[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[redthirst]

Is this Rhinocety?

[LP, of the Fires]

in between x-2ing the draft, Playtested standard with Gfabs deck because casting rakshasa's secrets in standard is awesome.

[Valdarith]

Strictly worse than casting Rhinoceros's Secret.

[Kaitscralt]

rhino, rhino rhino, siege rhino, rhino, siege siege, rhino rhino

[Kaitscralt]

Pretty good one right

[Midnight_v]

He sieged against his family, he sieged against his friends. Mostly he just sieged.

Fucking applause. I laughed out loud.

Also... I while playing a match realized. . . that I had not paid enough attention to the wording of dash.

So... for those of you who drink tears hear you go:

In the last round of FNM I had my control opponent dead (by my reading of dash) and as he countered the new haste dragon, and I responded "DASH!".He politely and quietly explained to me that dash does not put into play but casts for an alternate cost, an alternate cost which can be countered. Though, that wasn't the worst part, and since its you fuckers I'll tell you. Guy goes on to say (and he's being heartfelt NOT TROLLING) "I can see why you'd think that, I mean it would be perfect for red mana symbols have some effect that inherently works vs counters. He then makes this kinda sad/concerned face and goes "Why don't you just play control, man? You're pretty decent, so you could pilot it, and they get way better cards you have to admit?"

Rarely, have I embraced such humiliation...
Made an honest fuck up? Check.
Schooled like a sakura? Check.
Politely suggested to that leaving Vegas might be good for me, as the games are fixed.

Dear Wizards, why doesn't dash put things directly into play? Is it because you're love affair with blue is eternal?
Or is it that you just kinda feel like red by itself is for idiot scrumper fags? Tell us that we might amend.

Edit:

rhino, rhino rhino, siege rhino, rhino, siege siege, rhino rhino

Is that the theme to rawhide?

If not, "Rhino, Rhino, Rhino, Seige them Rhino, Rhinos! RHIINOS!"

[LP, of the Fires]

If it makes you feel better, goblin heelcutter is retarded in draft because it's dash is like double falter.

[Midnight_v]

If it makes you feel better, goblin heelcutter is retarded in draft because it's dash is like double falter.

Thanks Lp. . .

and midnight_v wept.

Actually, you know I had a good run till then, i got to Tymaret my entire army. so you know ymmv

[Kaitscralt]

He sieged against his family, he sieged against his friends. Mostly he just sieged.

Fucking applause. I laughed out loud.

Also... I while playing a match realized. . . that I had not paid enough attention to the wording of dash.

So... for those of you who drink tears hear you go:

In the last round of FNM I had my control opponent dead (by my reading of dash) and as he countered the new haste dragon, and I responded "DASH!".He politely and quietly explained to me that dash does not put into play but casts for an alternate cost, an alternate cost which can be countered. Though, that wasn't the worst part, and since its you fuckers I'll tell you. Guy goes on to say (and he's being heartfelt NOT TROLLING) "I can see why you'd think that, I mean it would be perfect for red mana symbols have some effect that inherently works vs counters. He then makes this kinda sad/concerned face and goes "Why don't you just play control, man? You're pretty decent, so you could pilot it, and they get way better cards you have to admit?"

Rarely, have I embraced such humiliation...
Made an honest fuck up? Check.
Schooled like a sakura? Check.
Politely suggested to that leaving Vegas might be good for me, as the games are fixed.

Dear Wizards, why doesn't dash put things directly into play? Is it because you're love affair with blue is eternal?
Or is it that you just kinda feel like red by itself is for idiot scrumper fags? Tell us that we might amend.

Edit:

rhino, rhino rhino, siege rhino, rhino, siege siege, rhino rhino

Is that the theme to rawhide?

If not, "Rhino, Rhino, Rhino, Seige them Rhino, Rhinos! RHIINOS!"

I don't really understand the point of his comment. If you fucked up an easy mechanic to understand, why would he suggest you start playing a more difficult deck to pilot? Saying you're decent and should play better decks after telling you how Dash works is weird. No offense to the scrumper before me, I guess.

[Lightning_Dolt]

It would have been nice if it couldn't be countered.

[Kaitscralt]

It would

[Midnight_v]

I don't really understand the point of his comment. If you fucked up an easy mechanic to understand, why would he suggest you start playing a more difficult deck to pilot?

Ah accumulated me beating everyone anyttime i've bothered to show up and playing with you know r/x scrumper aggro.
The idea is that fucking up that mechanic was a odd thing for me and... wait a fuckingminute@#$FUCKBBQ?

suggest you start playing a more difficult deck to pilot?

Standard... control... difficult...




Oh...hahahah... oh god..... omf...lol... o'stop kait, for a second
there I thought you were serious. That's why I stay here, you guys make me laugh out loud
at least once a day.

[hamfactorial]

It would be nice if Dash just won the game instantly right guys

[Midnight_v]

It would have been nice if it couldn't be countered

Uhm, yeah. I'm starting to think that its
an intrinsic flaw of magic. I'd like to set my redmage bias aside for a second and just talk about "balance".

Except... talking about shit like that is easy to bore people with, but you all probably know red is being trolled pretty consistently (and not by our resident assholes).

Lets put it like this. You know how White trolls the fuck out of red decks sometimes? Red needs to do that
shit to blue intrinsically. Instead reds getting some really hand me down effects and they're not allowed to have nice things. Disrpution: i used to play ponza and wildfire aperture but effects like stone rain so land d strategies are out . That's actually fine, but they need to replace red disruption, with something disruptive. I'm thinking turf wound and Solfatara style effects should be standard in red as their disruption.

Secondly, after looking at DASH... I realize, how horribly easy it would be to design things like that which DO evade counters and/or make red a little better without saying "can not be countered" on every card. Though red should be able to get "Can not be countered versions of all effects for like 1 color less mana tacked on. . Thats rantish I'm sure, but I'm just kinda disappointed with the things they offer.
Red is supposed to get some kind of mana aceleration, but its pretty much second class dark rituals which aren't there so much because... well ... storm.
Its also been given "Loot" effects like faithless looting and Wild guess and other shitty things like that which don't provide card advantage nor efficiency. Now the chandra effect isn't terrible, in fact its pretty decent, but it does price you into playing things only on your turn. Sometimes thats enough.

Aside from red needing the same cards like "Dash" but with "put into play for its dash cost" and not "cast" there are a few other things they could really use to get there, so what we're doing isn't just the realm of "the greatest lavamancers ever on earth" but a viable alternative to any other color.

I might start harrassing Mike Rosewater with this. I mean fuck I've been playing this damn game my whole life, and what do i get? Cards I love to play with? No. I get sieged, and laughed at by mediocre control players. Jesus. . .

[Midnight_v]

It would be nice if Dash just won the game instantly right guys

Are you being an serious? There's... probably a big difference between winning the game instantly and forcing a removal
spell out of an opponent but... then yeah. It would win the game sometimes on the spot, yeah. Which is what 5cc red things should be doing if you've done your job to that point.

[Midnight_v]

Ah yes, condescension after losing due to not knowing how a mechanic works. This is some quality FoS.

Condescension?
meh. see my sig.

I should have read the mechanic, which is one of the reasons I brought it up, I'm not ashamed of oversights, no none should be. The mechanic is ... wrong though, its a victim of ivory tower design. hell in this case i was.

Fos is constantly playing against the grain.

[zemanjaski]

Won the PPTQ today (amusingly it was like the wmcq run last year; went 5th, 2nd, 1st).

[Midnight_v]

Won the PPTQ today (amusingly it was like the wmcq run last year; went 5th, 2nd, 1st).

Good job man!

[Khaospawn]

It's about time, zem.

[Khaospawn]

Now make a fucking rhino joke.

[Kaitscralt]

I've won qualifiers for qualifiers before too, you don't see me getting my god damn plume up

[Kaitscralt]

Zem knows the work is not yet done

[Kaitscralt]

Midnight, why are your posts always full of sentences jump all over the place, watch where you're hitting enter you FUCK!

[Midnight_v]

Midnight, why are your posts always full of sentences that jump all over the place, watch where you're hitting enter you FUCK!

ah sorry.

[windstrider]

It would be nice if Dash just won the game instantly right guys

Are you being an serious? There's... probably a big difference between winning the game instantly and forcing a removal
spell out of an opponent but... then yeah. It would win the game sometimes on the spot, yeah. Which is what 5cc red things should be doing if you've done your job to that point.

It's difficult to take this comment seriously since not that long ago that's exactly what Hellrider (for four!), Thundermaw Hellkite, and Zealous Conscripts did on a consistent basis. Bonus points if you could chain two or more of them together on consecutive turns.

[zemanjaski]

Shaman of the Great Hunt is incredibly good, try him?

[zemanjaski]

Zem knows the work is not yet done

[zemanjaski]

Heroic is gas.

[zemanjaski]

Except when you don't have any gas which is half the time.

[windstrider]

Except when you don't have any gas which is half the time.

Eat more burritos.

[zemanjaski]

No good Mexican around here.

[windstrider]

No good Mexican around here.

That is a damn shame.

[Kaitscralt]

No good Mexican around here.

[zemanjaski]

Ya blew it.

[Midnight_v]

It would be nice if Dash just won the game instantly right guys

Are you being an serious? There's... probably a big difference between winning the game instantly and forcing a removal
spell out of an opponent but... then yeah. It would win the game sometimes on the spot, yeah. Which is what 5cc red things should be doing if you've done your job to that point.

It's difficult to take this comment seriously since not that long ago that's exactly what Hellrider (for four!), Thundermaw Hellkite, and Zealous Conscripts did on a consistent basis. Bonus points if you could chain two or more of them together on consecutive turns.

We really have no argument windstrider. They did, and so did falkenrath aristocrat and they they should continue to do so. Specifically, though, red (ish) card should just have some inherent card mechanics that provide things like: card advantage, temporal advantage, and disruption. Since we cant have protected threats (red) things like haste and things that occur regardless to how many counters their holding up is kindaa Good thing. Though, this forum is not to be taken seriously as indicated by the mexican siege rhinos.

[Kaitscralt]

this is the premiere cards the cards web zone

[Kaitscralt]

dtr, ctc
you and me
and siege rhino, baby

[Midnight_v]

dtr, ctc
you and me
and siege rhino, baby

Never gonna siege you up, never gonna rhino down. . .

[zemanjaski]

A+

[Lightning_Dolt]

He comes from a land down under,
where rhinos siege and men suspend plunder.