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Postby zemanjaski » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:38 pm

UW Heroic is stupid.
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Postby zemanjaski » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:29 pm

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:30 pm

Ya blew it.
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Postby Mcdonalds » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:58 pm

Did you ask Huey what it's like to look likes background character from goodfellas?

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:38 am

Did you ask Huey what it's like to look likes background character from goodfellas?
Huey is fucking huge IRL.

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:53 am

Australia went 2-4-1 for 57th.

I went 6-1.
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Postby Self Medicated » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:55 am

How did the other members of your team do Zem?
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:10 am

Obviously not very well.
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Postby Self Medicated » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:27 am

Well yeah. :D I was wondering about their records since I can't check the WotC site at work.
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Postby hamfactorial » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:16 am

I 5-0d a daily while I was typing this

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Postby Christen » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:18 am

Tough luck zem. That's a very good personal record though.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:16 am

Makes me less worried about a PT at least.
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Postby Whole » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:27 am

Glad to hear you did really well Zem. I was rooting for team AUS just so you could get some time in the spotlight.
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Postby TBuzzsaw » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:10 pm

I need a break from the game. I'm so burnt out on it.
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Postby Jamie » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:13 pm

Ha! Pretty punny TBuzz

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Postby Stardust » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:25 pm

Platinum Angel? Really?

Really?

Really?

PS: White is the worst colour in Commander.
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:45 pm

I 5-0d a daily while I was typing this
Wow, you even won the secret, non-existent 5th round

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:49 pm

Makes me less worried about a PT at least.
that's like winning the lottery, then having the money taken away and saying "well at least i don't have to spend all that money"
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:55 pm

Platinum Angel? Really?

Really?

Really?

PS: White is the worst colour in Commander.
Yes, Platinum Angel, and White is definitely better than Red lol.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:57 pm

Platinum Angel? Really?

Really?

Really?

PS: White is the worst colour in Commander.
For Mono-Coloured EDH, I rank them:

Black > White > Blue > Red > Green

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:02 pm

wow
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Postby BlakLanner » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:06 pm

Ugh, only I can take what should be a good day and turn it into a disaster. I win the monthly drawing for a free box, win several games that I had no right to based on mulligans, and make it to the final round undefeated. My breakers are so bad that, after we play a couple games, I offer a draw to get him into the prize pool. Store Owner, whom I have had to correct multiple times on rules issues, gets furious saying that I cannot do that even after I show him the specific rules stating I can and he changes the result of the match.

Since it happened in the middle of the store, everyone heard and I saw all sorts of looks that tell me my credibility with them has taken a big hit. I am not sure that I even want to show him my response from Wizards confirming my ruling since I doubt it will do anything but foster more ill will. I would find another store but this is the only one within reasonable driving distance that has any decent competition.

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:30 pm

you suck
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Postby Mcdonalds » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:39 pm

I would stop going to that store and advise others to do the same

Alternatively publicly embarrassing the store owner into submission (be that closing shop or publicly admitting he has sudden adult onset Down syndrome) is also acceptable

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Postby Jack » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:50 pm

Platinum Angel? Really?

Really?

Really?

PS: White is the worst colour in Commander.
For Mono-Coloured EDH, I rank them:

Black > White > Blue > Red > Green
Blue>Red>Black>Green>White
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Postby Dechs Kaison » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:52 pm

No no no. You all have it wrong.

Red is the best mono color in EDH. Next comes blue and black, which are tied. Then White.
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Postby BlakLanner » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:09 pm

I would stop going to that store and advise others to do the same

Alternatively publicly embarrassing the store owner into submission (be that closing shop or publicly admitting he has sudden adult onset Down syndrome) is also acceptable
The only catch with that is there are very few places to play. Two other stores near me. One is filled with little kids playing with intro packs. The other has a fairly competitive field, but is a 45min drive away. That is a bit long just for an FNM. I am trying to do this without embarrassing him since there has already been enough drama between him and myself with all the other mistakes he made. It makes me wonder why I bother trying.
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:23 pm

How could you possibly embarass him, it sounds like you already tried and embarrassed yourself in the process
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Postby Jack » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:21 pm

No no no. You all have it wrong.

Red is the best mono color in EDH. Next comes blue and black, which are tied. Then White.
Red has a lot of good options for generals, but is also the color with the narrowest design which excludes a lot of effects that are really strong in commander. I think blue is better because it has counterspells and tutors and has a few good combo generals (Arcum and Azami, mostly). Black would be better if counterspells weren't so brutal against it. Green needs strong generals that don't lend themselves to easily disruptable strategies. White is just bad.
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Postby Self Medicated » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:21 pm

Just watched Tom Ross playing Jeskai Tokens on stream at SCG Portland. Deck is bananas.
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Postby rcwraspy » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:28 am

yeah that was pretty crazy.
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Postby hamfactorial » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:45 am

But enough about his robot eyes :V

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:28 am

Platinum Angel? Really?

Really?

Really?

PS: White is the worst colour in Commander.
For Mono-Coloured EDH, I rank them:

Black > White > Blue > Red > Green
Blue>Red>Black>Green>White

When I rank them, I look at the following things:

Creatures
Green (5) Huge, fat, well costed dumbies
White (4) Protection, abilities tacked on
Black (3) Give you the ability to manipulate resources
Red (2) Flying dumbies
Blue (1) Poor rates

Planeswalkers
White (5) Elspeths, Ajani
Black (4) Sorin, Liliana,
Blue (3) Jace, Tezzeret
Red (2) Chandra, Koth
Green (1) Nissa

Draw
Blue (5) Inspiration, Mind Spring, Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time etc.
Black (4) Phyrexian Arena, Underworld Connections, Sign in Blood etc.
Red (3) Chandra, Faithless Looting
Green (2) Harmonize, Garuuk
White (1) Mentor of the Meek

Tutors
Black (5) Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor etc.
White (4) Enlightened Tutor, Stoneforge Mystic, [card]Steelshaper's Gift[/card] etc.
Green(3) Tooth and Nail, Chord of Calling, Etc.
Blue (2) Mystical Tutor
Red (1) Gamble

Creature Removal
Black (5) Terror, Doom Blade etc.
White (4) Path, Swords etc.
Red (3) Direct Damage
Blue (2) Bounce, Steal
Green (1) Fight

Sweepers
White (5) Wrath, DoJ
Black (4) Damnation, Mutilate
Red (3) Blasphemous Act, Chain Reaction
Blue (2) Evacuation
Green (1) Hurricane

Artifact / Enchantment Removal
Green / White (5) Disenchant, Naturalize
Blue (3) Negate
Red (2) Smash / N/A
Black (1) N/A

Planeswalker Removal
Black (5) [card]Hero's Downfall[/card]
White (4) Oring etc.
Red (3) Direct damage, bad in EDH, otherwise red would be first
Blue (2) Counterspell etc.
Green (1)Beast Within


Flexibility
Black (5) Good planeswalkers, draw, sweepers, best removal, decent creatures
Blue (4) If you can play politics you can counter / bounce anything that threatens you
White (3) Big, fat, flying dumbies and sweepers. And Orings.
Red (2) Big, fat flying dumbies.
Green (1) Big, fat, dumbies

Mono-coloured Matters
Black (5) Corrupt, Tendrils of Corruption, Nightmare, Mutilate etc.
Green (4) Blanchwood Armor, Beacon of Creation, Kalonian Twingrove
Red (3) Spitting Earth, Granite Grip, Spire Barrage
Blue (2) Serpent of the Endless Sea, Flow of Ideas
White (1) Armored Ascension, Charge across the Abra



Overall
Black (41)
White (30)
Blue (27)
Red (24)
Green (23)
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:49 am

what the fuck
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Postby Jack » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:55 am

Blue doesn't have bad creatures (snappy, Venser, ixidron, consecrated sphinx, phyrexian metamorph & other clone variants, deadeye)
It also has good tutors (mystical tutor, personal tutor, merchant scroll, tolaria west, muddle the mixture)

Really, though, it's the best color because of Arcum and Azami.
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Postby Jack » Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:56 am

And somehow Back to Basics is a legal card.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:05 am

Blue doesn't have bad creatures (snappy, Venser, ixidron, consecrated sphinx, phyrexian metamorph & other clone variants, deadeye)
It also has good tutors (mystical tutor, personal tutor, merchant scroll, tolaria west, muddle the mixture)

Really, though, it's the best color because of Arcum and Azami.
Blue has good creatures, but on the whole, they're worse than the other colours.

Blue Tutors are still worse than the other colours, save red. Will adjust though.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:09 am

what the fuck
You can feel free to disagree with any or all of it, but that's how I justify my ranking.

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Postby Jack » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:33 am

Blue doesn't have bad creatures (snappy, Venser, ixidron, consecrated sphinx, phyrexian metamorph & other clone variants, deadeye)
It also has good tutors (mystical tutor, personal tutor, merchant scroll, tolaria west, muddle the mixture)

Really, though, it's the best color because of Arcum and Azami.
Blue has good creatures, but on the whole, they're worse than the other colours.

Blue Tutors are still worse than the other colours, save red. Will adjust though.
It depends on how we decide to evaluate creatures.
Obviously, you can't just look at average card quality, since 95% of creatures never see play. You're really only playing a select few in your deck. But while blue decks play good creatures, the decks are still mostly noncreature spells, and there still has to be a way for blue to lose points for being unable to build a good creature-centered deck.
However, if we judge a deck based upon strength if the deck is centered around creatures, than red clearly wins because goblins, followed by green with elves and other big stuff, followed by everything else.
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