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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:23 pm

Yeah, the issue that red aggro has right now is people blocking.
Well then you need to make clear that you're evaluating a card based on a present Standard metagame that may or may not exist post-JOU.
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Postby zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:28 pm

Well, how about you think why I might be making an assessment instead of assuming that I am an idiot.
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Postby RedNihilist » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:35 pm

Gruul War Chant hasn't seen a great amount of play.
Iroas could be playable I guess (WW splash red), but won't be format breaking.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:39 pm

Zem, do you mean this is the set's Purphoros?

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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:40 pm

Because evaluating a card in that context is a fool's errand, Zem. I can say a card is insane, and Iroas obviously is. Whether it's playable in the metagame that exists after JOU release is irrelevant. Stop being so condescending.

I think the first of the spoilers are pretty exciting honestly.

Iroas is very good. With the card pool that currently exists, he seems to favor white-heavy strategies. Red already has Chandra so they don't necessarily need the help, but a white deck with Precinct Captain, Brimaz, etc splashing red for Boros Charm and Iroas could finally make white aggro a relevant archetype.

The starfish is okay. Not a Sylvan Caryatid by any means. May or may not be better than Omenspeaker and we all know that card is trash.

Black got another 2-power one drop with mid to late game significance. Black is setting itself up to be the premier aggro deck upon rotation between Gnarled Scarhide, Tormented Hero,
Pain Seer, Herald of Torment, and Spiteful Returned.

Satyr Hoplite is not very good. I'd be happier if it were Inspired and not Heroic because it would feel more like Stromkirk Noble. As a heroic trigger it forces you into an archetype I'd rather not play.

Ajani's Presence is pretty good. Better than God's Willing in a lot of cases, particularly in aura decks where giving your guy pro-white was problematic in a deck running white auras.

Eidolon of Blossoms seems interesting. A more expensive Argothian Enchantress that replaces itself immediately. Between it and Courser of Kruphix green has a lot of value going its way. I could see a Courser/Eidelon of Blossoms/Boon Satyr/Nylea green deck being a thing.

Dakra Mystic is neat, but could be too cute.
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Postby zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:42 pm

Evaluating a card, based on cards WE ALREADY KNOW ARE IN THE FORMAT is a "fool's errand"? Evaluating a card based on fantasy metagame makes so much more sense. I can dream up metagames where most cards are playable.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:43 pm

Reckoner + Iroas is kind of a nonbo.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:44 pm

Why are you guys being so confrontational? Chill.

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Postby zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:46 pm

I am being condescending with comments like "you're out of your fucking mind". Oh my, this thread.
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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:49 pm

Evaluating a card, based on cards WE ALREADY KNOW ARE IN THE FORMAT is a "fool's errand"? Evaluating a card based on fantasy metagame makes so much more sense. I can dream up metagames where most cards are playable.
All I'm saying is that the card is good. I said nothing about its relevance in the current metagame. You said "It isn't very good" with no context attached. That's what I took issue with. If you had said "I don't think the card has a place right now based on the current metagame" that would have been just fine.

For example, we all know how good Exava is, right? 4 mana for a 4/4 with first strike and haste? That's a fantastic Magic card. But it doesn't see a lot of play in the meta. Does that make
it a bad card?

I got called out months ago for the same attitude you're showing now, only you're showing it much worse AND much more frequently, and not just this thread. Think about that for a minute.
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Postby zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:57 pm

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:59 pm

I actually think Zem was correct to dismiss FC lol.

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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:03 pm

Ladies, no need to fight. There's plenty of me to go around.


Oh, you guys are talking about Iroas? Awkward ....
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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:08 pm

Ladies, no need to fight. There's plenty of me to go around.


Oh, you guys are talking about Iroas? Awkward ....
Hey baby, there's never enough of you to go around. ;)
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Postby lorddax » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:29 pm

That's when he plays Giant Growth.

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Postby Kaitscralt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:33 pm

It isn't very good.
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Postby rcwraspy » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:40 pm

i really want Iroas to make Firemane Avenger playable. Sadly I still doubt it, especially since they share a CMC.
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Postby DriftingLifted » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:04 pm

I'll be regretting selling Brimaz now...hopefully there will be a sweet spot where he's less than I sold for before he possibly spikes...

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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:06 pm

I hear his favorite Magic card is Plow Under.

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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:10 pm

The thought of it gives me a Feeling of Dread.
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:23 pm

That's when he plays Giant Growth.

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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:27 pm

I'm waiting for a UB deck using that new Starfish to be made. I'd call it "Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water.


Har har har.


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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:31 pm

To be fair, I thought Pollution was a decent song.
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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:33 pm

Early Limp Bizkit was pretty good, and Chocolate Starfish was good enough, but they went downhill around that time.
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Postby Wraith223 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:06 pm

I agree with Zem cause my first response to the RW god was "OK, it does not stop a strong majority of removal." 4 cmc is nice but can't I just kill the creatures as usual playing BW midrange? Yes. Great! So whats the big deal? Nothing. Is it better than Xenagos, God of Revels? No cause only one creature can be dangerous with him on board. Is it worth above $10? No, but it will be fun in Commander.

That is what my mind went through when I first saw it. Still have high hopes for the GB god and UR god.

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Postby Helios » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:10 pm

Val you have got to stop policing what other people say and how they say it. It's fucking obnoxious. Zem can say whatever the fuck he wants, however he wants to say it. And he's right like 99% of the time.

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Postby Dechs Kaison » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:13 pm

Helios, you have got to stop policing what other people say and how they say it. It's fucking obnoxious. Val can say whatever the fuck he wants, however he wants to say it. And he's right like, 99% of the time.
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Postby Helios » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:14 pm

It's fucking obnoxious to constantly read bickering in this thread, because someone didn't say the right thing just right and you all get internet mad. Seriously gets old.

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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:15 pm

I blame Fred Durst for sucking at life.
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Postby Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:19 pm

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Zemanjaski acts like a dick to someone.

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Postby Wraith223 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:34 pm

Valdarith acts like a dick to someone.

Helios: "Stop acting like a dick, Valdarith."

Zemanjaski acts like a dick to someone.

Helios: "No big deal."

If you read Zem's posts as if you are listening to Walter from Jeff Dunham; you understand him better and accept his points without to much issue.
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Postby Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:39 pm

Again, ladies, they're no need to fight over me. I have plenty of reserves.
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