Dies to Removal

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Elspeth died "off screen", according to someone talking about it elsewhere. Not sure what "off screen" means. I assume it means it was implied she died.

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Should be able to cheat this asshole out pretty early... Magister Sphinx http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=220509&type=card Pros: - Basically a kill shot. - Can bring someone with an out of control life gain engine back to heel. Cons: - Can be used against you with thi...

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Nothing wrong with running both. Lets just be realistic about the actual pros and cons of things. It's a tutor that only hunts for Artifacts. This deck just happens to be able to entirely play around that drawback. I can see considering that a card has no drawback within this context of this deck to...

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Okay, so there's one strictly better tutor than that.

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Enlightened Tutor

Cons:
- Tutors to top deck, but does it for 1 mana.
- Only nabs Enchantments and Artifacts.

[x] Tallied.

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Imperial Seal http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=184717&type=card If we're only building the deck in theory, then in theory we can include this card. Cons: - Tutors to top deck, but does it for 1 mana. - At $700, it's in the running for one of the most expensive Comman...

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Vampiric Tutor

Cons: Only tutors to top deck, but tutors at instant speed which is unique.

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Cons: There are better tutors than that.

Demonic Tutor

I'd call these no-brainers, barring an argument against having any tutors at all. Like having a ton of draw making them irrelevant.

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Sword of Feast and Famine http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=382200&type=card Pros: - Untaps all your lands, letting you tap out to cast creatures and spells while still having plenty of mana open for counters. - Pro green and pro black are very relevant. Cons: - Equip...

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As long as we're on the subject of beaters...

Cranial Plating

Pros:
- B-b-b-broken
- Equip for

at instant speed.

Cons:
- Could be called win-more.
- Potentially underwhelming in EDH.

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Ethersworn Canonist

Pros:
- 2cmc set of brake pads for your opponents.

Cons:
- Potentially dead vs. certain other decks.

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Master of Etherium

Pros:
- Potentially a great, big ass.
- Buffs other artifact creatures.

Cons:
- Value is only worth your current board state.

[x] Tallied.

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Grave Betrayal, anyone? Could potentially do a lot of work. Could also just immediately fish out a counter and waste 7 of my mana.

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What gave it away? Was it the whole thread I have for Chainer? Actually, I go back and forth between Chainer and Xiahou Dun, depending on what I feel like. I started entertaining the notion of splashing white to get better recursion sources, but I realized what I really wanted was for it to be faste...

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Academy Ruins

Pros:
- Artifact recursion source.

Cons:
- Recurs to top deck, which is less preferable than to hand or directly into play.
- Only taps for colorless mana.

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Should the staple color-fixing lands be auto-includes? I mean, you need a good reason not to include them. Command Tower Reflecting Pool [cards]Godless Shrine[/cards] Hallowed Fountain Watery Grave Drowned Catacomb Glacial Fortress Isolated Chapel [cards]Fetid Heath[/cards] Sunken Ruins Mystic Gate ...

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Some more legendary creatures in the wedge colors would be great.

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http://magiccards.info/scans/en/cs/27.jpg Card: Arcum Dagsson . Pros: +Lets you tutor for stuff and puts it DIRECTLY INTO PLAY, which is pretty huge on its own. +Is clearly a powerful wizard. (He's not even a wizard, what kind of shit is that?) +It's really hard to populate this list because I thin...

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Ah, that's a good plan too.

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Exsanguine was my next suggestion. I went with Oona over BSZ because Zenith is target player mills out, while Oona can mill the whole table in one turn. I'm a huge fan of things that hit the whole table, especially if I win out of nowhere with them. Exsanguinate http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/...

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Since a few infinite mana combos are on the table, I'll suggest a few ways to actually use that mana to win. Oona, Queen of the Fae http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=370429&type=card Pros: - 5/5 evasive body for 6 mana. - Ability mills the table with infinite mana, and...

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I like Terminus over Wrath because tucking someone's general is a big deal. A lot of decks will just fold to that. It's definitely not as playable as Wrath, though. With Terminus we have to be careful to to screw ourselves too much, so we almost have to be behind on the board before it becomes useful.

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Card images for Jack's posts, if anyone needs them... http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=209040&type=card http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=217826&type=card http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=121159&type=card ...

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Terefi's just good defense. Someone explained to me once that Terefi + Knowledge Pool work to totally prevent opponents from being able to cast spells at all. Does it actually work like that?

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I guess a good question at this point is what do we want to do with the deck? In general. Combo, aggro, control...? How are we going to win with it?

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Top should be as gimme as Sol Ring. 4th card, then I'm saving my slots for after other people jump in: Power Artifact http://deckbox.org/system/images/mtg/cards/1043.jpg Pros: - Infinite mana combo enabler when stuck to a Grim Monolith/Basalt Monolith. Cons: - Only enchants one artifact. [x] Tallied.

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Is Basalt Monolith a common rock?

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Necropotence http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=2478&type=card Pros: - Good draw engine. If we take advantage of Sydri's ability to give artifact creatures Lifelink and we get a steady flow of life gain to keep up with the cost, Necropotence upgrades from "pretty ...

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I saw some Sydri decks that were basically EDH eggs, but I wanted to avoid that, too. I think Sculpting Steel is good no matter the focus of the deck. Clones are really good. I agree. that was meant more as a note to self and a comment on Bitter Ordeal, and other things that can combo with Sharuum.

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I almost put up Sculpting Steel. http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/thumbnails/13/530/200/283/136049.full.jpg Pros: - Combos with Sharuum and Sculpting Steel/Phyrexian Metamorph to exile target player's library. - Deals with threats before they can even be drawn. Cons: - Very limited in pow...

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Phyrexian Metamorph

Pros:
- A 3 cmc copy of Wurmcoil Engine, Blightsteel Colossus, or something worse? Yes, please.
- Can target an opponent's junk and not just your own.

Cons:
- Value is entirely dependent on what cards are already in play.

[x] Tallied.

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Well, in terms of elementary calculus I can see his point. But I agree that there are way, way more factors than elementary calculus that make the game work. My top deck is only equal in value to your top deck until I flip a Forest and you flip a Craterhoof Behemoth and a Demonic Tutor. Conversely, ...

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I think it lacks interactivity too. I can get a Gilded Drake. I have a Fleshbag Marauder and a Bone Shredder, and Shriekmaw is what, like a buck? I also own a Bribery . Nirkana Revenant is a remnant of when the deck was mono-black. You take what you can get for acceleration in mono-colors that aren'...

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I'll start posting here so as not to further derail the B/x recursion thread, since this is officially a Damia list. 1 Damia, Sage of Stone Big Ol' Middle Fingers 1 Kokusho, the Evening Star 1 Wurmcoil Engine 1 Avenger of Zendikar 1 Phyrexian Metamorph 1 Lord of Extinction 1 Consuming Aberration 1 K...

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Nobody at my table plays the titans, which is why I want to. Speaking of fatties... Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur (Not for drawing, but for locking out the table.) Sheoldred, Whispering One (Also recursion.) Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger (Also ramp.) Avenger of Zendikar Kederekt Leviathan Lord of Extinction...

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Yeah, I'm learning that I really have to evaluate things assuming they won't make it around the table. Immediate impact or bust.

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Oh, they'll pay 1 to stop it. There's another guy who runs it in Oloro who really annoys people with it. "Do you pay the extra? ... Do you pay the extra? ... Do you pay the extra? ..." They'll pay it to spite me until I get over the hump of having so much draw the extra cards just don't ma...

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Carpet of Flowers is interesting. I will have to look at the table the next time I play to see how often I can make use of that. I'm getting ideas, I think. I like recursion that costs 2 or less, unless it's going to have an above the curve effect on my board or it comes on a stick that I can recur....

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How do you feel about Fact or Fiction/Sphinx of Uthuun here? They don't give me discard, but they basically have no disadvantage if I can go back into my yard to get whatever I pitch. And recurring Sphinx can basically be draw on demand. I like both Rite of Replication and Progenitor Mimic if I'm go...

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Did he leave anything good in the garbage?

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