty sure i started the kaze wagon and then you jumped on second, stardust...and yet, you keep taking credit for it (as town i haven't really felt the need other than to say "i told you so" when i was high). i also feel like you changed your opinion on wraith when me and a couple other people (?) stated we thought he was town...

i definitely don't want to put the game in your hands right now. you've been getting people to claim left and right, you are directing power roles, and dictating plans that involve vigging someone that many of your "fellow" townies believe to be town.

i'm pretty comfortable voting you or LMD toDay.

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Vote: Stardust

now time to read the rest of the page

explain again why we would be shooting red? i really don't think he's scum

I'll shoot Red if you give me compelling reason to ignore LMD's actions at the end of Day 1 (my strongest evidence against him being town).

The fact that LMD didn't hammer? In my experience, scum frequently hammer their buddies as a last ditch effort to grab town cred (see CM's Day 1 hammer of imopen in DERP mafia). At that point it was clear that Kaze was going down. I think LMD would have hammered if he were scum. I think Red would have hammered if he were scum (which he did).

is there someone that you wouldn't have said "i think XXX would have hammered if
he were scum"? it feels like you are making a somewhat large leap here and i don't see it as great evidence against red. iirc the deadline was fast approaching and as scum might have just tried to force a no lynch by not voting on time

stardust: you are discarding LMD too quickly. i do not think there is nearly enough reason to call him town as you are making it seem.

all: don't trust stardust so much...he's asking for claims, directing PRs, and forgetting to follow through on rereads he promises (i remember him doing this in a previous scum game, but i can't remember which..). That plan may sound good but if stardust were scum, we'd be fucked.

anyone else think DK might be a self-aligned player who wins if he is lynched?

we should not spend any more time or effort trying to figure out how this game is balanced. we chose our roles and powers, there is not going to be a perfect balance. i would not be surprised if this game was 3 neutrals, 2 scum, 4 town. let's drop it, shall we?

I will try to do it tonight, but I might be super high and consequently somewhat paranoid. We shall see...

Idk what's been said the last 2-3 pages but I've been trying to catch up when I can..work is a cluster fuck right now.

1. I told you so re:kaze
2. DK's lack of ability to prove his claim is convenient, and yet somewhat believable...he never really said he was a cop, and the way he worded his claim struck me as odd at the time (protected from a cop???), but now makes sense with his full claim.
3. I don't like that stardust is trying to get everyone's full claim. You guys shouldn't be providing this much information for no reason. I am not sure stardust is town

we aren't seriously going to miss this deadline, are we? get in here and vote you scumbags

A no lynch is bad for town. Either vote kaze or give a good reason why we should vote someone else

Ok, caught up. No posts from kaze? Let's get this done before the deadline, guys...

Also curious why DK hasn't pressed Kaze for role information like he did with you.

this strikes me as a good question. still not lynching DK toDay tho.

still catching up...might fall asleep due to nyquil

I want an extension. I don't have time to read the last page right now but I will tomorrow

we're not lynching the claimed cop. stardust, really now? "skip a step"?

let's lynch kaze. unless he's your partner that you never really intended to lynch?

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Vote: Kaze

what question

you're not fooling anyone, kaze

at the very least you are giving us something to go on in the event that you are lynched today. if you know the result of said lynch would be a mislynch, you should be trying to case someone rather than doing nothing and making your lynch more likely.

i mean LMD is giving no good reads and is posting even less than me right now.

1) why do you need good reads from me?

2) that isn't a point in your favor you realize.

it's not about learning your reads, it's about you not displaying the town qualities i would expect town, like, trying to work with the other people to figure out who the scum are

i mean LMD is giving no good reads and is posting even less than me right now. i was kinda hoping to pressure him to post by voting him but since that didn't work i figured i'd use POE. i'd rather lynch kaze, honestly. either way i'm pretty sure he'll need to be lynched eventually anyways

he won't stop trying to lynch red, mostly.

ok so wraith is town. there is way too much town frustration in his posts towards stardust. he had a legitimate question (considering how little of a case has been made against him during the wagon), and he didn't lose track of it which, although it was a simple question, is a positive sign in my book.

that means:

Town:
Me
Red
Wraith

Neutral:
Ham

Who knows:
DK
Stardust
Rez

The Others:
Kaze
LMD

Let's get behind this LMD lynch guys (I assume stardust won't support a kaze lynch?)

sorry i was gone. forgot to post that i would be camping all weekend

just read through everything but it's midnight and i need to sleep. i think we leave ham alone for now. i think his best chance at winning is to help us and free information (that we may be able to test) is great.

Idk if wraith faked it or not, but it doesn't clear him for me.

Kaze, I'm not going to allow you to control this game. When you are town, your reads are usually wrong, and when you are scum they are wrong on purpose. "Tunneling scum reads" is only ok when you have actually caught scum.

I believe ham's claim.

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Vote: LMD

What's up?

Kaze, I'm not afraid of you, and I won't let you railroad people.

Red has done nothing scummy to this point. He got upset at being wagoned for no reason. He got annoyed with wraith for being unhelpful as usual. He made a decent case of dechs at this early stage.

Now can you tell me why you're town? So far you've started a wagon on a townie and handwaved a scumslip

How do you know you're not on red's team? Scumslip?

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Vote: Ham

Die, scum.

Lovely wifom

Smells of Pinot Grigio

Huh?

I have no idea what you guys are talking about but I don't think I'm the one who is derping. Ham couldn't possibly know if red is on his team or not unless he is a non-town alignment with a factional chat or has designed some sort of factional cop that he can use pregame. What seems more likely?

Also, why would I be scared? I'm town as fuck and have no interest in your wagon fishing. You nearly got red killed and I am 90% sure he's town. You go and say maybe red is town, and then mention him as likely scum later in the same post.

How do you know you're not on red's team? Scumslip?

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Vote: Ham

Die, scum.

Unvote

Vote: Dechs

Stop fishing

No, I'm not on Red's team.

Huh?

Vote: Kaze

cause idk who else right now but you people should unvote kthx

also, stardust, wraith's "townslip" is pretty minor and easily faked

anyways...I don't like how hard kaze is pushing this wagon and I don't like that stardust is /barning him off no evidence

red is a good player too. he often is pretty spot on in his reads if people would actually listen to him. he isn't an unhelpful player

I have read literally zero good evidence on him so far. seriously wtf guys

this is foolish. unvote red now

Haven't read anything yet but figured I should let you guys know I'm alive.

Vote: Stardust cause he's too stronk.

Unvote cause I hope RVS is over at this point.

I'll try to check in tomorrow with a real post