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Played first set of last standard in paper. Playing now online. UB, UW, and Temur seem to have my number. Of course it could be normal variance.

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I don't know, I think it fits the plan of being aggro game 1. You know what I think sucks tho, is the extremely overpowered blue cards in the standard format at the moment. With the oodles of cheap counters and great card draw blue has at the moment, you would think the least they could do for fires...

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I cut down to two CttR and lost the Murderous Cut for two Banishing Light main. But then again, I'm apparently not really playing Mardu Midrange

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I'm irrationally angry over a magic deck.

That's what fast combo decks that require specific narrow solutions do to people...

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Everyone just run 3/4 erase in your SB and you'll be fine VS this deck.

Yeah, vs. this deck. But that kinda screws SB plans against a BUNCH of other decks.

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How do you bust the combo?

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Is this guy headed to the top of the food chain? [deck=Jeskai Heroic Combo, Ivan Jen, 1st Place at StarCityGames.com Standard Open on 11/1/2014]Creatures (16) 4 Akroan Crusader 4 Favored Hoplite 2 Lagonna-Band Trailblazer 4 Monastery Swiftspear 2 Seeker of the Way Lands (18) 4 Battlefield Forge 3 Ma...

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you're not mardu midrange if you run swiftspear. How are you hitting your T1 untapped red consistently? This deck NEEDS the 4 Nomad Outpost and some number of temples, typically 4-8. Don't be simple. Just because there is a one drop doesn't mean it has to be played turn 1. Often both players turn 1...

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Fair enough. I guess it's just a different deck then, basically Brad Nelson's RW aggro splashing Black for Cackling Doom and Butcher, which may still be worth it or not. Uh, no. It's his Mardu list subbing in Swiftspear for Rabblemaster. Then I started fiddling around with a few other cards (banish...

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I was unimpressed with Rabblemaster, so switched to Swiftspear and just like the feel better.

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Because the list is incredibly tight and Swiftspear is incredibly low-impact in this shell. I find Swiftspear makes for more aggressive game 1s, and you just side it out if you go all control in 2/3. And Swiftspear->Seeker->Outburst into Butcher or Sorin is just sweet. And if you have to deviate on...

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Added 2 Lili main deck for a total of 7 PW main and 3 side. Feels good. When they tap out to handle one, they get slapped with another, then another, then maybe a Butcher. It's sweet!

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Yeah, I thought the field was going to narrow significantly towards abzan and jeskai, instead it full out exploded into different directions, Mardu shoring up, temur and sidisi coming up, even seen Naya and all sorts of two color decks.

All I can say is I'm so glad it's not like RtR/Theros!

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That is true. CttR acting like a blue tempo card "target opponent discards a card and taps their highest toughness creature". Blue really does seem to have an awful lot of absurdly overpowered cards this standard season. I wish they had made tapping the Sphinx a cost of giving it Hexproof ...

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So other than having a Crackling Doom in hand, how else are you guys dealing with Prognostic Sphinx?

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This is the most fun I've had in Standard since innistrad rotated. Oh, I agree, it is fun. Right now. I'm just wondering if after a few more weeks of Abzan, Jeskai, Mardu, and possibly some aggro red thrown in being pretty much the same decks in the top 32 if it will still be fun. Or is there still...

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Looking at the top lists from scg mn it looks to me that other than the (unwelcome,to me anyway) addition of BW Control, it's the same 4 or so decks in the top spots.

Is standard fully developed less than a month in?

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I was playing my Boros Fliers against some green-based 4-color deck, had him at 1 life to my 17, and the fucker Villianous Wealth'ed me for 27! Holy Schmoley!!

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Wonder what the blue/white temple is for? An extra scry? Can't be because he loves cipt lands so much...

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I really think you want Hordeling Outburst if you are looking to get the most out of Butcher, maybe even in place of Rabblemaster which just DTR.

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Nah, no prob. If this was in "Competitive" I wouldn't have posted there. "Developing" tho, seemed ok.

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not trying to be a dick, but this just seems like a less refined / powerful version of Nelson's list. Maybe, but I can't shell out for 3 Sorin, a Sarkhan, 3 Elspeth, and 3 Wingmate Roc ATM. I guess most problems can be solved with just mo'money. Wasn't meant to be a "this is the direction Mard...

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This has been treating me pretty well casually dicking around: Land - 24 3 Battlefield Forge 4 Bloodstained Mire 3 Caves of Koilos 4 Mountain 2 Swamp 2 Temple of Malice 2 Temple of Silence 4 Temple of Triumph Spells - 23 4 Lightning Strike 4 Magma Jet 3 Crackling Doom 4 Stoke the Flames 4 Mardu Char...

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Stop playing Ride Down and Palm..

Or don't, if you have fun doing it...

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MDU, you posting any YouTube vids with this deck?

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Sure does feel better than having to play tapped lands all the time and getting color screwed with a fistful of blue cards.

Be even better with an Arid Mesa reprint legal in Standard...

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Cruise > Dig here??

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Gryff stops the lifegain, SBD blocks him all day long, and there are excellent white cards to exile that fucker. They play 1 card, and we have to spend 2 to even begin to deal with it. Playtest the matchup and you'll start to see why it's so miserable. I've been trying multiple different decks, and...

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Gryff stops the lifegain, SBD blocks him all day long, and there are excellent white cards to exile that fucker.

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I do think that mantis rider is crucial to jeskai, however I dont think boros needs charm, splashing for Dig is sweet though.

So you think Strasky's list -jeskai charm, +DTT might be juicy?

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I'm talking about this deck in this standard right now. Do we need a bigger beatstick (than RM), and if so, what is it? Sarkhan? Ashcloud? Stormbreath?

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Rabblemaster is fine. For the creature curve topper? For anything. It's a good card, and claiming it to be lackluster is being disingenuous. I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. I like RM, but I wouldn't want a deck with just him and some burn spells in it, would you? If the answer is no,...

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Rabblemaster is fine.

For the creature curve topper?

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Anybody see that burn list with Treasure Cruise in it on SSG today?

EDIT: You are correct, I meant SCG. Fat-fingered the keyboard...

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Has anyone messed around with 4/4/4/3 Swiftie/Seeker/Rabble/Firedrinker in the main?

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Probably -2 rabble +2 hushwing. Arc lightning becomes titans str or gods willing.

Why not ditch them altogether for 4 grif?

Or what about Brimaz? Is he too white? I know he's too pricey!

Here's a wacky thought - Anax and Cymede - 3/2 first striker with vigilance for 1RW

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Rabble is the worst card in the deck.

What can go in it's place? The phoenix? Stormbreath? Both skew the curve up. Something white?

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Killing a creature with Searing Blood when you have Firedancer on board gives you 3 player damage and then the Dancer trigger hits another of their creatures. Man, that feels great!

Having troubles against Jeskai control. Is it worth loading up any enchantment hate?

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Seems great against Polukranos or the Mardu demon guy. Not so much against Rabblemaster or Elspeth tokens. That pretty much relegates it to SB staus, no?

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Is DP really worth having main-deck if you don't know they're going to be playing some big fatty or some single non-creature source of large? Or do you just go in assuming that?

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Jeskai Heroic Combo

Is the format stagnant already?