Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)

[InflatablePie]

fuck it I'm done with mafia for the night, trying to decipher the WIFOM of Z's reaction isn't worth it.

y'all can figure this bullshit out when Suga comes in and just posts a votecount

[zemanjaski]

To be fair, your reads suck.

[imopen2]

also, you don't address my question about whether this makes rez town or not. you don't include him in your confirmed town pile so that means you don't believe his dayvig claim? assuming he is gambiting, what does that say about him?

[InflatablePie]

To be fair, your reads suck.

[zemanjaski]

I'm in my second game, yet I'm meant to recognise a fake vig? You're an idiot. Again, one set of rules for the other noobs, different rules for me. Put back on the red butt hurt text, it was more fun.

[zemanjaski]

If Rez is a dayvig, then he's confirmed town. If not, who knows? Probably town because he'll be coping huge heat and I don't think scum would try sonething like that. Still, Rez is a bit crazy? Not played much with. He's likely town either way.

You're likely scum.

[InflatablePie]

"you're an idiot" says the guy who just claimed doctor to an obviously fake dayvig. ffs stardust did that last game.

I want to disregard my entire read on you and call you town because even if you ARE scum fakeclaiming you won't be alive forever. but goddamn do I still want you dead.

rezzy if that was a gambit, fuck you. if it wasn't, FUCK YOU YOU SHOT THE FUCKING DOC. regardless, THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE FOR GAMBITING.

[zemanjaski]

How's it obviously fake? How the fuck am I meant to know.

[InflatablePie]

luckily rezzy is probably town for the same reason why tube was last game: scum don't usually get dayvigs.

that said, if suga put a scum dayvig in because of last game's dayvig he's an asshole.

ok ACTUALLY DONE WITH MAFIA FOR THE NIGHT

also hi GR, you got a lot of shit to wade through. have fun

[pedit] obvious to me. sorry. in the future, post reads, don't claim. just in case. it's mostly rezzy's fault anyway.

[zemanjaski]

You expect so much more from me than the other noobs. NFI why.

[InflatablePie]

YOU'RE A SHINING BEACON FOR RED MAGES, I HOLD YOU TO A HIGHER STANDARD

[zemanjaski]

Good night friend.

[zemanjaski]

Seriously Freedom's posts are ultra scummy if you read them back to back.

[( G_R )]

Aww shit. Just when I was about to declare both zem and Ipad as townies fighting each other the evil twin shows up and pulls the trigger.

In case it's not real... both of them have taken quite the risks if either was scum. No way all of this is busing. So I conclude that they're both town.

If the kill is legit, whatever you people do, DO NOT LYNCH THE VIGILANTE. Not toDay at least.

[( G_R )]

Seriously Freedom's posts are ultra scummy if you read them back to back.

[DroppinSuga]

Zemanjaski has been banned! He was Kaitscralt, Town Doctor.

The day continues! With 11 alive it's 6 for a lynch.

[zemanjaski]

>:)

[DocLawless]

So my read on him was accurate. Good to know going forward.

[rcwraspy]

Last game I don't explain shit and catch flak for it. This game I comply and explain every part of my thought process as thoroughly as I can and I get ignored. Frak you guys.

Last game = Ragnarok?

You were mafia. Are you saying you're intentionally trying to post differently from your scum game?

[rcwraspy]

oh shit just caught that flip. Damnit Rez.

Don't kill the vigilante, people, but REZ WHY DID YOU DO THAT

[Stardust]

Well that was unfortunate. In the future, if you are a dayvig (anyone!), there is zero harm in coming out before blowing your load. Z could have claimed, for example.

Now that that's over and done with, I'd like to get one scum before dying tonight. Can we lynch rcw, please?

For Z

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You are overconfident. It comes through in your writing and makes your cases seem unfair. Your PBPA of Pie's posts is a perfect example where you condescend to him constantly, imply that his motivations are scummy (or at least so wrong that no townie could think them right), then come to the conclusion that he's town anyway. You need to learn that this is a team game and work with people. Don't brush off cases by saying they're terrible. Take them seriously and prove it! Don't ignore other cases and just grill people to death - the person you're grilling is probably town. Overall you played
well, and I really would have liked to see you carry on in this game, but your attitude is going to draw negative attention in any game and hinder your own ability to hunt scum effectively.

My two cents, take 'em or leave 'em.

[DocLawless]

I need a refresher. At work now. Can't analyze at the moment. Pie may have been wrong about Zem but I think he was right about what flipping him can tell us.

[Stardust]

z: I want to be a "good townie" and hunt scum, I'm just not sure what to ask.

Have you noticed any behaviour that seemed a little odd? Just ask about it. Simple as that.

The only confirmed town are Stardust and Pie.

This is wrong. The only confirmed town are DocLawless and rezombad.

[imopen2]

Wow...I actually feel bad for this Z...I once again fall victim to tunneling. x_x

Fuck, ok, this puts Rez in the town pile at least for toDay.

Town pile:
Rez
Stardust (you aren't going to pop in at the end and say and say "lol go scum " right?) x_x
Freedom (god his posts suck but he is noob town)

Null pile:
Doclawless
Ham
RCW
LMD
G_R
Wraith
Pie

Scum pile:
???

I guess pie is the logical suspect considering his casing of Z but I tend to agree with G_R that it would have been very risky to push Z's wagon that hard considering it didn't seem like we were making very much headway in getting support for the lynch...

I really don't like how under the radar a lot of people have been.

RCW, Ham, and LMD are all in my null pile simply for their lack of content. Please post more.

Also, freedom, being
labeled town does not mean you can just watch others hunt the rest of the game. You need to help us. Pick a person who has been on a lot of people's null or scum reads and case them. Read through their posts for any interesting interactions, strange phrasing, anything that seems out ofte ordinary. You are basically useless to us right now except in POE situations

[rezombad]

@Stardust: Why is wraith bothering me so much?

Because he writes funny. Seriously.

Are you sure? I feel like I have valid reasons.

Nope. You got a case?

I thought I did but I can't remember it now
and missed this post. It'll come back to me today probably.

Can we lynch rcw, please?

Maybe, I'm ready to hear your case after this post:

oh shit just caught that flip. Damnit Rez.

Don't kill the vigilante, people, but REZ WHY DID YOU DO THAT

[rezombad]

Full disclosure: A game just ended on MTGS (Apocalypse Mafia) where I replaced out from being a scum dayvig. So don't let my role confirm me.

[rcwraspy]

Now that that's over and done with, I'd like to get one scum before dying tonight. Can we lynch rcw, please?

Because reasons? I know I don't have a lot of content, but I warned you all about that well ahead of time - even wasn't going to play until someone nudged me about it.

I RVS'd Zeman and took my vote off him when the wagon started because my vote wasn't real to begin with and I wasn't going to have time to take it off later if he got lynched and I wasn't around to agree/disagree. I later read him as "try-hard town" and it turns out I was right.

Not sure what else could be giving you scum vibes, but please case me and we'll find out.

[rcwraspy]

Maybe, I'm ready to hear your case after this post:

oh shit just caught that flip. Damnit Rez.

Don't kill the vigilante, people, but REZ WHY DID YOU DO THAT

In addition to explaining why you chose to vig Z, I now want
you to explain why asking you to explain could possibly appear scummy.

[Stardust]

Stardust, why are you wanting to kick up discussion on rcw when we have plenty of information in front of us at the moment?

I'm not exactly opposed, but I'm not liking you wanting to kickstart a conversation without offering any sort of content yourself first. Seems like you're just trying to be distracting.

Because you were going after a townie and someone I have no interest in voting for. Yes, I am offering up another (hopefully better) option. My reasoning for leaving it vague was because you were leaving the GR case vague. I wanted to see who picked up my bait vs. yours, thinking that might be telling in the coming Days. I think we're both trying to be too clever for our own good.

So here's a case!

rcwraspy's [url=http://
diestoremoval.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2064&p=160303#p160303]third post of the game[/url], first out of RVS. Gives freedom some advice, then kicks dirt Z's way by saying "fake claiming during RVS and trying to quick-lynch someone who hasn't posted any content yet" helps the scum. Even so, he asks for more of the same from Z, hoping he can somehow prove the day-cop thing? I thought that helped the scum... 1) He wants more talking about roles and 2) Apparently he's taking the claim seriously, yet holds his vote on Z.

Next up, two posts back to back where rcw furthers his interest in seeing role discussion (mine), then unvotes Z. "The vote may come back when I do, depending on content and my reads" allows rcw to gauge the gamestate on his return. He takes no stance whatesoever on either the gambit or the claims. All his focus is on the
wagon, not the why.

Now a big post:

@Stardust - Not pissed that you didn't give Z a yes or no at all. Power roles should be kept quiet right now, though I know you like breadcrumbs. I said it will be interesting to see what you say - in other words, interesting to see how you respond and what we can take away from it, not necessarily expecting a "yes I'm a cop" or "no I'm not a cop." Regarding the takeaway - so far

This bit reminds me very much of this post in Ragnarok. It's kinda... weak? Like, getting involved in the least involved way possible.

RE: Freedom. Wow what a tell, but way too good to be true. Noobtown through and through - safe day 1 and likely day 2 also.

1) Believes it without question, 2) Quotes another player ("too good to be true"), 3) Follows the crowd, calling him noobtown without mentioning that it's based on freedom's townie follow-up.

re: Zem. Honestly he's reading more "try-hard town" to me than anything else right now. I'm having a hard time lining up scum motivations for a lot of his remarks and questions, though it could be as simple as either trying to appear the most town or trying to get people to sheep his targets.

"Honestly" is a weak scum tell in this
context. More importantly, fence-sits like nobodies business on zem. This is further reinforced by this post later on. He was obviously pretty unsure about his town read before my post, but then he verbalizes very clearly, "Oh, shucks, I guess he might be scum after all!" ... I think he's acting.

Questions my town read on Doc despite having a town read himself. This makes no sense from a town perspective. Scum care a lot about who is confirmed town and who isn't both for nightkilling and for planning the next mislynch. Town accept that things are unknown and work with what they have. He wasn't going to make a case on Doc regardless of my read. That question is useless coming from town (and something townies don't generally think about at all).

And then his response to Z's flip. 1) Pretty fake? and 2) Blames rezombad when a number of people thought Z could be scum (including rcw himself if you're following along!)

[Stardust]

Wraith, is this your first game?

[rcwraspy]

Stardust, why are you wanting to kick up discussion on rcw when we have plenty of information in front of us at the moment?

I'm not exactly opposed, but I'm not liking you wanting to kickstart a conversation without offering any sort of content yourself first. Seems like you're just trying to be distracting.

Because you were going after a townie and someone I have no interest in voting for. Yes, I am offering up another (hopefully better) option. My reasoning for leaving it vague was because you were leaving the GR case vague. I wanted to see who picked up my bait vs. yours,
thinking that might be telling in the coming Days. I think we're both trying to be too clever for our own good.

So here's a case!

1. rcwraspy's third post of the game, first out of RVS. Gives freedom some advice, then kicks dirt Z's way by saying "fake claiming during RVS and trying to quick-lynch someone who hasn't posted any content yet" helps the scum. Even so, he asks for more of the same from Z, hoping he can somehow prove the day-cop thing? I thought that helped the scum... 1) He wants more talking about roles and 2) Apparently he's taking the claim seriously, yet holds his vote on Z.

2. Next up, two posts back to back where rcw furthers his interest in seeing role discussion (mine), then unvotes Z. "The vote may come back when I do,
depending on content and my reads" allows rcw to gauge the gamestate on his return. He takes no stance whatesoever on either the gambit or the claims. All his focus is on the wagon, not the why.

3. Now a big post:

@Stardust - Not pissed that you didn't give Z a yes or no at all. Power roles should be kept quiet right now, though I know you like breadcrumbs. I said it will be interesting to see what you say - in other words, interesting to see how you respond and what we can take away from it, not necessarily expecting a "yes I'm a cop" or "no I'm not a cop." Regarding the takeaway - so far

This bit reminds me very much of [url=viewtopic.php?f=111&
amp;t=1970&p=145965#p145965]this post[/url] in Ragnarok. It's kinda... weak? Like, getting involved in the least involved way possible.

4.

RE: Freedom. Wow what a tell, but way too good to be true. Noobtown through and through - safe day 1 and likely day 2 also.

1) Believes it without question, 2) Quotes another player ("too good to be true"), 3) Follows the crowd, calling him noobtown without mentioning that it's based on freedom's townie follow-up.

5.

re: Zem. Honestly he's reading more "try-hard town" to me than anything else right now. I'm having a hard time lining up scum motivations for a lot of his remarks and
questions, though it could be as simple as either trying to appear the most town or trying to get people to sheep his targets.

"Honestly" is a weak scum tell in this context. More importantly, fence-sits like nobodies business on zem. This is further reinforced by this post later on. He was obviously pretty unsure about his town read before my post, but then he verbalizes very clearly, "Oh, shucks, I guess he might be scum after all!" ... I think he's acting.

6. Questions my town read on Doc despite having a town read himself. This makes no sense from a town perspective. Scum care a lot about who is confirmed town and who isn't both for nightkilling and for planning the next mislynch. Town accept that things are unknown and work with
what they have. He wasn't going to make a case on Doc regardless of my read. That question is useless coming from town (and something townies don't generally think about at all).

7. And then his response to Z's flip. 1) Pretty fake? and 2) Blames rezombad when a number of people thought Z could be scum (including rcw himself if you're following along!)

I added numbers to my Stardust quote, but that's all I changed. Hopefully it makes it easier to respond.

1. I'm looking for information and I was trying to figure out what the hell was going on. I'm horrible at reading gambits so far and worse at responding to them apparently. He claimed he knew for sure someone was scum, and I wanted to know how much I could believe him so we could make sure to lynch a scum. I held my vote on Z because at that point, even though I knew my vote was on him from RVS, it didn't
dawn on me to unvote until a wagon started on him.

2. "All his focus is on the wagon, not the why." Completely untrue. Are you a mind-reader now, Stardust? If yes you need to work on that a bit more. I was telling everybody that I was taking my vote off him FOR THE TIME BEING. But that I when I was able to I'd come back and re-read Z's posts both to that point and in the interim (which was made extremely difficult by the huge walls but whatevs). And in fact I did come back, read it, and read it as try-hard town. And oh, I even said so too. And I didn't want info on your claim, I wanted to see how you responded.

3. Umm, ok? Weak case on a weak statement is weak? At this point in the game Z and Stardust were creating most of the content, and I wanted to see how Stardust responded to me. When two players are going after eachother I figure it's a good thing to find out which is scum and which is town so you can lynch correctly? We now know Z was town.

4. Yeah, I semi-quoted
other players. My bad. I was flying through the thread trying to catch up and paraphrased just to get my thoughts out there - they happened to match that of some other folks regarding Freedom. My bad for taking shortcuts.

5. Honestly I was honestly trying to be honest and I honestly don't see how honestly is a scumtell. Honestly. Now that word looks/sounds weird to me. Thanks for ruining a word for me, Stardust. Honestly . I can see how this is extremely vague and again that's my bad, but I had a "try-hard town" read on Z and your post rocked that read a bit. Again was trying to post quickly.

6. This is similar to #2 and #3. I want to see how your mind works in this game, Stardust. Your back-and-forth with Z was good, and ironically your case on me is helping with that too lol.

7. Saying I thought Z was scum is misrepresenting a bit. My "waffle" on Z was
that your post left me doubting my "try-hard town" read on him - not that all of a sudden I thought he was scum. I didn't blame Rez - I was just shocked because Z was a doc and that's important. But I do want to hear more from Rez on his thought process for doing it.

[Stardust]

Your back-and-forth with Z was good, and ironically your case on me is helping with that too lol.

Am I town?

[Wraith223]

Wraith, is this your first game?

Yes.

I like your reads on rcwraspy. He appears to hiding, evading, and counter stiring the pot in his posts.
His responses have my gut going from to . If I can't get more people to vote InflatablePie with our disscusions; I probably will vote with you.

Had time to sleep think over GR. Not enough data to get a sigificant read or ask a question beyong who do you think is scum?. If he wants to answer; please do.

I still have InflateablePie as scum. His overt aggresion to much to not be ignored.
I get aggresive but do not use extreme fonts or extreme language as he did. Being aggresive is art for the purpose of tesing barriers while not looking rabid with hate for no reason. His gambit at drawing out Zem was a complete farse and now we know he was extremly wrong. Asking for people to vote is OK, but reserved contradicting reasons for a joining of forces makes no sense. What are your reads on him?

Zem is really good at feeding the fires of short fuse people, and it's hilarious (he played a good House charactor this game). I am still unclear how he got banned?

I stand in front of the TV moniter in OPs watching InflatablePie curse the town. Now I change the feed to rcwraspy watching everyone else from the starbucks while on his laptop thinkning no one is watching him. I take a sip of my drink, and sigh due to my Ducky being kicked out of his pond.

[rcwraspy]

Your back-and-forth with Z was good, and ironically your case on me is helping with that too lol.

Am I town?

I have you as null right now. This is my 3rd game with you, but in the first we were scumbuddies and in the 2nd you died fairly quickly. So I'm trying to figure you out still.

[hamfactorial]

I had Pie in my scum list from last night, but he was the only one I could point at with a real reason. The other two, Raspy and LMD, were there as a result of lurking. I said Z was town in my reply to him, and he's clearly picking things up faster than me, but then he says here that Pie and Stardust are confirmed town. Pie tried to start up a wagon on Z with this post, then they bicker for a while until Rez kills Z.

Now I don't know what to think. Why did Z read Pie as town, and Pie read Z as scum? Either the whole thing is an elaborate setup to catch bandwagons (which Rez screwed up with the vig), or Z was completely wrong about Pie being town.

Aww shit. Just when I was about to declare both zem and Ipad as townies fighting each other the evil twin shows up and pulls the trigger.

In case it's not real... both of them have taken quite the risks if either was scum. No way all of this is busing. So I conclude that they're both town.

If the kill is legit, whatever you people do, DO NOT LYNCH THE VIGILANTE. Not toDay at least.

Why shouldn't we lynch the vigilante? I'm not sure how this should work in mafia theory land. I clicked on this link but the MafiaScum wiki seems to be down. I'd appreciate some background on this from more experienced players.

Stardust's Wall of Text

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Stardust, why are you wanting to kick up discussion on rcw when we have plenty of information in front of us at the moment?

I'm not exactly opposed, but I'm not liking you wanting to kickstart a conversation without offering any sort of content yourself first. Seems like you're just trying to be distracting.

Because you were going after a townie and someone I have no interest in voting for. Yes, I am offering up another (hopefully better) option. My reasoning for leaving it vague was because you were leaving the GR case vague. I wanted to see who picked up my bait vs. yours, thinking that might be telling in the coming Days. I think we're both trying to be too clever for our own good.

So here's a case!

rcwraspy's [url=viewtopic.php?f=13&
amp;t=2064&p=160303#p160303]third post of the game[/url], first out of RVS. Gives freedom some advice, then kicks dirt Z's way by saying "fake claiming during RVS and trying to quick-lynch someone who hasn't posted any content yet" helps the scum. Even so, he asks for more of the same from Z, hoping he can somehow prove the day-cop thing? I thought that helped the scum... 1) He wants more talking about roles and 2) Apparently he's taking the claim seriously, yet holds his vote on Z.

Next up, two posts back to back where rcw furthers his interest in seeing role discussion (mine), then unvotes Z. "The vote may come back when I do, depending on content and my reads" allows rcw to gauge the gamestate on his return. He takes no stance whatesoever on either the gambit or the claims. All his focus is on the wagon, not the why.
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Now a big post:

@Stardust - Not pissed that you didn't give Z a yes or no at all. Power roles should be kept quiet right now, though I know you like breadcrumbs. I said it will be interesting to see what you say - in other words, interesting to see how you respond and what we can take away from it, not necessarily expecting a "yes I'm a cop" or "no I'm not a cop." Regarding the takeaway - so far

This bit reminds me very much of this post in Ragnarok. It's kinda... weak? Like, getting involved in the least involved way possible.

RE: Freedom. Wow what a tell, but way too good to be true. Noobtown through and through - safe day 1 and likely day 2 also.

1) Believes it without question, 2) Quotes another player ("too good to be true"), 3) Follows the crowd, calling him noobtown without mentioning that it's based on freedom's townie follow-up.

re: Zem. Honestly he's reading more "try-hard town" to me than anything else right now. I'm having a hard time lining up scum motivations for a lot of his remarks and questions, though it could be as simple as either trying to appear the most town or trying to get people to sheep his targets.

"Honestly&
quot; is a weak scum tell in this context. More importantly, fence-sits like nobodies business on zem. This is further reinforced by this post later on. He was obviously pretty unsure about his town read before my post, but then he verbalizes very clearly, "Oh, shucks, I guess he might be scum after all!" ... I think he's acting.

Questions my town read on Doc despite having a town read himself. This makes no sense from a town perspective. Scum care a lot about who is confirmed town and who isn't both for nightkilling and for planning the next mislynch. Town accept that things are unknown and work with what they have. He wasn't going to make a case on Doc regardless of my read. That question is useless coming from town (and something townies don't
generally think about at all).

And then his response to Z's flip. 1) Pretty fake? and 2) Blames rezombad when a number of people thought Z could be scum (including rcw himself if you're following along!)

This looks like a thorough case, and I thought Raspy's response to Z's kill was pretty disingenuous as well. Now he's here responding to you and being more involved. You've played with him before, does he perk up when addressed, or is this just coincidence that the two of you are here at the same time?

[rcwraspy]

I am still unclear how he got banned?

I think "banned" is simply Suga's way of saying dead in this game, since it's DTR-"themed". He was killed by Rezombad.

[Stardust]

I like your reads on rcwraspy. He appears to hiding, evading, and counter stiring the pot in his posts.

Can you flesh that out a bit? Where do you think he is "counter stiring the pot"? Do you think he may appear to be hiding just because he doesn't have a lot of time to play the game?

I still have InflateablePie as scum. His overt aggresion to much to not be ignored. I get aggresive but do not use extreme fonts or extreme language as he did. Being aggresive is art for the purpose of tesing barriers while not looking rabid with hate for no reason. His gambit at drawing out
Zem was a complete farse and now we know he was extremly wrong. Asking for people to vote is OK, but reserved contradicting reasons for a joining of forces makes no sense. What are your reads on him?

I don't know. He's had a few townie responses, but none that are particularly difficult to fake. The major concerning thing to me is his line about how GR is scum no matter what zeman flips, but they're probably scum together. I'll just quote that...

Please note that there's a slim chance you're still town and GR could still be scum, that reasoning still holds even if I take out the last sentence.

I think his justification for a Wraith, zeman, GR scumteam is super weak too. He's trying too hard to tie people and getting it wrong. He pushed Z to death and then flips his read when Z claims Doc... but then back
again. It felt unnatural amid the red-font tirade. Now that I'm typing all this out, I should probably do a thorough reread of Pie. We've got enough content now that I'll stand a decent chance of calling him correctly. Later today maybe.

[rcwraspy]

Last game I don't explain shit and catch flak for it. This game I comply and explain every part of my thought process as thoroughly as I can and I get ignored. Frak you guys.

Last game = Ragnarok?

You were mafia. Are you saying you're intentionally trying to post differently from your scum game?

Don't forget this little part when you case him, Stardust. I read it as a scumtell.

[Stardust]

1. I'm looking for information and I was trying to figure out what the hell was going on. I'm horrible at reading gambits so far and worse at responding to them apparently. He claimed he knew for sure someone was scum, and I wanted to know how much I could believe him so we could make sure to lynch a scum. I held my vote on Z because at that point, even though I knew my vote was on him from RVS, it didn't dawn on me to unvote until a wagon started on him.

It didn't dawn on you? You talked about unvoting in your first post, then decided not to... "Not yet, not yet" if I remember right. Was that not a real vote at the time?

2. "All his focus is on the wagon, not the why." Completely untrue. Are you a mind-reader now, Stardust? If yes you need to work on that a bit more. I was telling everybody that I was taking my vote off him FOR THE TIME BEING. But that I when I was able to I'd come back and re-read Z's posts both to that point and in the interim (which was made extremely difficult by the huge walls but whatevs). And in fact I did come back, read it, and read it as try-hard town. And oh, I even said so too. And I didn't want info on your claim, I wanted to see how you responded.

All I can go off of is what you say. You said nothing concrete about the case or your read whatsoever, instead focusing completely on the wagon.

3. Umm, ok? Weak case on a weak statement is weak?
At this point in the game Z and Stardust were creating most of the content, and I wanted to see how Stardust responded to me. When two players are going after eachother I figure it's a good thing to find out which is scum and which is town so you can lynch correctly? We now know Z was town.

This implies that I am scum. Explain.

4. Yeah, I semi-quoted other players. My bad. I was flying through the thread trying to catch up and paraphrased just to get my thoughts out there - they happened to match that of some other folks regarding Freedom. My bad for taking shortcuts.

Yep.

5. Honestly I was honestly trying to be honest and I honestly don't
see how honestly is a scumtell. Honestly. Now that word looks/sounds weird to me. Thanks for ruining a word for me, Stardust. Honestly . I can see how this is extremely vague and again that's my bad, but I had a "try-hard town" read on Z and your post rocked that read a bit. Again was trying to post quickly.

Responds to pressure with jokes? Check.

You read him as try hard town who might still be scum. Then said you'd need to reevaluate. Then you attacked rezombad for choosing to do something that you were at best unsure of. Losing the Doc sucks, but it's easy to understand why that happened. It also helps us by giving us concrete information (though probably not more than it hurts us ). Your reaction was forced.

6. This is similar to #2 and #3. I want to see how your mind works in this game, Stardust. Your back-and-forth with Z was good, and ironically your case on me is helping with that too lol.

How is my case on you helping? Are all these minor questions directed towards me helping with your read, or is it just more, "Well... that was a good answer, but he might still be scum!"?

7. Saying I thought Z was scum is misrepresenting a bit. My "waffle" on Z was that your post left me doubting my "try-hard town" read on him - not that all of a sudden I thought he was scum. I didn't blame Rez - I was just shocked because Z was a doc and that's important. But I do want
to hear more from Rez on his thought process for doing it.

[Wraith223]

I like your reads on rcwraspy. He appears to hiding, evading, and counter stiring the pot in his posts.

Can you flesh that out a bit? Where do you think he is "counter stiring the pot"? Do you think he may appear to be hiding just because he doesn't have a lot of time to play the game?

I still have InflateablePie as scum. His overt aggresion to much to not be ignored. I get aggresive but do not use
extreme fonts or extreme language as he did. Being aggresive is art for the purpose of tesing barriers while not looking rabid with hate for no reason. His gambit at drawing out Zem was a complete farse and now we know he was extremly wrong. Asking for people to vote is OK, but reserved contradicting reasons for a joining of forces makes no sense. What are your reads on him?

I don't know. He's had a few townie responses, but none that are particularly difficult to fake. The major concerning thing to me is his line about how GR is scum no matter what zeman flips, but they're probably scum together. I'll just quote that...

Please note that there's a slim chance you're still town and GR could still be scum, that reasoning still holds even if I take out the last sentence.

I think his justification for a
Wraith, zeman, GR scumteam is super weak too. He's trying too hard to tie people and getting it wrong. He pushed Z to death and then flips his read when Z claims Doc... but then back again. It felt unnatural amid the red-font tirade. Now that I'm typing all this out, I should probably do a thorough reread of Pie. We've got enough content now that I'll stand a decent chance of calling him correctly. Later today maybe.

When I read rcw. posts. He does not actually give any reads on others without a previous read (he just throws a summery together). Maybe counter stir is the wrong term...how about "playing us". He jokes in responses, uses circular reasoning, and is throwing votes around that make little sense. I may need to re-read his posts more.

Let rephrase on Zem's banning. How the hell did Rezembod kill him? I am so confused.