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Post #40681 by Kaitscralt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:44 pm

hamfactorial » 34 minutes ago wrote:
Kaitscralt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:56 pm wrote:
hamfactorial » 11 minutes ago wrote:Ooh, ooh do my name next!


you're a fat guy who likes math

next question

How fat?


you can get to FNM but you're fat enough to need special accommodations regarding seating, so about 4 bills

next question
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Post #40682 by Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:50 pm

Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:21 pm wrote:
Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:10 pm wrote:
Kaitscralt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:52 pm wrote:
Khaospawn » 22 minutes ago wrote:
redthirst » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:22 pm wrote:I always assumed K(C)haos Pawn since Khao isn't a thing and, as such, would have trouble spawning anything.

A 'K' just
seems stronger than a 'C' I think. Plus, my middle name starts with a K so there's that too. :isthatso:

I dunno, the word just came to me one day years ago and I dug it, so I started using it. It's completely mine and I like it.


Yup, it's completely yours

(dear god you sweet soul never google Khaospawn)

You find my Facebook or something?


I did.

It's just as unfiltered as you are here.

Well, what did you expect? I only have 2 modes: All or Nothing.
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hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.

Col. Khaddafi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:02 pm wrote:I rarely skip a Khaospawn wall of text because I know there is always piss at the end of the rainbow.

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Post #40683 by Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:51 pm

Val, are we FB homies?
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hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.

Col. Khaddafi » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:02 pm wrote:I rarely skip a Khaospawn wall of text because I know there is always piss at the end of the rainbow.

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Post #40684 by Dechs Kaison » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:52 pm

Kaitscralt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:44 pm wrote:
hamfactorial » 34 minutes ago wrote:
Kaitscralt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:56 pm wrote:
hamfactorial » 11 minutes ago wrote:Ooh, ooh do my name next!


you're a fat guy who likes math

next question

How fat?


you can get to FNM but you're fat enough to need special accommodations regarding seating, so about 4 bills

next question

Will you admit
that you still find him obscenely attractive?


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Post #40685 by Kaitscralt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:53 pm

i don't like dudes, especially that dude
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Post #40686 by Valdarith » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:56 pm

Khaospawn » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:51 pm wrote:Val, are we FB homies?


Not yet, but I will make it happen within the next five minutes.
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Post #40687 by Dechs Kaison » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:58 pm

Oh. That's odd. I always pictured you as a hetero.


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Post #40688 by zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:12 pm

He certainly seemed one if the least gay here; it's good to challenge expectations though.
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Post #40689 by Dechs Kaison » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:13 pm

Ohhhhh!

Kait's a dude?


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Post #40690 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:15 pm

very yes
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40691 by zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:32 pm

Kazekirimaru » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:07 am wrote:So, Standard Burn is where it's at?


It's one of three tier 1 decks; though it's substantially less forgiving than the other two.
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Post #40692 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:39 pm

I'd call it tier 1.5. It's good against the top decks, but you lose to randomness and have an overall low power level which does not a tier 1 deck make.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40693 by hamfactorial » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:40 pm

Dechs Kaison » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:13 pm wrote:Ohhhhh!

Kait's a dude?

Head asplode

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Post #40694 by Lightning_Dolt » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:43 pm

LP, of the Fires » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:39 am wrote:I'd call it tier 1.5. It's good against the top decks, but you lose to randomness and have an overall low power level which does not a tier 1 deck make.


I respectfully disagree. I think it has a really good random stuff match up. I checked today and I'm 76% with it this season.

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Post #40695 by Kazekirimaru » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:51 pm

zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:32 pm wrote:
Kazekirimaru » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:07 am wrote:So, Standard Burn is where it's at?


It's one of three tier 1 decks; though it's substantially less forgiving than the other two.


LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:39 pm wrote:I'd call it tier 1.5. It's good against the top decks, but you lose to randomness and have an overall low power level which does not a tier 1 deck make.

Mkay, mkay. If I wanted to win consistently and not flop to bad draw luck, what would I play?
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Post #40696 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:52 pm

IDk, Vidi went 6-3 losing to the mirror, something random, and mono-green agro dudes(aka something random). The actual quote:

Me: Day 2?
Vidi: Fuck no. Lost mono-green witchstalkers, arbor colossus and shit.

Also, Friday conversation when we're just hanging out bullshitting. Kibler just announces that "I play 13 basics and have fucking lifegain in my board. Eat that burn players."
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40697 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:54 pm

Kazekirimaru » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:51 pm wrote:
zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:32 pm wrote:
Kazekirimaru » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:07 am wrote:So, Standard Burn is where it's at?


It's one of three tier 1 decks; though it's substantially less forgiving than the other two.


LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:39 pm wrote:I'd call it tier 1.5. It's good against the top decks, but you lose to randomness and have an overall low
power level which does not a tier 1 deck make.

Mkay, mkay. If I wanted to win consistently and not flop to bad draw luck, what would I play?


It's not that the draws are inconsistent, it's that the deck is very unforgiving with scrys and burning creatures vs. players at the wrong times.

If you want a consistent deck that can just roll people, play mono-blue. Most all standard decks are very skill-intensive no matter how biased anyone is or isn't, but mono-blue is one of the decks that's forgiving of misplays by virtue of being an agro deck with 2 very broken cards(thassa, master of waves).
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Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40698 by zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:12 pm

LP, of the Fires » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:52 am wrote:IDk, Vidi went 6-3 losing to the mirror, something random, and mono-green agro dudes(aka something random). The actual quote:

Me: Day 2?
Vidi: Fuck no. Lost mono-green witchstalkers, arbor colossus and shit.

Also, Friday conversation when we're just hanging out bullshitting. Kibler just announces that "I play 13 basics and have fucking lifegain in my board. Eat that burn players."


Very high and mighty for a player that's rage quit on me twice.
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Post #40699 by NerdBoyWonder » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:13 pm

LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:52 pm wrote:IDk, Vidi went 6-3 losing to the mirror, something random, and mono-green agro dudes(aka something random).


I played Vidi in the mirror at GP Phoenix. Really cool guy. Game 1 both of us had to mull to 5 so we spent a few turns playing draw go.

Game 2 it was a bit better with me managing to fire off a Warleader's helix to put me just enough ahead. He did have a BlOb out though but I believe he misplayed the turn firing off an extorted magma jet which allowed me to helix since he didn't have Skullcrack mana up. We talked about it a little after the match and I believe he said he got a little too greedy trying to extort off and should have held back a bit since he had double Skullcrack in his hand.

Overall good game and fun experience.
It was pretty damn cool to play against Vidi since I remembered him from VS System and my brother would net deck his Teen Titans list.
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Post #40700 by zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:16 pm

I thought the burn mirror was about who drew better.
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Post #40701 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:16 pm

Yeah, Vidi's a great guy. When we where talking on Friday, he was still unsure of what deck to play and had something like 4 decks with him. Looking back, I think we both should have played MBC or esper, since aside from his loss to you, all of our match losses where related to deck power level and/or being trumped.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40702 by zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:18 pm

I've been chatting with Vidi the last few weeks; indeed awesome guy.
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Post #40703 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:18 pm

zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:12 pm wrote:
LP, of the Fires » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:52 am wrote:IDk, Vidi went 6-3 losing to the mirror, something random, and mono-green agro dudes(aka something random). The actual quote:

Me: Day 2?
Vidi: Fuck no. Lost mono-green witchstalkers, arbor colossus and shit.

Also, Friday conversation when we're just hanging out bullshitting. Kibler just announces that "I play 13 basics and have fucking lifegain in my board. Eat that burn players."


Very high and mighty for a player that's rage quit on me twice.


It was mostly just casual shit-talk. I was actually surprised at how funny BK is. He has a legit
sense of humor and is the best guy to jam games with because he plays pretty quickly.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40704 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:19 pm

Part time Firdancer, Part time Firedrinker.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40705 by zemanjaski » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:19 pm

Sure but he's still the worst type of nerd.
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Post #40706 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:23 pm

After something like 5 games of flooding/screw, we decided all magic games should be played where you just draw your 7, flip the top 8 cards and decide the winner based on that.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40707 by LP, of the Fires » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:23 pm

You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #40708 by lorddax » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:45 pm

Gonna Thrax me some spawns! 10/10 constructed playable insta 4 of!
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Post #40709 by photodyer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:28 am

I absolutely LOVE the flavor/design of Squelching Leeches...a true black card. I don't love that it's in the 4 slot, but then it is at uncommon which means it will make for some fun in Limited.
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Post #40710 by TBuzzsaw » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:12 am

Boom.

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Post #40711 by photodyer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:17 am

Yeah boom...and with a starting price tag of $25. Counter-burn?
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Post #40712 by Jack » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:22 am

Aww, I wanted him to be good.
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Post #40713 by Jack » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:23 am

He seems like a bad worse Phenax
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Post #40714 by Jack » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:24 am

Oh, he hits creatures as well. Not so bad.
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Post #40715 by Jack » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:30 am

Dictate of the Twin Gods seems like it'd be really fun in multi-player.
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Post #40716 by Calamity » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:32 am

I dunno of Keranos is good in standard (haven't been keeping up with it) but he's definitely cool. Works well with scry.
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Post #40717 by photodyer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:39 am

Keranos is slow, but he is designed appropriate to his colors...he offers card advantage and VCA/damage, but with the red "randomness" of relying on the topdeck. It's actually a strong set of effects in combination with a scry-heavy deck design; if you can control your top card before the reveal, then you get to choose drawing an extra card or delivering a bolt nearly every turn. But at 5CMC he doesn't get going until T6, so you would have to be controlling the board in order to put him to use. I want to like him in a Grixis shell given all the low-cost removal and burn, but the lack of a full-on black sweeper by T4 weakens the plan. UWR will therefore be the likely call, with counters, bounce and burn into Verdict, then Keranos to run away with CA. But arguably one could play the same strategy with Chandra and it's not being done (though she's a lot easier to remove than a god at present), so the overall
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Post #40718 by LP, of the Fires » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:49 am

Keranos seems baller. 5 mana phyrexian arena's have been playable before I think and the other half of the time he nukes a guy? Seems legit.
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Post #40719 by Calamity » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:52 am

photodyer » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:39 pm wrote:Keranos is slow, but he is designed appropriate to his colors...he offers card advantage and VCA/damage, but with the red "randomness" of relying on the topdeck. It's actually a strong set of effects in combination with a scry-heavy deck design; if you can control your top card before the reveal, then you get to choose drawing an extra card or delivering a bolt nearly every turn. But at 5CMC he doesn't get going until T6, so you would have to be controlling the board in order to put him to use. I want to like him in a Grixis shell given all the low-cost removal and burn, but the lack of a full-on black sweeper by T4 weakens the plan. UWR will therefore be the likely call, with counters, bounce and burn into Verdict, then Keranos to run away with CA.
But arguably one could play the same strategy with Chandra and it's not being done (though she's a lot easier to remove than a god at present), so the overall viability of such a strategy in the current meta is debatable.

Chandra is WAAAAAY shittier with counterspells than keranos, she's also hard to protect in a control shell, and her +1 basically isn't useful, and you never ever want to tap out for her since the most she'll do in a control deck the turn she comes down is kill an x/1
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Post #40720 by photodyer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:01 am

I agree with you LK that the card in a vacuum is freakin' nuts; I just don't know if it has a viable home right now. I loved Bloodgift Demon, but the various metas held him down to being only fringe-playable. Then again, we've seen only a few cards of the set thus far...Izzet could be up to get some love along with their scryland.

@ Calamity - Don't disagree with you at all...Chandra is indeed harder to keep alive as I said. The fact that Keranos can flat-out kill things or your opponent once he's established on the board in addition to drawing cards is nuts.

Worth noting--SCG brought Keranos out (their feature card) at $25 and it is not really moving...they are banking on being able to drop the price then get more buy-ins at $20 or worst-case $15 rather than doing as they've done with Iroas and others by starting lowish and then bumping the price until it stabilizes. They miss the
initial manic sales, but they are evidently banking on the card being playable.
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