Mountain (Standard)Boros Burn 2.0

Discussions about the Standard format

Moderators: Kaitscralt, Christen, zemanjaski

User avatar
Platypus
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 1448
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:30 pm
Has thanked: 211 times
Been thanked: 46 times

Post #241 by Platypus » Sat Oct 18, 2014 9:40 pm

Purp » Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:14 pm wrote:I think the 3 arc lightning should be searing blood. It's really good right now, especially when the idea is to race G1. I would also do -1 mountain +1 crag/plains/mana confluence.


Both suggestions are good. I thought about the land issue myself. Arc Lightning might not be needed maindeck since small dudes aggro isn't so popular right now. About Searing Blood...it's obviously good against Jeskai, but against Abzan it felt like a wasted slot. Sided it out in all my matches. It kills nothing on its own, but together with the creatures it can take down Courser and the Rhino, but that's a 2-for-1. So I'm not so fond of it, but please enlight me.
Image

Sig by NBW

User avatar
Rhyno
Regular Member
Posts: 167
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:52 pm
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 9 times

Post #242 by Rhyno » Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:21 am

Went undefeated at Game Day today (glorified weekly with Top 8 ), deck ran great. Was even less happy with Deflecting Palm, will probably cut it for something more consistent. Arc Lightning has been pretty stinky too, I would much rather be casting a Crackling Doom.

I think you guys are insane running 9-10 mountains with CttR though. I'm at 12 and I still have games where I can't cast it. I swear people are just casting it without mountains or something if they think 9-10 is dandy.

Oh and Rabblemaster is still busted.

NotARobot
Regular Member
Posts: 265
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun May 04, 2014 5:55 am
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Post #243 by NotARobot » Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:24 am

List Rhyno?

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #244 by BrainsickHater » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:18 am

So last time I checked Brad Nelson was 11-2 with a version of this deck splashing black for Sorin, Butcher, Crackling Doom, and Murderous Cut. Possibly others but I've only seen what I saw.

The mardu variant may be real.

NotARobot
Regular Member
Posts: 265
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun May 04, 2014 5:55 am
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Post #245 by NotARobot » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:30 am

2 sligh in top 8, Nelson is 3rd seed. His deck looks pretty sick - Sorin is such a beating with tokens, cant wait to try it.

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #246 by BrainsickHater » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:39 am

Butcher too. Curving Hordeling Outburst into Butcher lets you haste+lifelink in aggro matchups which is just nuts.

One of my friends built a mardu tokens deck. It was overall pretty shaky, but it had the interactions Brad seems to have recognized as powerful, and they were very difficult to beat.

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #247 by BrainsickHater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:04 pm

Got more reps in and played against Jeskai 3 times and a mardu deck that seemed kind of similar to Brad Nelson's from GP LA.

The first two games against Jeskai were won easily enough, their manabase was a huge liability.

I lost games 2 and 3 against the mardu deck. Game 2 I threw very hard. In the first game he didn't do very much so I thought he might be on a controlling variant of mardu. I drew a second Swiftspear with five lands in play and slammed it plus stoke the flames, hoping to get him pretty dead before he could do very much. He bile blighted my swiftspears and followed up with a Stormbreath Dragon. Chained + Banishing Light + Lightning Strike never looked so awkward. I don't think I would have expected Bile Blight, but I should have held stoke; my entire life total was taken by that dragon. Game 3 I stumbled on mana and could not race Sarkhan. That guy is a huge problem for this deck.

I lost games 2 and 3 against the last Jeskai deck I played against as well. Turns out he was on the strasky variant and I didn't do enough thinking to realize it. I ended up bringing in Magma Sprays and not siding out many Searing Bloods because against the last two jeskai decks the cards were fine (those were playing rabblemaster). He ended up siding out all his gryffs and his ashcloud phoenix (because he saw Chandra game 1) so most of my two-point burn spells were pretty dead. So I ended up with some reasonably dead cards and few ways to efficiently handle a Sarkhan, which I lost to in both games. Sarkhan really is a bitch. Game 3 I think I pulled the trigger on Deflecting Palm too early and I could have scuplted the game around it to encourage him to use the lifelink mode on Jeskai Charm, which would have given me the 1 extra damage I ended up needing to win the game.

Overall I just realized how weak this deck is to Sarkhan once the waiting game begins against an opposing RWx variant. I have 2 Banishing Lights in the board, and I don't really think I want to go up to 3, so I'm wondering how else people have been beating the card. Here are some things I'll likely be trying:
- Boarding in 1x Erase against Jeskai because I've had my Banishing Light banished by theirs and I sometimes need that Sarkhan to go away.
- Actually finding some Hordeling Outbursts and using that card to destroy the waiting game since Jeskai doesn't really have cards that matchup well against it.
- Overall just being more aggressive to get the Jeskai player to low enough life total so that I can race Sarkhan with burn
- Possibly boarding my own Sarkhans, but I think the card is just worse in my deck and against theirs
- Putting more jeskai-hate cards in the board so I can board all my weak spells when need be

User avatar
Platypus
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 1448
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:30 pm
Has thanked: 211 times
Been thanked: 46 times

Post #248 by Platypus » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:12 pm

Fated Conflagration? Removes Siege Rhino as well, among other creatures. One instead of the third Banishing Light?
Image

Sig by NBW

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #249 by BrainsickHater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:14 pm

Conflagration is just....so bad. I wouldn't want it against Rhino, you don't gain any tempo/vca and they get a drain 3 trigger. Literally the only card I would want it for is Sarkhan, and drawing it whenever they don't have one seems really bad.

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #250 by BrainsickHater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:25 pm

Will be trying out this SB:
[deck]
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Ride Down
1 Deflecting Palm
1 Evolving Wilds
2 Erase
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
2 Banishing Light
2 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Hushwing Gryff
[/deck]

I will probably have to play something else instead of Brimaz's because they are a million dollars and I don't have any. Suggestions appreciated.

Board breakdown:
- Chandra: Good against X/1s and control (nice card for decks that could show up but are unlikely to)
- Ride Down: Good with Rabble and against big butts
- Deflecting Palm: Good when opponents have to turn the corner on you or they're giving beefy dudes lifelink
- Evolving Wilds: need more lands to support stormy, also more white sources for when Brimaz comes in (this could be a different land I picked kinda hastily)
- Erase: enchantment hate yay
- Brimaz: Good against all the variants of this deck
- Banishing Light: problems be gone
- Stormbreath: Fk you abzan
- Hushwing Gryff: double fk you abzan

Possible Brimaz replacements on my radar:
- 3rd Banishing Light
- Suspension Field
- Magma Spray (which I cut because aggro isn't around too much and they're not even guaranteed useful against Jeskai)
- Circle of Flame cuz why not auto-win against aggro
- Hordeling outburst cuz it's good against Jeskai

EDIT: It's worth noting I maindeck 3 hordeling outburst

User avatar
Purp
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 2063
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:06 pm
Medals: 1
:
Post #200000
Has thanked: 79 times
Been thanked: 122 times

Post #251 by Purp » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:24 pm

Brainsick out of curiosity, how many matches have you played?
Image

yurp yurp

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #252 by BrainsickHater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:50 pm

Not nearly enough. Probably around 20. Unfortunately my addiction to this game is mostly fed vicariously through forums and articles when school is in session.

This leads to my incessant posting because the next best thing to playing magic is thinking/talking about every chance I get. Apologies if I shit all over the thread.

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #253 by BrainsickHater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:51 pm

I'm really just trying to get people to tell me if I'm right or wrong about things because I don't have the experience/time to find out for myself.

User avatar
Platypus
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 1448
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:30 pm
Has thanked: 211 times
Been thanked: 46 times

Post #254 by Platypus » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:58 pm

I know that feeling. What is you main deck btw (you probably posted it earlier)? I haven't the necessary experience with the deck myself, so I can't really help. I'm unsure about those Ride Down and Deflecting Palm myself, but I haven't really seen them in action either. Have you considered Reprisal/Pillar of Light/Glare of Heresy in their place? Not really the same use, but something I noticed when playing against Abzan Midrange was that they often just played Glare of Heresy to remove CttR or BL.
Image

Sig by NBW

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #255 by BrainsickHater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:35 pm

Platypus » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:58 am wrote:I know that feeling. What is you main deck btw (you probably posted it earlier)? I haven't the necessary experience with the deck myself, so I can't really help. I'm unsure about those Ride Down and Deflecting Palm myself, but I haven't really seen them in action either. Have you considered Reprisal/Pillar of Light/Glare of Heresy in their place? Not really the same use, but something I noticed when playing against Abzan Midrange was that they often just played Glare of Heresy to remove CttR or BL.


Decklist (+SB for easy reading):
[deck]
Dudes
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
1 Hushwing Gryff

Non-Dudes
4 Searing Blood
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Chained to the Rocks
3 Hordeling Outburst

Lands
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Temple of Triumph
1 Evolving Wilds
11 Mountain
2 Plains

Sideboard
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Ride Down
1 Deflecting Palm
1 Evolving Wilds
2 Erase
2 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
2 Banishing Light
2 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Hushwing Gryff
[/deck]

On the topic of Reprisal, Glare, etc.
I decided I didn't want to be too reactive, and that I would rather play cards like Stormbreath Dragon and Hushwing Gryff that matched up well and applied pressure.

I definitely like Deflecting Palm as a one-of, and I'm still testing Ride Down. Deflecting Palm is occasionally game-breaking, and there are matchups where I believe it is almost always at least fine. In the Jeskai matchup for example, Deflecting a large beater + Jeskai Charm for lifelink is gamebreaking. In other situations it lets you screw up math and give you enough time/damage to burn them out. You can usually sculpt the game around it having a very high impact, and one of two things will happen: they either don't think you play the card and play right into it, or they think you have the card and just get afraid to do anything. Both of these situations are very good. Having it as a one-of is just recognizing that the card has the potential to be totally dead or very bad.

If you don't play Rabblemaster, don't play Ride Down. I do play Rabblemaster and I don't see that changing anytime soon (sorry purp), and Ride Down plays well with the card. You can swing with a 1/1 which gives away zero information and take their fatty. You can also telegraph that you have the card when you don't and get free attacks with rabblemaster (especially if they've seen the card once).

Really, half the power of the one-ofs comes from the fact that once I've shown them to my opponent, I can begin to represent these cards when I don't have them, which is a very powerful option to have available. Against a Jeskai opponent I got him to stop attacking with his Sarkhan for a couple turns because he didn't want to turn on my Deflecting Palm (he didn't attack with it until a Sarkhan hit would put me in burn range). I rode a Knuckleblade down with a Rabblemaster token against a Temur deck and he respected me having RW up for the rest of the match. So as of now I'm happy with them, but Ride Down may get cut in the future since it's arguably more narrow than Palm.

User avatar
Purp
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 2063
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:06 pm
Medals: 1
:
Post #200000
Has thanked: 79 times
Been thanked: 122 times

Post #256 by Purp » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:27 pm

Stop playing Ride Down and Palm..
Image

yurp yurp

User avatar
Zooligan
Regular Member
Posts: 364
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:12 am
Location: Rock Hill, SC
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 27 times

Post #257 by Zooligan » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:02 am

Purp » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:27 pm wrote:Stop playing Ride Down and Palm..


Or don't, if you have fun doing it...

User avatar
Jasper
Regular Member
Posts: 231
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:45 am
Location: Arlington, TX
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 12 times

Post #258 by Jasper » Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:25 pm

R/W burn shell, splashing black:

[deck]
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Hordeling Outburst

4 Chained to the Rocks
2 Banishing Light
4 Magma Jet
4 Searing Blood
4 Lightning Strike
4 Crackling Doom
4 Stoke the Flames

Lands 22
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Nomad Outpost
6 Mountain
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Mana Confluence
1 Plains
1 Swamp
[/deck]

Red: 20
White: 11
Black: 11
Mountains for CttR: 11

Any recommendations for improving the mana base will be considered. I plan to test this a bit today.

Hordeling Outburst is in a strictly better spot than Goblin Rabblemaster right now. The format has tons of spot removal, but not a lot of sweepers, at least not in the main. Hordeling Outburst also triggers Prowess, so for this shell, it's just better in general. The only card I think is worth changing is the 2-of Banishing Light. It could just as easily be 2 Hushwing Gryff in the main, or 2 Suspension Field. Not sure what would be best in the current format, but I do know that I like having a bajillion cards to trigger prowess. Raise the Alarm is alright, but it's at it's best against small creature aggro decks which are not too prevalent.

Making sideboards is always my weakest aspect in magic:
[deck]
4 Hushwing Gryff
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
3 Despise
2 Thoughtseize
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Erase
[/deck]

AledM11
Newcomer
Posts: 23
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:52 pm
Has thanked: 1 time

Post #259 by AledM11 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:32 am

Definitely interested as to how your deck is testing jasper. I've been meaning to run something almost identical for a while. Keep us updated!

User avatar
BrainsickHater
Regular Member
Posts: 325
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 17 times

Post #260 by BrainsickHater » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:28 pm

I like maindeck Ashcloud Phoenix and that would let you move the Banishing Lights to the side.

User avatar
dpaine88
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 920
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:16 am
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 50 times

Post #261 by dpaine88 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:49 am

Found this list that Christian Calcano played at GPLA and did pretty well with.

Thought it was interesting.

[deck]
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Ashcloud Phoenix
3 Stormbreath Dragon

4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Chained to the Rocks
2 Suspension Field
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
1 Banishing Light

4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge
2 Wind-Scarred Crag
1 Temple of Enlightenment
12 Mountain
2 Plains

SB:
3 End Hostilities
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Fated Conflagration
2 Chandra Pyromaster
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Banishing Light
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
[/deck]
Burn baby burn!

User avatar
Zooligan
Regular Member
Posts: 364
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:12 am
Location: Rock Hill, SC
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 27 times

Post #262 by Zooligan » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:11 pm

Wonder what the blue/white temple is for? An extra scry? Can't be because he loves cipt lands so much...

User avatar
PirateKingAtomsk
Regular Member
Posts: 173
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:28 pm
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 14 times

Post #263 by PirateKingAtomsk » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:33 pm

with a slegdehammer build like that with a higher curve i wouldn't be surprise if its just an extra white source with scry.

edit: you could also use it to mess with your opponent so they think your running jeskai.
redthirst » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:46 pm wrote:" :symtap: : Destroy target orifice."

User avatar
Purp
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 2063
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:06 pm
Medals: 1
:
Post #200000
Has thanked: 79 times
Been thanked: 122 times

Post #264 by Purp » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:28 pm

It's for the extra scry and white source, for the same reason we ran silence last season even when not playing toil.
Image

yurp yurp

User avatar
Jasper
Regular Member
Posts: 231
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:45 am
Location: Arlington, TX
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 12 times

Post #265 by Jasper » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:00 am

Never did do much testing on that RWb build I posted above. Anyone else try it out?

I'm liking Crackling Doom more and more from reading about it and seeing it played in other decks.

User avatar
dauntless268
Regular Member
Posts: 313
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:35 pm
Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 46 times

Post #266 by dauntless268 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:39 am

Took Mardu Burn to a 6-3 finish (39th place, 240 players) at the MOCS today

[deck]
Lands 24
4 Nomad Outpost
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Caves of Kolios
4 Bloodstained Mire
6 Mountain
1 Swamp
1 Temple of Triumph

Creatures & Hordes 17
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
3 Butcher of the Horde
2 Hordeling Outburst

Burn 11
3 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames

Planeswalkers 2
2 Sarkhan, Dragonspeaker

Other 6
4 Crackling Doom
2 Chained to the Rocks

Sideboard 15
2 Erase
2 Hushwing Gryff
2 Scouring Sands
1 Murderous Cut
4 Searing Blood
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
[/deck]

It’s a pretty straightforward Burn Deck that splashes Black for Cackling Doom and Butcher. Compared to the RW variant, you get a little more game against the midrange decks (where the lifeloss is rather irrelevant) and you are a little weaker against Boss Sligh (of which I faced none in the MOCS).

Tournament Report
Round 1 vs. Rvng (Mardu Control) 2-1
Deck with Brimaz, Rabblemaster, Butcher and a ton of removal. Very close match, lost g1, managed to burn him out g2+3. Eidolon did a ton of work

Round 2 vs. Bradfordlee (GR Devo) 2-0
Won g1 rather clearly by curving Seeker -> Rabblemaster, he stumbled on Mana g2 and I managed to win on the back of a Sarkhan. Hornet Queen came too late. May want Souring Sands here?

Round 3 vs. Hosaboy (Mardu Control) 1-2
Same deck as Rd.1. He always had multiple creatures that I couldn’t keep up with. Was expecting he’d side in more removal and out threats, not doing so won him the game

Round 4 vs. TiuTang Clan (Abzan Reanimator) 2-0
Won g1 on the back of a Swiftspear backed up by Removal and Burn. G2 I had an Erase for his Whip

Round 5 vs. BradPitKeeper (RW aggro) 1-2
Lost 1st game pretty horribly after double mulligan, 2nd game managed a good topdeck, 3rd game he had Chandra and Double Sarkan, so ggs

Round 6 vs. Zamboanga1156 (Abzan Reanimator) 0-2
Not much chance here against his Whip backed-up Hornet Queens

Round 7 vs. Oyuoyu1 (Jeskai Tempo) 2-0
Almost too easy. Outtempoed him in both cases. Second game ran my board into End Hostilities unnecessarily, still won.

Round 8 vs. TradeWind (Abzan Midrange) 2-1
Misplayed game 1, Searing Blood made g2 & 3 pretty easy

Round 9 vs. Zorrba (GR Monsters) 2-0
G1 + G2 managed to burn him out. Triple Searing Blood in G2 obviously helped quite a bit


I’m not 100% sure about the maindeck. Sideboard is OK (especially Searing Blood and Eidolon have been very good), but I guess there should be a pair of Sorins in there to replace Butcher in the matchups where your opponent boards in a ton of spot removal.

Some thoughts on possible directions in which to take this deck

(1) Drop Swiftspear for 1 Jet, 2 Outburst & 1 Butcher
(2) Keep Swiftspear, add 3 Defiant strike, possibly reducing 1 land and the 2 Hordeling Outburst
(3) Switch around the numbers of Hordeling Outburst + Goblin Rabblemaster

Thoughts / Suggestions welcome as always!
MTGO handle: Clemens268

User avatar
Jamie
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 631
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:50 am
Has thanked: 13 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Post #267 by Jamie » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:03 am


User avatar
Lightning_Dolt
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 4739
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:51 am
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Has thanked: 840 times
Been thanked: 198 times

Post #268 by Lightning_Dolt » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:50 pm

First list is not basically burn, it's a stock mardu midrange lol.

User avatar
Jamie
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 631
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:50 am
Has thanked: 13 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Post #269 by Jamie » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:14 pm

Titan's strength a good card yey or nay?
I've won all 2 games I've drawn my one-of
It's really too cute to pass up on a way-seeker

in a world I want another ETBtapped land, do I use u/r temple or r/b temple?

User avatar
Purp
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 2063
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:06 pm
Medals: 1
:
Post #200000
Has thanked: 79 times
Been thanked: 122 times

Post #270 by Purp » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:53 pm

I think a one of is fine. You could play a 1 of chandra, arc lightning, 4th searing blood, ashcloud phoenix etc.... I don't know why you would want ETB lands?
Image

yurp yurp

User avatar
Jamie
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 631
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:50 am
Has thanked: 13 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Post #271 by Jamie » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:13 pm

[deck]
Dudes (12)
4 Hordeling Outburst
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Monastery Swiftspear

Dudelords (3)
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
1 Chandra, Pyromaster

Instant-speed kill (17)
1 Titan's Strength
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Searing Blood
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

Slow Kill (4)
4 Chained to the Rocks

Manas (24)
4 Wind-Scarred Crag
12 Mountain
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge

Sideboard
3 Glare of Heresy
1 Evolving Wilds
2 End Hostilities
2 Banishing Light
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Deflecting Palm
[/deck]

Here's where I'm at.
I want another elspeth maybe. I want another end hostilities maybe. First cut is deflecting palm but when I side it in and draw it, it is basically going to be a warleader's helix which fits with the controlsideboard.
Arc Lightning doesn't 2for1 enough decks to play a slow expensive spell that doesn't do good damage.
Thinking of playing phoenix instead of swiftspear. 24 lands supports it and swiftspear, though I can't argue does work, feels suboptimal. Although I only have been testing against the greengauntlet decks and the uwheroic and the newer mardu decks. Maybe swiftspear is good against the tier2 decks.
Still too many questions to answer.
Also I'm off gryph. I don't need it.

User avatar
dauntless268
Regular Member
Posts: 313
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:35 pm
Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 46 times

Post #272 by dauntless268 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:44 pm

You pray not running into UB control with 8 dead cards in your MD...
MTGO handle: Clemens268

User avatar
Purp
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 2063
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:06 pm
Medals: 1
:
Post #200000
Has thanked: 79 times
Been thanked: 122 times

Post #273 by Purp » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:08 pm

Yeah this deck is terrible vs UB and UW control.... Ive tested it a bunch in my group, it's not even remotley close. I'd say 65/35 vs UB in UB favor, and 70/30 vs UW in UW favor
Image

yurp yurp

User avatar
Jamie
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 631
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:50 am
Has thanked: 13 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Post #274 by Jamie » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:54 am

admittedly I only tested against ub control postboard but it seemed 4-6 in control's favor which I thought was fine.
I'm gonna revisit those matchups

User avatar
Jamie
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 631
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:50 am
Has thanked: 13 times
Been thanked: 36 times

Post #275 by Jamie » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:27 am

[deck]
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Seeker of the Way
4 Hordeling Outburst

2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker

11 Mountain
1 Plains
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Wind-Scarred Crag

3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Searing Blood
4 Stoke the Flames
1 Titan's Strength

Sideboard
2 Banishing Light
3 Wingmate Roc
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
3 End Hostilities
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Evolving Wilds[/deck]

I took an incredibly stock list like this and went 5-2-1 money at the scg 5k iq this weekend. I played pretty poorly.
Wingmate Roc put in some A+ work, though.

User avatar
Khaospawn
Khaospawn's beautiful and unique title
Posts: 9529
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:55 pm
Location: Largo, Florida
Has thanked: 247 times
Been thanked: 610 times

Post #276 by Khaospawn » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:54 pm

I played this on FNM to a 5-0 record. :shrug:

[deck]
Creatures 15
4 Monastery Swiftspear
3 Seeker of the Way
1 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge

Planeswalker 2
2 Sarkhan the Dragonspeaker

Spells 20
4 Hordeling Outburst
4 Chained to the Rocks
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames

Land 23
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge
2 Mana Confluence
2 Plains
11 Mountain

Sideboard 15
2 Magma Spray
2 Circle of Flame
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Erase
2 Glare of Heresy
1 Fated Conflagration
1 Stormbreath Dragon
[/deck]

9/10, would jam again.
Image

hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.

Col. Khaddafi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:02 pm wrote:I rarely skip a Khaospawn wall of text because I know there is always piss at the end of the rainbow.

User avatar
Christen
Tire Aficionado
Posts: 735
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:56 am
Has thanked: 41 times
Been thanked: 22 times

Post #277 by Christen » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:26 am

Did the magic 6 damage ourburst happen?
Image

User avatar
Khaospawn
Khaospawn's beautiful and unique title
Posts: 9529
(View: All /In topic)
Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:55 pm
Location: Largo, Florida
Has thanked: 247 times
Been thanked: 610 times

Post #278 by Khaospawn » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:32 pm

Sure did
also won by double pumping the team
Image

hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.

Col. Khaddafi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:02 pm wrote:I rarely skip a Khaospawn wall of text because I know there is always piss at the end of the rainbow.


Return to “Mountain (Standard)”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest