The only thing I haven't liked about Nuwen is that she seems to fabricate or exaggerate certain points in her cases. Basically her entire initial case on me was fabricated, and that last bit with Iso, but given her towniness in other areas (and plenty of other good points elsewhere), I've been willing to assume she's just confused on those points (especially given her motivations at the time, though Iso's case was perhaps more shady).
Iso, you say she's
dragging the town around by the nose. I realise she's been trying to do that, with little success, but how does that make her scum? Town need to convince people to join wagons too, and acting sure of a read is certainly not a scummy thing to do.
I realize that, but once we have a body, we have more to analyze. Nuwen is obfuscating that process by preventing us from getting the information we need and is instead getting information she wants - role info and reactions to pressure, which can indicate PR or not - and then leaving it at that. Would you rather run a successful wagon on a vanilla or a PR if you were scum? The latter makes you look a LOT worse.
Maybe I'm being dense, but how is she preventing us from getting information?
Just to make sure I understand the rest, you're saying that she's pushing these wagons to get reactions in an attempt to out the PR's (which is why she'd be jumping around and backtracking a bit - to get more
reactions). Based on those reactions, you think she'll ultimately try to run up a wagon on someone she thinks is vanilla and then target a PR lead with the night kill. Is that what you're saying?
She prevents us information through lack of a flip on her targets.
And yes, that's what I'm saying.
The only thing I haven't liked about Nuwen is that she seems to fabricate or exaggerate certain points in her cases. Basically her entire initial case on me was fabricated, and that last bit with Iso, but given her
towniness in other areas (and plenty of other good points elsewhere), I've been willing to assume she's just confused on those points (especially given her motivations at the time, though Iso's case was perhaps more shady).
Iso, you say she's dragging the town around by the nose. I realise she's been trying to do that, with little success, but how does that make her scum? Town need to convince people to join wagons too, and acting sure of a read is certainly not a scummy thing to do.
I realize that, but once we have a body, we have more to analyze. Nuwen is obfuscating that process by preventing us from getting the information we need and is instead getting information she wants - role info and reactions to pressure, which can indicate PR or not - and then leaving it at that. Would you rather run a successful wagon on a vanilla or a PR if you were scum? The latter makes you look a LOT worse.
Gosh, I don't see this. We've only got one
confirmed PR and Nuwen wasn't on Suga's wagon when he revealed his role. We've got a few crumbs from some people, but it seems incredibly farfetched that Nuwen is trying to differentiate between PRs and vanillas on day 1 just to push a lynch on the latter and glean information from the former.
How is that far-fetched? It's good scum play if you don't get called out for it, or can seem townie in the process.
Iso's doing far more dirt kicking than scumhunting this game. He even raises the unlikely possibility that Suga could actually be a scum double voter right when Suga's wagon was breaking up. He's actively trying to make as many people look scummy as possible.
nDoublevoter is typically a town power but we don't know what the setup is like. I'd say there's a fair chance dan wouldn't be opposed to including a scum doublevoter in this game.
And now you're fishing me because my reason for believing that relates directly to my role.
I have reason to believe there is no govenor in this game. Can't say much more than that at this point...
I have reason to believe you're retarded.
Let me put it this way
You think both Stardust and G_R clicked on this thread and said "You know what would be a great plan right now, while this Kaze wagon is still alive... VOTING FOR MY SCUM PARTNER FOR NO
REASON
"
Cross-bussing as a kneejerk is just awful and not likely. At this point in the game, scum have EVERY incentive to create MORE wagons instead of jerking each other off with some silly cross-bussing gambit. People are tired of D1 and will be looking for closure, especially now that the replacement slot is filled. If scum occupy their votes with each other, it's that much easier for town to consolidate.
You realize that this looks like you just want to lynch whatever not-you thing ends up taking the limelight.
We just disagree on everything theory-wise, don't we? Creating a scum-counterwagon while you're scum looks magnificent for either player's credibility once one of them flips. Town counterwagons are FAR more suspect.
And yeah, you kinda do need me if you expect to lynch Kaze.[/quote:
JFC people.
