Dies to Removal

Like, I don't think I could have done anything differently...I can't assume that my lie detector is being tampered with. I'm still upset that kpaca and az forced me to claim when I repeatedly said it did the town no good. Without that information, LMD would not have known to target me

Yea, so this game really made me mad. The setup was good, and it isn't stardust's fault, but I just felt totally powerless. I made one device, and all it did was fuck the town over. I mean, I did say LMD was scum after I looked at his post history, but I dropped it when I got the scum result on AZ. I'm glad we won, but it was an extremely frustrating last couple day phases.

Of course I know that my word means very little at this point, and I myself am not sure if this result is accurate since the one on az was not, but if you lynch me, we will lose, and I think DK is our best shot at winning.

I used my second shot last night on a quote from post 919 (DK), where he says "I'm totally scum." He was being sarcastic, but stardust accepted this submission, and I got a positive result. DK was telling the truth when he said he was scum. Curiously, DK never participated in the "I am town" posts, so I had to dig quite hard for a viable statement.

Alright, I have no idea what happened. Obviously this situation does not look good for me. All I ask is that you consider this decision carefully. There must be one scum left. This supposed gambit that I'm running makes little sense to a single scum. You are all set to kill me now. Why would I put myself in this position?

idk what you're playing at az, but i was told you were surely not telling the truth when you said you were town.

Last ditch, huh?

iirc, I only explained my device because YOU (az) and kpaca forced me to. The same two people that I suspect of being scum right now. I fought to keep my device a secret for several pages AND YOU FORCED ME TO CLAIM IT.

Enough of this. LMD, are you as sick of this as me? Can you please vote Az?

We have a verified, failed kill on Imopen. CK isn't lying - look at the thread. And if CK isn't lying, Imopen is guilty as sin. No townie was responsible for that failed kill, and no scum would have used a protection ability on Imopen during the day, on Day Two. You don't have to take it on faith from me, think it through for yourself.

This is the exact reasoning I used to push the final mislynch to win the game as scum in Gone Postal.

Did you have the actions of every single townie and scum player accounted for, in that game?

Do we in this game?

Didn't think so.

Thank you for seeing through Az's manipulative bullshit

Ham's tips for manipulating women are not as good as kpaca's

Alright, it's after midnight here and I'm wiped out. I'm going to be viewing properties all through tomorrow and probably not have access to the internet.

I've said all I can. I've been pretty impulsive today and I've regretted most of that, but this is something I am absolutely sold on. No lynch is our best option. I need two of you guys to trust me, that's all. Please.

G'night.

I can't do that, sorry. There are too many unknowns (scum powers) and I have a mod-confirmed scum. I refuse to vote anyone or anything else until he is dead

DK, if we vote no lynch, they will probably just kill you or LMD and we will have gained absolutely nothing. An extra day if building devices does not equal a town life imo, especially when I know az is scum

I'm very close to replacing out so that someone else can see my pm's, repeat exactly what I've been saying for days, and win us this game. I'm tired of repeating myself and I don't really care anymore. If you simply look at the attitude change in Az from day 1 to day 3, you can see he is scum. "There couldn't possibly be 3 scum" turns into "there must be three scum" rather fast when you're caught.

Yes, I have multiple concerns with your plan, az.

1. It relies on CK having a vig shot
2. It relies on CK being town
3. It assumes that CK vigged me previously
4. It requires you to chrono boost this supposed vig shot to cause your own death. (You throw in that we could have RN post lmd's vig...yet neither of them have stated they are building such devices, and I am almost positive they would not have such devices ready before you would win).

How can someone be caught by a cop, have that cop confirmed as town, proceed to change his entire stance towards the game, post so many terribly flawed plans, and still be alive? Apparently by posting pages of verbose bullshit that bores the town into submission.

Jesus, now you're arguing semantics? How about some real scumhunting instead of going all OMGUS like usual?

Why are you so quick to defend az? It's like you have no reservations as to his alignment

How has ck demonstrated anything? I am not against being lynched over vigged. I'm against you guys lynching me and pretending that ck is going to vig you afterwards when the town will have no ability to force him to do it (and has no proof that a vig even exists).

You always love skipping the facts. Like the fact that my plan to lynch/vig would have worked, provided that the first 3 votes would have been mine, and Az.

Its almost as you are most invested in saving your ass rather than furthering the town cause.

Go reread red's response above. Your plan was flawedk, it couldn't work the way you presented it, and my post was explicitly saying that I was open to the idea of your plan, but it just wasn't feasible.

I've also already explained that az didn't hammer since he believed the lynch was inevitable if he held the hammer, and felt it would gain him town cred going into the night phase. You can tell by his post after the wagon fell apart that he wishes he had just hammered now.

"Save the town from itself" is not very townie language

I'm not saying anyone has demonstrated anything. I'm saying he certainly hasn't (contrary to what az just said). Let's lynch this lier already. It seems that every time az posts we have to point out flaws or correct something. He is actively misleading us

How has ck demonstrated anything? I am not against being lynched over vigged. I'm against you guys lynching me and pretending that ck is going to vig you afterwards when the town will have no ability to force him to do it (and has no proof that a vig even exists).

ugh, even though i think ck is scum, i find it very difficult to abandon my result on az...i will have to think about this.

az, i know i don't have a protective ability. i am not going to advocate for the incorrect play for the town WHEN I KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT PLAY IS

lmd and dk: unvote and vote for az. then ck can vig me and az will die. i don't trust that ck has a vig and i'm rather sure he's scum so i'd rather be the one getting the vig rather than getting hammered by az going into possibly our final night phase.

it buys you town cred going into toNight, assuming scum can't just win outright now that you'll probably convince dk and lmd. nice gambit, so scum.

OK here's a plan that works (I consulted with the mod) and that ensures that everyone goes with the plan:

1) myself and two more people vote imopen2. that's three votes. Az doesn't vote imopen2
2) Az speeds up my vig shot so it can be done today
3) I shoot Azrael, and since it becomes 3 to lynch, imopen2 is lynched.

This way we can guarantee that I don't back up from the plan. If I shoot Az, imopen2 gets instalynched. If I don't, none of the two dies.

That should be a reasonable plan all townies can agree with right?

I agree to this.

Read my post, and reconsider. We will lose if you allow az to be the hammer (assuming ck even has a vig shot)

This is a rather obvious flaw

The plan is fine except that az is scum (most likely with scumbag) so he will simply hammer me.

It needs to be az, ck, and either LMD or DK. Red should not be one of the votes and neither should the other between LMD and DK.

I REPEAT: If you guys put three votes on me and one of them isn't az, he will simply hammer and the scum probably win.

Dk and LMD, you're throwing this game.

Scumbag, I WILL SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME. Kill az and I will gladly take whatever you guys want to do to me. I am not afraid whatsoever since I know az is scum and therefore no one is going to kill me after he flips.

Didn't you say you're 99% certain I'm scum?

Yes, I'm humoring you since 99=/=100

Dk and LMD, you're throwing this game.

Scumbag, I WILL SAY THIS ONE LAST TIME. Kill az and I will gladly take whatever you guys want to do to me. I am not afraid whatsoever since I know az is scum and therefore no one is going to kill me after he flips. WHAT I AM AFRAID OF is that I am lynched first and then the scum win.

BTW, all this "stardust said this, stardust said that" is bullshit. How convenient that az forgot the plan and now the vig wouldn't be ready till tomorrow (when he'll already have won).

Lynch me now so you can all learn a valuable lesson and I can stop wasting my time

like, you didn't even entertain any scenario other "Scumbag is lying" bro. Now you are all "listen to the cop", "occam's razor" etc...

...that is by far the simplest explanation.

Here are the things I know about this supposed vig shot:
1. I am town
2. I have no protective ability
3. Mojo threatened a vig
4. Mojo continued to threaten a vig past the point where you claim he used it
5. You claim mojo vig'd me and it failed
6. No one has come forward to confirm they protected me
7. This vig shot created a convenient dychotmy for az, right when he was caught where either myself and red we're lying or you and az were lying.
8. I clearly considered all options when you claimed this vig shot (you can go find the posts where you and az were not considering all options and instead pretending that your claim meant I was hiding part of my role. I corrected these assertions repeatedly).
9. Since no one has come forward claiming responsibility for the protect, that leaves two options (since I know I'm town without a protection ability). Those options are that either the scum team blocked the kill through a jail ability or some drawback to their roles (unlikely), or you are lying (EXTREMELY LIKELY).
10. I know az is scum, but I'm 99% sure you're scum as well. The only way you aren't is if the scum protected me or a townie did and just doesn't want to admit it (I will be so pissed if this is true)

you guys are really going to make the exact same mistake as I made when I decided to disregard the cop result and buy into the complicated conspiracy theory? Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor Occam's razor.

I go back to the fact that mojo continued to threaten to vig me, never once saying anything about his shot being blocked. Now scumbag comes in and suddenly I'm a gambiting godfather. Also, vig is an incredibly powerful ability in a 9 person setup and somehow scumbag is able to create them at will.

Az had me as town the whole game, and then at the start of the day I'm a prime suspect.

This is stupid, you guys should feel terrible, and I'm honestly sad that I've wasted so much time arguing this. The scum team obviously wants this more.

Sure, do whatever you guys think makes sense, but I hope you realize that, with 6 alive, if you lynch me, and there are two scum left, we still lose to a scum NK. Lynching me today will almost certainly mean we lose this game, and that's not fearmongering, that's a fact.

Ok, so az has confirmed there are 3 scum in this setup. Can we lynch him now?

Also, a great reason why az pushed ham's mislynch so hard is that he was about to complete his batbot device which would return him to the game if he were killed. Think about it, guys

Literally everything you just said was WIFOM. I've been unflinching in my play this game and I have a confirmed scum result. In order for any of what you just said to be considered, we must first believe 1. Your claims (I know you're scum so this kinda falls flat immediately, but for the sake of my fellow townies I'll humor this) and 2. scumbag/mojo (who never really acted townie while he was in the game, threatened a vig that never happened, disappeared, then replaced and now claims his shot was blocked...yet never called me out in game to say as much. Seems like something the rest of the town would have wanted to know yesterDay).

I have no problem with planning for after your death since I know your death will prove me right. You're the one who keeps saying "let's plan for after my death...but first look at these reasons you should kill the others instead"

Idk what's going on with Red, but you're scum, az. I know this much to be true

I really don't get why Azrael went *that* overboard to save Col. MoJo and hang ham.
Any good hypothesis is welcome.

Take note that, at the moment, I consider myself, DK and LMD as confirmed town.

...but you lie detectored me and I'm town

Alright, LMD and scumbag, what are your concerns about voting az? What makes more sense? That me and red are scum that created an elaborate gambit where we claim the same role and try to mislynch az? Or az is using his previous experience to lead the town off a cliff?

Don't ignore the cop result

Either Rez or Ham had to have protected Imopen. Or the scum. I'm not going to fall into the trap that a failed kill means scum because it's the trick I pulled in gone postal.

Or scumbag is the last scum and is lying.

If someone actually has a vig shot I would gladly take it so we can lynch az right after. That would put us at an unnecessary dolls advantage but you guys can't know that so I don't blame you for being safe. I would want to confirm with stardust beforehand that a vig shot wouldn't end the day tho

No. If we do something is we shoot Az and we lynch you, since you've already been immune to one shot.

Can someone hasten one of my inventions? I still have some offensive tricks up my sleeve but they won't be ready today unless someone helps

I mean, that's fine with me. Once he flips scum, I'm cleared, so I would much prefer that situation. I don't have a protection ability tho so it's kinda irrelevant

So then why ask me for information that is only useful to the scum?

And no response to my inventions? Strange. That seemed like such a big deal an hour ago

Oh, you didn't want to hear from this townie?

If I had any doubt that you were scum, I would consider suggesting inventions, but I know you're scum so what's the point?