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Azrael

Reads: Town Azrael- Obv DK - Hard town tells. Imopen - Hard town tells. Stardust - Style of claiming, +town points. Rednihilist - Lurky/null. Hamfactorial - Lurky/null. Witchunt - Leaning not mafia. Could be some kind of neutral, potentially, but leaning against it. Still a little nervous about his ...

Azrael

Hmm, Stardust +town points for the claim. I like post 14. Already off to a pretty interesting start here, such a bold claim right off the bat could go either way couldn't it? I'm not going to weigh into it too much this early on, I just feel like we could go in circles with the mind games the claim ...

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Actually, nevermind.

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Also, I've only read a single post this game, but Imopen is town.

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Has LMD claimed yet?

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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR

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Ok, I'll try to clarify that.

Manders, I haven't seen you in forever!! How are you doing??

EDIT: Done.

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Manders was kind enough to import all our mafia stuff from MTGS-land format everything appropriately, which was a big chore. I went in to clean up and update my article on behavioral analysis from years ago, which I found to not really need too much in the way of tweaking. Over the afternoon I'll be...

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/replace

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GG. I definitely don't blame anyone for my mislynch, that was a tough situation with a lot of unknown variables in play. We could only speculate about what was really going on there, and taking us both out wasn't a bad call given the available info. I really enjoyed the mechanics of the game, and th...

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Puzzle pieces:

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My opinion of the red posts are that they lean mostly town. I think that town read still holds true, if we're in a one-scum setup.

Imopen, not so much. PBPA him, tomorrow. See what else turns up.

Azrael

Early thread also disproved that CK and I were on the same scum team together. Reading Mojo/CK as hard town, based on early interactions. Dechs is still hard town, always has been. If you're looking for a conspiracy theory alternative for Imopen being scum, that leaves Red or LMD. Of those two, I'd ...

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Don't overthink things tomorrow with random theories about sabotage devices you don't know exist. Imopen's scum. Hopefully, he's scum by himself, and he has a broad-based immunity of some kind which fouled up RN's results on him. Hopefully, Stardust didn't build a game with only a single mislynch ma...

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Why would I bus GR so hard, when no one else was interested? Why would I then go out of my way to get Ham, a townie, lynched? Why wouldn't I lynch Imopen, when he was at three votes, free for the taking? Why has Imopen been so keen to be vigged, instead of lynched? Why did I go to so much effort to ...

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I'll trust imopen on this one I guess, tomorrow is important though vote azrael If I were scum, why is Imopen still alive? Why wouldn't I have killed him last night? Why was Rezombad the mafia kill, instead of the guy who's now claiming cop? Why did the scum miss a kill on night one, if not by me b...

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Screw this

vote imopen2

If we can't have both, I'd rather have imopen2 lynched. He's been passive enough that the choice is easy.

Vote Imopen2.

You guys know why.

Azrael

This is a PM that I sent to Stardust just now: [quote="Azrael'] Post-game, the debate over whether I should have been unilateral and taken out Imopen when he was still at three votes is going to be interesting. On the one hand, it'd be easy to say with hindsight that it'd bring the game home fo...

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Final sentence of the last post is critical, but I'm reraising this point that you glossed over, as well. Do you think I'm dumb enough scum to let a cop nab me when I could have stopped it, Dechs?

Your theory requires me to be that dumb.

Azrael

Mafia is won by looking at what IS certain, at what you can see is true, the patterns you can see in player's words and thoughts. And what IS certain right now? We've got one claimed cop saying you're scum. We've got another saying the first one is town. We've got a claimed failed vig that doesn't ...

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Now that's WIFOM. No, that's a valid question. I'm supposedly smart enough to anticipate a vig and counter it, but dumb enough to not want to kill a guy who hated me and declared he had an investigation, because I wanted to use wording supplied to me by Rez in a quickchat to verify myself as a mast...

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Oh shit, that could explain why Rez died. Oh man. I'm just helplessly staring at my screen in disbelief at this point. This is like the most epic example of how possible tells are awful that I've ever run into. Mafia isn't won by dreaming up scenarios that COULD be true, and COULD prove that someon...

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If I were building sabotage devices, seems like it might have been smart to sabotage the guy who said he was going to investigate two people tomorrow and went on record that he hated and suspected my guts against all reason. Just saying. Instead, I supposedly killed...Rezombad? Because I saw the vig...

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And I not only gave up the mafia NK, but prevented a town controlled vig on top of that, and then stuck my neck way out to save CK and kill Ham after bussing the hell out of GR on day one?

Apparently, I'm the WORST mafia player of all time.

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It's not like we've seen any of your inventions do anything to verify you're a master builder.

So I pulled the running out of pieces bit out of my nether regions?

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And there is a whole universe of abilities that would be reasonable to expect for Stardust to give the scum. For instance, a broad-based immunity to town devices.

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A device sabotage is perfectly reasonable to expect from Stardust. It would also explain the no night kill Night 1 because there should be only one scum left. Using the ability takes the place of the night kill (according to Stardust's previous setups). Boom. Solved. ...but we had a kill on the nig...

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How about that saboteur ability we're theorizing? We knew day one that MoJo was building a day kill. Sabotage it at night, it fails during the day. :/ I guess. But again, we're operating WAY off in conjecture land here. For this theory of yours to work, we're assuming that imopen's ability was tamp...

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*frowns* A RB at the source from a Master builder could have worked, I guess. Mojo said he was firing, at *someone.* But that's only plausible if the scum have a master builder.

I don't buy that they would have had TWO RBers, one of which was day capable, in this game.

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Where did I say that? I don't believe the two scum team, so of course I'm not implicating CK set up his buddy. Of course there's no room for LMD or CK to be scum if Imopen is scum. There's only one scum left. A failed vig kill means nothing to me. I'm telling you, I set up a town on town failed vig...

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We have a verified, failed kill on Imopen. CK isn't lying - look at the thread. And if CK isn't lying, Imopen is guilty as sin. No townie was responsible for that failed kill, and no scum would have used a protection ability on Imopen during the day, on Day Two. You don't have to take it on faith f...

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Also, you're looking at this completely backward. What scum would have been "setting this up", way back on D2? What scum would have had an ability to use to protect Imopen, during the day, and WANT to use it, when he could have reaped a free kill by letting it happen? We've verified that t...

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Red alignment is linked to Imopen*.

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We have a verified, failed kill on Imopen. CK isn't lying - look at the thread. And if CK isn't lying, Imopen is guilty as sin. No townie was responsible for that failed kill, and no scum would have used a protection ability on Imopen during the day, on Day Two. You don't have to take it on faith f...

Azrael

We have a verified, failed kill on Imopen. CK isn't lying - look at the thread. And if CK isn't lying, Imopen is guilty as sin. No townie was responsible for that failed kill, and no scum would have used a protection ability on Imopen during the day, on Day Two. You don't have to take it on faith f...

Azrael

We have a verified, failed kill on Imopen. CK isn't lying - look at the thread. And if CK isn't lying, Imopen is guilty as sin. No townie was responsible for that failed kill, and no scum would have used a protection ability on Imopen during the day, on Day Two. You don't have to take it on faith f...

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The other four townies get to finish building powers and Imopen can retry the cop thing so we can be more certain. Please explain how Imopen coming up with another cop result tells us *anything*. We still have only chance to lynch correctly. We can either trust Imopen's word today, or trust his wor...

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Sorry, I should keep the sarcasm to a minimum. Seriously though, last time you were all 100% certain when I didn't think you were right, we lynched a townie. I'm not doing that again. Sorry Az, but I lost my confidence in your plans. Either you're lynched or no one is. I didn't say I was 100% certa...

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Also, no-lynch does NOT allow us to leverage CK's vig-shot as an extra lynch. It's not an extra lynch if you lose immediately if you're wrong about your target. The no-lynch plan eliminates all our margin for error. Lynching me instead of Imopen eliminates all our margin for error. Lynching Imopen t...

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From DK's perspective, anyways. I'm not sure it's quite so cut and dried as that, but I do know we're probably going down in flames if we mislynch on me, leave someone who's demonstrated inexplicable untargetability alive, and eliminate the only guy who took steps to give CK another vig-shot for tom...

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The other four townies get to finish building powers and Imopen can retry the cop thing so we can be more certain. Please explain how Imopen coming up with another cop result tells us *anything*. We still have only chance to lynch correctly. We can either trust Imopen's word today, or trust his wor...

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