Dies to Removal

I'm done arguing with you.

If you have motivation to win this game, you will do as I request. If not, the only thing I can think of a response to that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmyJ1RVfnPE

Are you not listening to me anymore?

I've already said who the last two scum are. I cannot see any other possibility, other than Jones royally pulling one over on me. If that is the case, then I'd have to say it's you and Jones, not you and Ximbad.

And yes, GR. I wouldn't put it past Yanni to bus early on.

Oh how amusing...

You state you believe the combination is me and Ximbad, I ask you to explain why Ximbad over Jones, and then in the same sentence, you mutter that it has to be Me and Jones if Jones is pulling one over you... NO SHIT. If you are actually town, the only possible combination of scum are between me, Jones, and Ximbad.

Even after I asked multiple times, Ximbad has refused to make any argument about whether Manders or Jones is my scum buddy. He also refuses to acknowledges Manders point about him being my scumbuddy. Even if we pretend I am colorblind, and my role has red text
instead of blue, he refuses to acknowledge Mander's claim that he is my scum buddy. That bothers me a bit.

@Jones: I realize this game is hella painful, and I have played horribly in the beginning. I only ask you to consider my points, look at both Manders and Ximbad's behavior, and how neither one of them seems concerned about tomorrow, only that I should die and move on, despite the situation tomorrow still being Mlol, and come to a decision.

VoteCount!

Modagumbo jones (1)-PhantomS
Manders (1)- The Guardian
The Guardian (1)-Manders,
Not Voting: GR, Modagumbo Jones
With 6 Alive it is 4 to Lynch.

People who needed to be prodded were. I'll send a prod to PhantomS Late night/Early morning if he doesn't post.

So instead, you chose to not claim, caused a no-lynch, and instead of rallying for even my own lynch (which would have been better than a no-lynch), you say nothing...

Your goal as a vanilla is also to be the default lynch, to PREVENT a no-lynch from happening. When no one knows what to do in the game, guess which roles they start with first?

@Ximbad: It's funny I say that I will go after anyone for any reason, when in the same paragraph, you mutter that either myself, or PS+ Manders are scum. What you fail to mention is that if I am scum, does that mean both Manders and PS are town, despite PS being a claimed vig. You also don't mention that if I am scum, does that mean that neither of them are?

Unvote you clown...

Actually, you very well may be scum. You were strangely quiet about the whole Manders questioning yesterday, only saying that I was the only wagon you saw as legitimate, despite plenty of discussion from others.

@Manders: Because, I am at a loss. I really can't wrap my mind around a Jones/Manders scum team remaining, and yet, I can't decide between you two. Ximbad is a newbie, so I can't read him. G_R's behavior was hella scummy, but he has an un-cced claim which clears him. I am just dead in the water right now. I asked Jones to hammer because my lynch yesterday would have made a world of difference.

So, we need some Jones commentary right now...

What don't you like about it?

What made you feel that way?

That was me working shit out in my head...but not in my head. Do you deny that it's a good piece of evidence?

I want GR, The Guardian, and Ximbad to claim next, IN THAT ORDER.

Well guys, I kind of screwed the pooch on this one. I am the Flame Princess and I was a one-shot vig (town, obviously). Last night I targeted Captain Murphy because the entire game he seemed to be very passively guiding the conversation. There's not much else I can say
than that I fucked up on this one.

Yesterday went by really quickly but I think some things of value can be gathered. For starters, we need to hear from EVERYBODY today. No exceptions.

Off the top of my head I would think that yesterday's lynch makes a very strong case for Kpaca being town (though he's a crafty devil. I'll never say 100% on him)and Mander's bringing the hammer down so loosely makes me rather suspicious of her going for the lynch on a scum buddy so as to appear town. IIRC she was dismissive of day one's Yanni wagon. Need to reread some stuff, but I'm going to start things off today with a vote: Manders.

Just reporting that CM's death was listed as (of conflagration) and, according to Wikipedia, that means "a great and destructive fire that threatens human life, animal life, health, or property."

Story checks out. Yay for nearly-confirmed town.

I knew the guardian was at l-2, but I voted anyways. On second thought I decided to unvote so we didn't have to worry about the guardian getting cut off.

That said: vote: the guardian

@Jones: Alright you cocky bastard. If your that sure I am scum, put your life where your mouth is: If I flip anything other than mafia, you die tomorrow. Oh, and unvote and hammer this if you don't mind.[/quote:
1fq1ov9v]What is the point of this? Is this intended to be anythig other than a symbolic gesture?

As for the second mafia: I am in between imopen and GR. The former because he really has done very little for himself, barely reading, and not a single original thought, aside from barning the hot wagons at the time. GR on the other hand has done very little work on his own, and his posts read more like a commentator than an actual player. I wouldn't put it pass Ximbad to be scum, but those two are my top picks.

This is where I really start to feel confident about lynching the guardian. Earlier in this post he sets up the dichotomy of kpaca or manders. His only reasoning for picking those two people out is that they are good at mafia. This line of reasoning, while not strong, is extremely convenient if the guardian is scum. If he gets one of the two lynched he can still push for the other's lynching tomorrow. On top of that he compiles a list of possible scum that
includes everyone. Either he's trying to say that he thinks phantasmo is town, or he doesn't want to contradict himself when he pushes for whatever lynch seems most likely tomorrow.

This is in addition to this post:

Checking in.

I am fine with Ximbad, if no one wants to do Manders. There has been at least two votes thrown at him, and he doesn't even address them, only deciding in his last post to chase KJ.

Unvote MH, Vote Ximbad

You can see him leaving his options open here too.

He's too noncommittal and his reasoning when he does post it is weak.

I have no idea why people are unvoting the guardian.

I'll comment on this once I have responses from other players on the questions I asked.

However, I'll go ahead and spoil the ending. I'm pretty sure
The Guardian is town and will not be voting for him Today.

You never posted the ending. How long do you plan to sit on this? Even if it's shitty reasoning, you need to post this /now/.

Two things are bothering me right now. I will expand more on that tomorrow, but where the hell is Ximbad?

I'm still waiting for manders to figure out that she should claim.

Here's the thing.

Part of me knows that I probably should.

However, part of me knows that it will only help the scum if I do.

So....I'm at a crossroads here and don't know what to do.

Let me re-read,
and once I've done that, I'll re-evaluate the situation.

Two things are bothering me right now. I will expand more on that tomorrow, but where the hell is Ximbad?

Manders, it is imperative that you claim.

I absolutely will not, other than to say someone visited me again last night.

As it couldn't have been imopen2 this time, and no one's claiming to have done it, it's obvious to me scum is targeting me...though I know not with what.

I'm going to have to re-read this game. imopen2 dying makes no sense. The ONLY thing that makes sense to me atm is that someone on the scum team is a vet who's smart enough to not go after the other vets.


Also,
PhantomS, before D2 ended, you asked me why I never pointed out that my use of the word "claim" was referring to two different claims. The answer is I didn't think of it until I mentioned it.

Now, why are you fabricating evidence?

kpaca, what makes you think manders is scum?

manders, I am very tempted to vote you. I'm not sure why you won't claim.

Because there is no case against me other than gut. If someone makes one, maybe I'll reconsider, but there is not one to make because I'm not scum.

I could actually provide evidence to point that I AM Town, but it would just be ignored or argued as WIFOM, so meh.

[quote="Ximbad » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:10 pm":
2w9sr5am]

However, I'll go ahead and spoil the ending. I'm pretty sure The Guardian is town and will not be voting for him Today.

Do you care to explain yet?

I feel like the guardian and manders have been acting strangely for a while

However, I'll go ahead and spoil the ending. I'm pretty sure The Guardian is town and will not be voting for him Today.

Just saw Ximbad lurking. That dude need to post.

@Jones: Alright you cocky bastard. If your that sure I am scum, put your life where your mouth is: If I flip anything other than mafia, you die tomorrow. Oh, and unvote and hammer this if you don't mind.

As for the second mafia: I am in between imopen and GR. The former because he really has done very little for himself, barely reading, and not a single original thought, aside from barning the hot wagons at the time. GR
on the other hand has done very little work on his own, and his posts read more like a commentator than an actual player. I wouldn't put it pass Ximbad to be scum, but those two are my top picks.

Checking in.

I am fine with Ximbad, if no one wants to do Manders. There has been at least two votes thrown at him, and he doesn't even address them, only deciding in his last post to chase KJ.

Unvote MH, Vote Ximbad

The Guardian did not vote for a Player Name and as such was not counted. Ximbad is the last name on the not voting list.

sorry, i meant where is he? he hasn't posted in a while

it's got me on tilt

Entertaining your hypothesis that I'm scum, you'd rather I had pushed a wagon for actual scum?

Or are you shooting for another easy pick now that you can simply nightkill the town watcher?

I mean, there is no way Yanni is going to be lynched day 1, you seem awfully adept at picking up another quick mislynch.

I know when scum won the round.

Just remember town: First PhantomS, than kpaca

Unvote: Yanni

Well, either one of you is lying. I believe the CC protocol is that we lynch the Colonel and if he is actually Flinn we lynch M.J. ( Spidey fans)

Am I correct?

votes for manders or ximbad are good things

The ximbad wagon is just bad,
multiple people have said why.

Why is a Manders vote good? Because she helped expose you?

the ximbad wagon is not bad and you're bad for thinking it's bad. Ximbad has done nothing but vote hop the entire time.

voting for Manders is fine for her weak ass reasoning for softlcima saying "LOL DISCUSSION CREATION" when discussion was already going on. This means that she is obviously lying about her original intent and was probably fishing hard. See?

As to why I didn't want to expose my reads until Manders explained her soft claim, it's rather obvious. I didn't want to point out "LOL MANDERS SCUM" and have her response to why she was proposing a softclaim tainted by pressure.

We all know Ximbad has done nothing but votehop, but why does that mean he's anything but stuck in RVS because nothing was really happening anyways? You saying I'm bad and should feel bad does nothing, and you explaining Ximbad's behavior without analyzing it also
does nothing.

She also said that we should mention the possibility of discussing a soft claim, she never said "LETS SOFT CLAIM RIGHT NOW". I honestly think it was a ploy to find scum just like she explained. Again, shit that happened within the first few posts of a mafia game since nothing was happening at that point anyways.

Are you serious? You think that vote hopping isn't scummy behavior? Vote hopping without evidence is a traditional scum tell. There's no need to analyze it past "k, Ximbad is throwing his vote onto the popular wagon, he's scum"

I'm calling bullshit. You don't use a "let's discuss softclaim" when discussion is already happening unless you're fishing.

also re: yanni wagon + RVS at the same time.
laffo, serious wagons do not happen during RVS, they break RVS.

A bit of scummy behavior doesn't make someone scum (Xim) but
a lot of bad posts, reasoning's, behavior and over reactions (including being overly defensive) makes guardian the best choice.

I find the checkbox post good, and would like to see T/S lists from everyone, but in popcorn order

unvote

vote:killjoy

His only post was on the first saying he would check-in later.

Vote Ximbad

I don't think it will get you off the hook, but I would like to hear your explanation for that vote.

Ximbad said the wagon was too thin, it seems that he was just pushing for a mislynch then when he realized that it wasn't going anywhere, he unvoted

Ximbad's comment about the yanni wagon going nowhere definitely strikes me as odd. I agree it seems like he was going for a mislynch and jumped off the bandwagon (to vote for the captain who, since his first post, has seemed much less scummy to me, and who actually defended Ximbad earlier in the page).

It is suprising to me that there are no votes for Jones or PhantomS considering they have been the most aggressive and seemingly scummy people so far.
They both went after The Guardian, then both attacked Yanni for something that didn't seem like a big deal (Ximbad agreed), and this is AFTER PhantomS scolded The Guardian for voting Yanni because he was playing off our hatred for him. Maybe that gave PS the idea?

I do find the string of imopen2 posts though...

As with all games, mafia can easily be ruined by people just not caring about the game. It is very bad for the town to have spammy townies, because spamming is outright scummy. I don't understand why some people just don't get that. As a member of the town, you contribute. You have nothing to hide, therefor you talk words like a real person.