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Post #1041 by Khaospawn » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:54 pm

This is what I'm bringing to Miami for possible side event action:

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Creature 11
4 Goblin Guide
3 Grim Lavamancer
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Enchantment 1
1 Sulfuric Vortex

Burn 28
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lava Spike
3 Searing Blaze
3 Flame Rift
3 Price of Progress
3 Fireblast

Land 20
4 Arid Mesa
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
8 Mountain

Sideboard 15
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Ensnaring Bridge
2 Sulfuric Vortex
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Searing Blood
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Post #1042 by Valdarith » Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:04 am

Deflecting Palm is for Show and Tell, Belcher, Reanimator, mirror, and maybe True-Name decks depending on their postboard strategy.
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Post #1043 by magicdownunder » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:45 am

@Khaospawn: I suggest running 4x Fireblast - its the only way you can have realistic turn 3 wins (I'll replace 1x Flame Rift).
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Post #1044 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:39 pm

Vald: You forgot Infect on that list. However, do you really think it is worth it to play the one Plateau for that? I suppose the risk is minor since few decks that you would bring it in against play Wasteland.

Khaos: I agree with MDU on the 4x Fireblast. The card is just too valuable as a finisher. Unless you think Storm is going to be a real force in the side events, I think you can shave Mindbreak traps for things like more Rifts, Smashes, or Bridges.
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Post #1045 by Valdarith » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:54 pm

Yep, forgot Infect.

None of the decks on that list play Wasteland (except maybe some True-Name decks but it's not a given that we'd want Deflecting Palm there anyway) so the only risk is drawing the one Plateau against the decks that do have it.
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Post #1046 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:55 pm

I suppose it is at least worth testing. We need to find something to give us an edge against our bad matchups.
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Post #1047 by Valdarith » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:53 pm

The problem with burn is that it just auto loses to unfair decks like Sneak and Show. People have previously boarded in Ashen Rider just to have a chance. Deflecting Palm is much more flexible since you can bring it in for many more matchups and it makes those matchups more favorable too. It helps that Sneak and Show tends to board out their counters against burn, making the chance of resolving Deflecting Palm much better.

Plus I just want to Deflecting Palm an Emrakul.
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Post #1048 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:55 pm

Bitchslapping Emrakul is indeed a joy. As I said, it is worth testing. For now I will stick with my Bridges until otherwise convinced.
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Post #1049 by magicdownunder » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:16 am

Beside storm what other MUs would you use Mindbreak Trap against?
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Post #1050 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:17 am

It has some minor uses against OmniTell and, if you want to go REALLY deep, Elves. Primarily Storm, though.
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Post #1051 by magicdownunder » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:23 am

BlakLanner » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:17 pm wrote:It has some minor uses against OmniTell and, if you want to go REALLY deep, Elves. Primarily Storm, though.


I'm trying to justify running 4 of them since I just got crushed 2-0 (both in T1 via storm in my first magic event in ages...) so its mainly a knee jerk reaction :p
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Post #1052 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:25 am

I swear, you run into storm so much more than you should.
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Post #1053 by Valdarith » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:26 am

I'd rather just play a couple of Pyrostatic Pillar in the board. They're a lot more flexible.
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Post #1054 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:27 am

He was getting taken out T1. Only Trap saves you from that.
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Post #1055 by magicdownunder » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:31 am

yep, I even had Eidolon of the Great Revel on the play and still got crushed maybe its time to run mana ramp for the lols :D
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Post #1056 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:33 am

Wait, if you died T1, how did you get an Eidolon out?
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Post #1057 by magicdownunder » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:33 am

BlakLanner » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:33 pm wrote:Wait, if you died T1, how did you get an Eidolon out?


I didn't get it out I had it in my hand.
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Post #1058 by BlakLanner » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:35 am

That makes much more sense.
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Post #1059 by Valdarith » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:58 am

I'd just chalk it up to bad luck and move on. You're going to lose a lot of games to Storm. You have to accept that if you're going to play Burn. If you're not comfortable with that, play a blue deck.
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Post #1060 by magicdownunder » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:17 am

Yep, I agree sometimes you just lose.

Ok well my first DE didn't go very well my results were 1-2 drop, I entered in with the list I posted one page before running a "slower burn" deck I lost against 2 combo decks and I beat one weird welder deck (well its more like he beat himself).

For the next DE which I'll try tomorrow I'll enter in with a more all-or-nothing type list (running Flame Rift and its ilk).

[deck=MDU's Burn]Lands 19
11 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn

Creatures 8
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Goblin Guide

Enchantments 02
2 Sulfuric Vortex

Spells 31
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Price of Progress
4 Searing Blaze
4 Flame Rift

Sideboard 15
2 Faerie Macabre
2 Pyrostatic Pillar
2 Searing Blood
3 Ashen Rider
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Smash to Smithereens[/deck]

EDIT

Hmmmmm... looking at MTGOGOLDFISH it seems like running so many flame rifts will won't be such a good idea - I'll rework the list for tomorrow.
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Post #1061 by LaZerBurn » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:48 pm

MDU! :D You are alive! :D I've missed you! :)
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Post #1062 by magicdownunder » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:44 am

@Lazer: Cheers

- - - - - -

I played the Legacy DE (8068403) today and went 3-1, wanna guess what I lost against?
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Storm
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The list was:

[deck=MDU's Burn]Lands 20
12 Mountain
4 Arid Mesa
4 Scalding Tarn

Creatures 10
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Goblin Guide
2 Grim Lavamancer

Enchantments 02
2 Sulfuric Vortex

Spells 28
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Price of Progress
4 Searing Blaze

Sideboard 15
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Pyrostatic Pillar
2 Searing Blood
3 Ashen Rider
3 Faerie Macabre
3 Dragon's Claw[/deck]

I think I'll just bite the bullet and run some mindbreak traps, on that note does anyone own any MBT online that they're not using atm?
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Post #1063 by Lightning_Dolt » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:54 am

Holy shit, you're back!

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Post #1064 by LaZerBurn » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:38 pm

magicdownunder » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:44 am wrote:@Lazer: Cheers
I think I'll just bite the bullet and run some mindbreak traps, on that note does anyone own any MBT online that they're not using atm?


Yes I've got MBT's , I've PM'ed you :)
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Post #1065 by magicdownunder » Sat May 23, 2015 4:40 am

In Legacy isn't Searing Blood better then Searing Blaze (I kinda want to cut the fetch lands from my list)?
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Post #1066 by GoblinWarchief » Sat May 23, 2015 3:52 pm

Generally searing blood is never better than searing blaze because it actually requires the targeted creature to die to deal 3 damages , meaning it can be blanked by a lot of things such as opponent removing his own creature in response with bolt/plow. searing blaze just requires landfall and a creature on the battlefield and it will always deal 3 damages no matter what it happens.
So, despite most legacy creatures being x/2's and x/1's searing blaze is overall a better card than searing blood in my opinion.

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Post #1067 by Pedrobear » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:46 am

I am currently building the deck for upcoming Legacy GP in my hometown (Lille) in July. I have everything apart from Chain Lightning and Price of Progress and SB cards.

I've never played in Legacy but played a lot Burn in Modern. Can you give some tips and tricks or some sideboarding guides ?

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Post #1068 by Khaospawn » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:27 pm

I'm in love with this list I saw on MTGTop8 that won an IQ:

[deck]Creature 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Enchantment 3
3 Sulfuric Vortex

Burn 24
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Price of Progress
4 Fireblast

Land 21
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Arid Mesa
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Scalding Tarn
8 Mountain

Sideboard 15
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Searing Blaze
2 Vexing Shusher
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Grim Lavamancer[/deck]
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Post #1069 by Mcdonalds » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:30 pm

Seems fine, is swift spear really good in this deck though?

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Post #1070 by GoblinWarchief » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:25 pm

That list is very good right now because when two of the top tier decks are omnitell and miracles you really don't want to have searing blazes or grim lavamancers maindeck.
The only thing i disagree with a bit is 21 lands .... it feels just too safe.

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Post #1071 by Mcdonalds » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:04 pm

You could prolly trim a couple, no one is really punishing you for being greedy with your mana right now

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Post #1072 by Khaospawn » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:19 am

21 seems acceptable for wanting to cast Vortex on curve and also in aiding the Blaze/Lavamancer package postboard.
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Post #1073 by GoblinWarchief » Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:08 pm

Yes, yes, i know 21 lands is technically the correct number. He has 3 vortexes, 4 fireblasts, lavamancers and blazes postboard, and in legacy playing around daze and pierce is very important.
it is just my gut feeling that would make me play 20 .... i would have an irrational fear of flooding too much with 21 XD

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Post #1074 by hamfactorial » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:10 am

Khaospawn » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:27 pm wrote:I'm in love with this list I saw on MTGTop8 that won an IQ:

[deck]Creature 12
4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Enchantment 3
3 Sulfuric Vortex

Burn 24
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Price of Progress
4 Fireblast

Land 21
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Arid Mesa
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Scalding Tarn
8 Mountain

Sideboard 15
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Searing Blaze
2 Vexing Shusher
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Grim Lavamancer[/deck]

Man, that list is so boxy it looks like something I would have made XD

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Post #1075 by Purp » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:16 am

I like this GPT winning list from the GP

[deck]
19 LANDS
11 Mountain
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Bloodstained Mire
1 Arid Mesa
1 Barbarian Ring

11 CREATURES
4 Goblin Guide
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Grim Lavamancer

27 INSTANTS and SORC.
4 Lava Spike
4 Chain Lightning
4 Rift Bolt
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Price of Progress
4 Fireblast
3 Searing Blaze

3 OTHER SPELLS
2 Sulfuric Vortex
1 Sensei's Divining Top

SIDEBOARD
1 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Searing Blood
3 Smash to Smithereens
1 Vexing Shusher
2 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 Relic of Progenitus
3 Red Elemental Blast
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Post #1076 by Mcdonalds » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:43 am

Top is interesting

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Post #1077 by Jack » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:16 am

[deck=Eternal Weekend]
Creatures
1 Grim Lavamancer
4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Lands
21 Mountain

Other Shit
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
3 Chain Lightning
4 Price of Progress
3 Sulfuric Vortex
4 Fireblast

Side
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Pyroblast
3 Searing Blaze
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Dragon's Claw
2 Pyrostatic Pillar
1 Grim Lavamancer
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Seems like everyone is playing Swiftspear instead of Flame Rift now. I liked that card, but the Swifty seems better.
Sideboard is a mess, mostly due to card availability. I'd like to have no Dragon's Claws and 2 Vexing Shushers because that card is great against Miracles. Ashen Rider is also probably better than Ensnaring Bridge. I'd play 4 Pyrostatic Pillars if I had them, probably in place of some Pyroblasts or Smash to Smithereens.
I'd like to run fetches like everyone else (makes flooding a bit less common on 21 lands), but I only own 5 red fetches and I figure that it's better to be Stifle-proof than to half-ass it with buffing Lavamancer and Searing Blaze.
Oh. Searing Blaze should be Searing Blood, I think, but I don't have any of those either.

And I don't know the meta at all, since, you know, I don't really play Magic.

Oh well. I wasn't looking to win. I almost entered the Vintage event for Sunday instead for the cool Tolarian Academy playmat, but family stuff is happening Sunday.

Should be a fun time.
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Post #1078 by magicdownunder » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:05 pm

I would toss in the 4th Chain Lightning over the 21st land, most of your spells are 1cc - I wish you the best of luck.
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Post #1079 by Jack » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:29 pm

Bought a chain lightning and 2 vexing shushers at the event. Lighting in for lava man, shushers in for other lava man and a pyroblast.
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Post #1080 by Jack » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:34 am

Went 7-4, coming back from 1-3. Might write something up here, might not
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