Dies to Removal

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Congrats Pedros!

I'd be interested to hear how you side boarded, and if you would tweak the decklist at all.

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Don't know about you, but I'm psyched to see what BotG has for this deck (besides the scrylands, of course).

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Cant play assemble the legion Zooligan with 1 white source.

So embarrassed! Getting my decks mixed up. Playing big Boros right now...

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That idea of -x Chandra / +x Erebos MD makes sense. You lose the ping/falter, but you nix opponent Lifegain, draw cards (that Jdub pointed out can be pitched to PR) tho they're kind of expensive, and free up at least one SB slot (for Assemble?).

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Bring it on home J_S. Keep lighting them up!

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How do you guys feel the deck would play with -1 SBD / +1 Chandra? (For a 2/2 split)

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Also, fucking UW / Esper are siding Fiendslayer Paladin in. Should we be doing somwthing about that, or just ignoring it?

Last Breath, right? Other than that and CttR, what is there that's acceptable in the 75?

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Any progress on this lately?

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I don't see why we are still playing boros charm. Now that we are talking about Shocks into the Main deck, shouldn't we discuss going back to PyroDragons... YP$ helps verse aggro and mono black. and still has just as good a matchup verse esper as big boros, possibly a better one verse UW.

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Wow. How'd I miss that article? That's good stuff James!

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Proactive cards advance your game plan; they kill the opponent. Examples include: burn (but not terrors), threatens. They need to be good in most boardstates. Reactive cards counter your opponent's strategy only; they ONLY do something in a specific boardstate that you bring them in for. EG: artifa...

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I believe it is always wrong to sideboard reactively in a red deck

Could you elaborate on the difference? Maybe some examples?

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I did notice on the SCG open lists that the mono B lists were sans Whip. Honestly I'm not sure if my local paper guys are behind the curve or ahead of it in this instance. I'm seeing mono G rise, Esper hold steady running 2-3 BBoV and Aetherling, and mono B staying the course. Enchantment hate seems...

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Add mono G and G/W to that list. Someone was saying White Weenie is tough if they resolve Spear, so maybe add that to the list as well.

All the mono B players in my LGS run Whip.

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Wear // Tear will help with that too...

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Ugh. You're right. I don't like the sound of that at all. Wear // Tear could handle Boon Satyr while he's an enchantment, and the Bow. That might help. That's all I could come up with. This is in paper at LGS, so if I ever want to grab the prize I need to be able to stand half a chance against it.

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Just got handled by monoG devo. The Boros Legion list is pretty boss otherwise. Beat U/W and Esper pretty soundly.

What's the plan for mono G? So fast and the creatures are huge.

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Would you say that adds to the inconsistency or helps smooth the draws when they do show up?

It may be too many variables to align to get the positive impact. What scry options are available in black that don't sabotage the aggro stance of the deck? Anything?

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That's a good question. I haven't run the deck yet so don't really have a feel for what colors are most important to get online when. I'd say offhand maybe switch out 2 Mountain for the R/W scry, and one Swamp for the B/W scry. need to test and see if the dig/filter they provide outweigh the sacrifi...

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So Pedros, based on your recent experiences, I will repeat my question:

Is it worth adding temples in place of any of the Mountains/Swamps just to get the scry, even though they come in tapped?

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Is it worth adding temples in place of any of the Mountains/Swamps just to get the scry, even though they come in tapped?

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When did Hero's Downfall jump in price?!? Haven't been following that one.

Is it something that will survive standard rotation and become a Modern staple?

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Spikejester ranges from "uncastable" to "uncastable".

Is it really that bad? Seems pretty good to me vs. Esper, U/W, and mono B.

Against R, G/x, and mono U maybe not so much because of the low toughness...

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Underworld Cerberus might go better in the Dragon slot - evasive-ish, not vunerable to Doom Blade or Ultimate Price, stops Whip and the Ooze abilities, takes out multiple Elspeth or MOW tokens... Your black-playing opponents will spend their non-conditional removal getting rid of Freaks, Jesters, a...

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Slaughter Games is on of the main reasons, I secretly want to play this deck.

Is there at least one card in every major deck (that "is" a deck

) whose absence would make R/b MU better? If so, wouldn't MD Slaughter Games make sense?

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I like the idea of Slaughter Games vs Sphinx's Rev, but it seems like it could also be good against cards like: Blood Baron Aetherling Gary (monoB) MOW(monoU) Boon Satyr (monoG) Jace, Elspeth, Domri, etc <- basically whatever PW is costing you games in other MU The more I think about it, pretty much...

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I am working on a R/b primer now.

That's good, because I am completely unqualified to write one!

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sth = 'something'

Hmm. How about that. Learn sth new every day!

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sth

sth???

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Is there a dedicated R/b thread anywhere?

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I do understand the love for heaps of 4x (esp. in decks which have 0 draw effects) but I'm comfortable with running 6x 1-drops since they're value is pretty much gone by T3 in most MUs If their value is greatest before T4, wouldn't you want to run the full 8 to maximize your chance of seeing them b...

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What makes it a trap card? Mono blue uses it well.

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Any thoughts on switching Reckoner for Frostburn as more flexible tech? It's not quite as good vs aggro, but better vs control (4 damage vs 3 when un opposed and comes down a turn earlier) and gives you a way to convert mana to damage without using your limited direct-damage burn.

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I only play paper on one or two nights a week -FNM and a free Saturday tournie for store cred. The FNM is heavily mono black and Esper, while the Saturday thing is the same 15 players generally from FNM plus a bunch of aggro. When I run 25 land, Boros charm, Reckoner in the side on Friday, I do ok a...

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2-1-1 last night. Man, I have troubles with Esper (my loss and draw). Not sure if it's just our local variants or if I'm doing something wrong, but I cannot seem to beat them. I likely would have won the match I ended up drawing, but just couldn't close fast enough. The other one, he just has all th...

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Love it! Yeah, it's pretty much just loops and counting. Looking forward to your Monte Carlo insights! First thing I did was run your same numbers for comparison. Numbers started to converge towards yours with as few as 5,000 iterations. Time to start stalking the Python forums to find ways to make...

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Yeah, that's way over my head as far as programming goes. Alas, I know what I want to do, but am not enough of a code sorcerer to do it. EDIT: Ha, HA! F U inferiority complex! I figured it out using Python scripting. Bad Python scripting I'm sure. And all hard-coded. But still, now I know how to do ...

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That was what i was getting pummeled by two weeks ago. Unflinching Courage and gift of Orzhova on a Gladecover Scout. Boo!

It's also why I upped the Wear // Tear count in my SB, to attack the enchantments directly.

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It's easier for me to run Monte Carlo simulations instead of trying to make sure I'm getting the hypergeometic distribution right. How do you do that? Could you put together an application that would allow us to enter our own decklists, choose which variables to enter and summarize on (which and ho...

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$125, 12 packs (cracked whip, bident, and foil ashiok) and got the invite!

Kudos and congratulations!

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