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hamfactorial

I don't see the case on Scumbag, just a few early day pile-on votes. If we're going to lynch him for some reason, it should definitely be done here on Innistrad, though.

hamfactorial

Can we stay in this plane? It's extremely pro-town.

hamfactorial

Planeswalk

Get me outta here!

hamfactorial

Yes, just me and Manders. I think it was flavored around the Venser/Koth duel deck.

hamfactorial

Everyone here knows I'm the best scum player around.

hamfactorial

Being Manders' neighbor doesn't make me confirmed town, but I agree that it's much more likely. If I was scum, I think it would be more useful to leave her alive and communicate with her in the QT to figure out her role before targeting her as the NK.

hamfactorial

Gentlemen, I have returned! I was Manders' neighbor.

hamfactorial

Unvote
Vote Jamie

hamfactorial

Will switch to Jamie if you guys can fill up the wagon before deadline.

hamfactorial

Thanks Dusty, I'm looking forward to Kait accusing me of faking the whole thing

hamfactorial

Vote TubeHunter but will switch if another better-attended wagon shows up. I don't want the day ending NL because I'm away from a keyboard.

I'm getting married on May 2, so I'll be V/LA until the following weekend.

hamfactorial

@ham/imopen, who do you think is scum?
I don't know. Both TH and Jamie voted me for weak reasons, but I can't assign strong scum motivation to them on D1. There's so little to work with.

Between the two, Jamie seems more scummy. It's a very weak read, though.

I think Ria was town.

The rest of the field is null.
You said you were going to re-read TubeHunter after my PBPA. What were your thoughts?

His posting history seems very non-committal. In the first half of his posts, he asks a lot of questions (to nobody in particular).

In the second half, he voted for me, then responded to your case, and now we're caught up.

I'm uncertain which alignment to assign him based on that behavior. He's either unsure town or scum trying to blend in with activity that looks like participation.

hamfactorial

@ham/imopen, who do you think is scum?

I don't know. Both TH and Jamie voted me for weak reasons, but I can't assign strong scum motivation to them on D1. There's so little to work with.

Between the two, Jamie seems more scummy. It's a very weak read, though.

I think Ria was town.

The rest of the field is null.

hamfactorial

It's pretty obnoxious. It's readable if you have a highlight function, but against a white background it may as well be invisible.

Could Stardust make it red?

hamfactorial

I enjoy dicking around on D1 to see who votes me because of it. Town reasons and scum reasons for voting me are typically very distinct.

I'll go back through to see who voted me and illustrate the mindset I see in that vote.

hamfactorial

The "to be honest" tell has been null for me in past games. Some people just say it a lot, along with "I mean" which is endemic to the Magic community.

The rest of your case on him is interesting, though. I hadn't really noticed TH before.

My favorite scum tell is inactivity, but that's been historically bad for me.

hamfactorial

Who planeswalked us to bant?
Ham did. About 10-15 posts back. Maybe less, I didn't count.
Wasn't me, I brought us to Sunhome
This post kind of bothers me, because its ham not really saying anything again.

What should I have said? I didn't planeswalk to Bant, I planeswalked to Sunhome.

hamfactorial

@ Jamie: Why was your vote on G_R? Did you ever pursue that at all?

Is that all you have on Ham?
When I voted all he had said in thread is a bunch of fluff and some pointed fingers at people everyone else was pointing fingers at. Then he said a dumbtell/scumtell. After I voted he started contributing more so I went to the next guy.
Yes. This is all I have on ham.

It's neither a dumb tell nor a scum tell, but I appreciate that you're looking for scum motivation

hamfactorial

It does muck things up a bit, but I'm sure there are ways to discover who walked us after the deed has been done.
I'm imagining ham saying this in a world where he knows someone has a power related to planeswalking like
planeswalk twice in one day
planeswalk to a specific plane that is bad for town
gain night immunity from not walking that day

and I don't like it

unvote
vote ham

Are all these things bad for town?

hamfactorial

Ok, I misunderstood. I thought that was your motivation for voting Tube.

hamfactorial

Manders:

If we've all agreed to walk at the beginning of the day, why do you find TH's walk suspect? If I had walked instead, would you find me suspect?

hamfactorial

Discussing who he should target draws out information that helps the scum team make NK plans. That's a bad thing, unless you're on the scum team.

hamfactorial

Exactly, it's a bad idea for WitchHunt to tell us what he's going to do.

hamfactorial

Alright, final destination.

Should we agree on the target, or do we leave this to WitchHunt so he can keep it to himself until toMorrow or something?

Certainly not, unless some townie PR wants to paint a target on himself for the chance at glory.

hamfactorial

Heh, nude scum read.

I meant "missed scum read", but my phone had other ideas.

hamfactorial

Anybody think stardust would have given someone the ability to win the game if all players walk in one game day?

I considered it, but that's still OK. If that player is town, it's not a huge hit to the town bloc. If that player is neutral, it saves us a nude scum read. If that player is scum, good riddance.

hamfactorial

Who planeswalked us to bant?
Ham did. About 10-15 posts back. Maybe less, I didn't count.

Wasn't me, I brought us to Sunhome

hamfactorial

Scumbag and WitchHunt both need to walk us. Ria, who do you want to walk first?

hamfactorial

Balls, I just read through DK's posts and saw that he publicly walked early in the thread.

I thought Manders' failed walk was because DK did it via PM.

I'm going to read through again and see who's walked.
That was rezombad.

Jeez, I juat got here, dude. Pay attention!!

ok please be my friend

hamfactorial

fuck yeah Boros

That ability is sweet, but an extreme double edge sword.

hamfactorial

All aboard!

hamfactorial

planeswalk

hamfactorial

Public Walk #1

This plane sucks.

planeswalk please

Public Walk #2

Flavour to come.

You are now on Ulgrotha. Players who die here will not have their role PM's revealed.
Planeswalk.

Private Walk #1

Yeah, the first planeswalk was me.

I tried to go somewhere cool.

In retrospect, I feel more valuable discussion has been gleaned from that than any sort of RVS.

vote rcwraspy

I don't like his 'you trying to flavor game' post. and the timing and wording on his post following me saying I was suspicious of people that didn't support walking away pinged me as well. His appeal to imopen doesn't seem right to me, though the nonvote on stardust is null.

Public Walk #3

As a matter of fact, I am now initiating this plan.

PLANESWALK

Public Walk #4

this seems bad for us...since the town makes up the majority (i assume) of the players.

Planeswalk

Public Walk #5

planeswalk

Public Walk #6

planeswalk

Public Walk #7

Planeswalk the fuck outta here!

Public Walk #8

If no one is going to do anything, I'll do it.

Planeswalk

Public Walk #9

So, let's keep going.
PLaneswalk

Walked: Jamie, DK/Manders, rezombad, rianalnn, imopen2, LMD, rcwraspy, GR, TubeHunter, RedNihilist

Not Walked: hamfactorial, Col Khadaffi, WitchHunt

hamfactorial

Balls, I just read through DK's posts and saw that he publicly walked early in the thread.

I thought Manders' failed walk was because DK did it via PM.

I'm going to read through again and see who's walked.

hamfactorial

How many walks have we had? I still have mine, Dechs may have been the PM walk at the beginning of the game.

If it's just me left, I want to stay here.

hamfactorial

Ya got me

hamfactorial

I haven't walked yet, and will hold onto my walk until it's necessary or you dudes get all suspicious of me.

hamfactorial

Also regardless of our final destinations powers we can work around it and move again tomorrow, I'd rather know what we're working with and have it so it won't change. Someone could pull a phantom planeswalk and fuck us up if we're using an ability, so it's better to force us to play with our final destination mechanic as if it is the games overarching mechanic until we achieve lynch.
So, tell us what happens when the last Planeswalk is used and we're back on Wildfire or something so scum aligned?
If almost everyone has confirmed their walks, and there's only 1 planeswalk left, that can be the emergency release valve.

On subsequent days, confirmed town can walk last to protect against ending up in Wildfire.
You are not an idiot.

hamfactorial

Also regardless of our final destinations powers we can work around it and move again tomorrow, I'd rather know what we're working with and have it so it won't change. Someone could pull a phantom planeswalk and fuck us up if we're using an ability, so it's better to force us to play with our final destination mechanic as if it is the games overarching mechanic until we achieve lynch.
So, tell us what happens when the last Planeswalk is used and we're back on Wildfire or something so scum aligned?

If almost everyone has confirmed their walks, and there's only 1 planeswalk left, that can be the emergency release valve.

On subsequent days, confirmed town can walk last to protect against ending up in Wildfire.

hamfactorial

It's k boss, I always fuck my way through day 1. If I'm still doing this later, you have cause to suspect me.

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