Dies to Removal

@Captain Murphy:

- Your vociferous opinions against the nameclaim make me wary, still. You say that it's a waste of time because scum will just claim some name and hope it passes, but an experienced player such as yourself should know that there is a chance that scum could claim a name a townie has and get tripped up that way. You argument that "a game this flavored would have safeclaims" is invalid. Especially when the risk for town is so low and the risk for scum is so great.
- At 142 you state "rvs was over at that point." You're saying RVS ends at the same time for everyone? Why do you think that's the case?

Also because his first post of the game made me say "mah nigga"

Cursed Pride. I'd rather keep my reasoning for Slowpoke to myself for the moment. Remind me later and I'll give it.

Yes, I did suspect Iso may be scum, based on just one post actually (I explained this in a previous post). My vote was as serious as any vote can be fresh out of RVS, but I would never want to lynch someone that soon into the Day 1.


Captain. Why would you assume the three people following rezombad didn't just see the same thing?

@captain: it isn't about how early in the game it is. I was under the impression that people claim at L-2 on this site so once kaze answered my question, and I still wanted him lynched, I expected a claim.

@mod: you forgot rezombad's vote on kaze.

Actually, I changed my mind. No name claims for now. (Before you ask, this has nothing to do with Kaze)

Why did you change your mind then?

Because I decided the risks outweigh the potential benefits.

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@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

Either you know something we don't, or you assume the worst for only the last three voters. rezombad, Slowpoke, Captain scumteam?

imopen was the first and his was a legit rvs vote

Okay. What about rezombad?

Actually, I changed my mind. No name claims for now. (Before you ask, this has nothing to do with Kaze)

Random thought here, but from reading Kazekirimaru's posts it feels like he's not really trying to analyze the reactions to the RVS wagon at all, just more like.. caring about defending himself. He belittles Captain Murphy for voting him and does some more defense stuff. He then complains about differentiating metas, and still no analyzing his votes on the wagon or analyzing the reactions to his vote on Iso.

This is a fair assessment. I switched gears from RVS wagons & such to my own wagon because of how hard and blatantly Captain and Rezombad were pushing it.[/
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I was the first one to vote you and the person to apply pressure, I never tried pushing it lol. All you have done is deflect and blame a ms-dtr meta change.

I think jumping on wagons just for the point of jumping on is bad.

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

Either you know something we don't, or you assume the worst for only the last three voters. rezombad, Slowpoke, Captain scumteam?

imopen was
the first and his was a legit rvs vote

Murph I know why you think it's scummy because I thought the same but it's not. Dude is a...shit, who was that guy we played with in our last game, Iso? The one who was a crime against mafia? And I don't mean hans. Whatever, he's that guy, where he is inherently scummy but not actually scum.

Its just too blatant. I'm getting town vibes from you though, but I still don't like the wagon thing and on top of that, the responses after. Maybe I'm just too paranoid tonight.

unvote because I don't think a claim is necessary so early (He isn't obvscum to me at this point), but this doesn't mean I think he is town. I'll be watching.

Dude Kaze did you have a reason to jump on that wagon or not.

My only reason was because RVS wagons. It's what I do.

I appreciate your attempts to not be abrasive since you always seem scummy in my mind based on your playstyle, but the fact that you are not being abrasive so far and still seem scummy is telling. I'm going to hold my vote since I'm not sure what the vote count is and I'm in a rush but I'd like to know what the town motivation is for voting a wagon for no reason.

Getting out of RVS as soon as possible is beneficial for town. That's why I always hop on/push
RVS wagons. They're great for getting out of RVS.

Funny thing is, it totally worked.

Just not how I expected.

You didn't expect that jumping on a wagon for no reason other than "getting out of rvs" would get you heat? I don't buy that. I'm ready to see a claim.

Vote, Kaze

Why do you think a claim is necessary this early when we still have players that have barely posted?

@Captain Murphy: Are you also unable to read posts? lurk moar then ask questions that make sense. I did not blindly vote Iso.

k then. I thought there might've been something I was missing.

Vote: Iso anyways.

I still think a name claim is good stuff once we establish a popcorn order. If nothing else, it'll at least lock scum into a claim early on and give them less flexibility.

And frankly, Captain, your adamant stance against it makes me want you to go towards the beginning.

I still think a name claim is good stuff once we establish a popcorn order. If nothing else, it'll at least lock scum into a claim early on and give them less flexibility.

And frankly, Captain, your adamant stance against it makes me want you to go towards the beginning.

That was in response to rezombad. Didn't see the second page.

To answer Captain, I voted Iso because the way he tried to format "town" is not the same as is written in my role PM. Weak, but good enough to generate a discussion and a decent wagon to analyze. I assumed that was the slip rezombad was talking about.

More importantly, what "knowledge" do you have that I don't?

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the wagon because it was there.

Vote: rezombad serious vote.

Also my role is MandersHex so this is auto-GOTY.