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I don't understand how to play stuff like singleton blind obedience.

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Boarding in Eidolon vs monsters can't be correct. They have like 4 card that can trigger it... It's terrible past turn 2, and terrible topdeck. Believe it or not, it's actually more like 23. Not saying it's not terrible though. What does not trigger it: Xenagos (either one) Rampager PK SBD Vraska N...

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He has a shock in hand

Derp. Then I agree you should hold it.

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ham - he only has 3 colored mana so he can't cast 2 charms in a turn. Stupid mutavault!

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@BiddingMaster - do you find it strange that you board in Eidolon against almost everyone? Is this intentional trickery to set up game 3? If you really only keep it out against 1drop.decs it almost seems better to main deck it. On the play it's actually not bad (1/2 the time) and you can board it ou...

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This may be a weird case where you go ahead and kill Jace with YP + BC. If he doesn't have a verdict, last breath, or another jace he loses (or if he plays Rev through your skullcrack bluff). It doesn't seem to matter much - because you only have Charm which answers Jace/Verdict which answers YP Eit...

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keening does look interesting but I haven't bothered to dig through my box of commons to see if I have any.

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Hmmm.... I may be remembering an old sideboard... it's actually been a while since I played a real control deck. Actually they aren't even IN my current sideboard. I think I put in fated + reprisal instead.

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I like having 2 wear//tear available, if there is a target it's a cheap instant for pyromancer as well. I would not bring it in against control unless I saw Nyx Fleece Rams or BO.

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How does Burn consistently beat Bx decks? I don't think there is a pat answer to this. I actually think - given competent play - both matchups are fairly even and draw dependent. I think there are a few people who who say, CRUSH Bx but I think they are just better players. I am not that good but I ...

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I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised with Font of Ire... in limited. It doesn't shock me that it has some utility. Surprised that it's not paired with EoGR though - really keep the games as short as possible. Best 7 out of 13? Renounce kills ghost dad, d-sphere, and various plainswalkers too. ...

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That "other" must have a lot of white and mono blue.

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I have boarded harness in a few times but I have never cast it.

I guess I will take it out.

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That... is not mathematically sound.

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Not to get all schadenfrued-y on you but I am glad I am not the only one who finds this MU a tad challenging. I mean, when you have a fast hand with lots of pressure and they get down to about 6 life and you have a skullcrack then you are going to win. But if they can keep the board clear and hold u...

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Re: Zems list's drawing the second toil/trouble seems sketchy except vs. rev. So running 4 always gives me lemon face. Man, but it's awesome on T3, so maybe we just have to maximize it. Am I silly for wanting to run 1x YP or EGR and 3x T/T? We need ca. 8 black sources to run Erebos right? That would...

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No one likes 3 SFD 3 YP 3 EGR huh? I am actually on 2 Eidolons because I am still collecting them (4 YP). I think I like 1 YP 3 EGR main, 3 SFD 2 YP side. Getting the 2nd Eidolon down seems a little winmore. Lighning Dolt, do you really play zero chains vs. control? I guess no one plays fiendslayer ...

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The reason why eidolon weeks at all is that every deck runs mostly 2-3 cmc spells. It's really only green ramp decks that run less than 18

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Thanks for all your help Zem. Are you going to post in the limited board now?

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Not sure if this is a consideration -- but EotGR seems like a guy that causes people to panic and misplay. Probably last about 2 weeks then everyone has a plan for him.

Maybe I am crazy but what about 3 YP 3 SFD 3 EotGR in 75?

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I did test a blue counterburn deck ... turn // burn is really much, much worse than chained to the rocks. Eidolon of Great Revel shortens games, doesn't it? That's how I think about it. There are times when you want to shorten the game, and times when you don't. Most standard decks play mostly 2-3 m...

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Rollicker isn't playable, is it? Eidolon of the Great Revel seems good against control and on the play.

I guess I cut the hoplites for skull cracks vs UWx.

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Font of Ire was surprising good for me in draft. But lava axe is in M14 and we would get a token offa it.

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The way to think of Eidolon is not as how many shocks we get symmetrically, but how much shorter does it make the game? So, for example in the mirror it seems terrible on the draw but not totally insanely awful on the play. Decks it might be decent against: mono-blue weenies control (every syncopate...

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Honestly, in my limited "testing" it didn't matter. Replacing itself is very key. It SEEMS that firebreathing would be useful with Flamespeaker or when Eidolon is out and you can get a free shock in. Warhound does seem pretty good... I guess if your average card is = a 2/2 then not having ...

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Cutting magma jets? Is that even legal?

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not pure goldfish, but not real testing either lolwut Pretty sure he means he played two decks at once. Yes, I was playing both sides. It was mostly to get a feel for how fast Eidolon kills both people, so seems relevant. I have no data to indicate this deck is actually playable in a real tourney a...

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I solo tested the following a couple times (not pure goldfish, but not real testing either): [deck] Heroes 4 Akroan Crusader 4 Satyr Hoplite Villains 4 Firedrinker Satyr 4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Ash Zealot 4 Eidolon of the Great Revel 4 Prophetic Flamespeaker Enablers 4 Dragon Mantle 4 Madcap Skills 4 Tit...

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okay just finished a 40 game set vs Bg devotion list that won scgs.com last open vs [deck]Creatures 4 Chandra's Phoenix 4 Young Pyromancer Enchantments 2 Banishing Light 2 Chained to the Rocks Instants 4 Boros Charm 4 Lightning Strike 4 Magma Jet 1 Flames of the FireBrand 4 Shock 4 Skullcrack 4 War...

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The fact there there is a wide disparity in experiences between playing BGdrege leads me to conclude that there is some technique or deep background knowledge that some of us are missing. I lose against dredge but I lose lots of matches because I am not very good and the deck is pretty difficult to ...

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What about AIR or Heroic? Those decks just want the shortest possible clock since they can't really beat a 4/4 anyway.

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Act of Treason effects seem quite good against BG. I could barely win 1/2 games against the old BG dredge.

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I was kinda lazy on the math (it's more like 70% assuming you no longer want him or the game is over at turn 10) but was assuming we will see around 12 cards in a match out of 60. But I did forget the scry so maybe it's more like 14-20. Matches when we want SFD aren't normally long ones. With the AC...

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I dunno 80% of the time you will never see it.

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I do miss those firedrinkers against control. Toil//Trouble never seems to be there for me when I need it. How is this for magical xmas land. I lost a game 3 last night (Naya Monsters) to the following sequence: I have 2 YP + 2 tokens, Phoenix, Guildgate, Charm and skullcrack in hand, 3 lands. He ha...

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Why do we care about the Aggro MU when we're already favored? Well, it's hardly a bye. I didn't say swapping out a Searing blood for an OR2 was *bad*, I raised my eyebrow to indicate it was intriguing. What I find interesting about banishing light is that it's good against lots of CARDS but I am no...

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The Purp list basically subbed a Banishing Light for a Searing Blood... which is eyebrow raising. Clearly that's worse vs. anyone running 1-2 Toughness dudes, but may be better vs. the meta. I was about to call searing blood a reactive spell... but clearly it's not really the same thing. It is ... l...

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OK, OK, agreed. I am still not convinced that it's horrible as a 2 of BUT I am probably wrong. And just to be sure - it's certainly bad without Prophetic Flamespeaker (a card I give a solid "I dunno" to)

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I'd imagine the "stop" comment is because its almost offensive to suggest that Titan's Strength is the rough equivalent to Chained to the Rocks. It just doesn't even out Yeah, see that's not what I meant. Of course it's much worse than Chained. The question is -- is it better than shock (...

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Titan's Strength is bad in the same way Chained to the Rocks is bad (because it's sometimes dead or can lead to a 2-for-1). Or young pyromancer with no shock/jet back up is bad. It's actually slightly less hassle to lava spike them off of a token or pheonix than it is to get a YP out with a backup....

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