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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:32 am
by Lightning_Dolt
My Abzan box had a Jeskai seeded booster. :(

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:51 am
by Mcdonalds
Green, isn't green like half of everything you hate in magic?

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:11 am
by Self Medicated
Alex is gone, yay.

http://youtu.be/Pqfxzj7tFB8
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH AND WHY ARE MY EYES BLEEDING?

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:25 am
by zemanjaski
Lucky Star is fine in very small doses.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:51 am
by Dechs Kaison
Lucky Star is perfectly fine when done safely.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:54 am
by zemanjaski
Pretty much. It gets mind numbing pretty fast but it's good for a chuckle now and then.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:55 am
by zemanjaski
Anyone seen No Game No Life?

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:56 am
by Jamie
I don't feel like soulfireduder or monestary mentdude are good enough to main in uwr burn but I don't want to lose the week1 arms race on frf release

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:33 am
by Jamie
at the same time blaklanner's list looks good and it uses all the good new cards

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:56 am
by zemanjaski
UWR burn isnt a good deck, perhaps that is the problem.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:58 am
by zemanjaski
Now tell me it won a GP.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:18 am
by Jamie
yeah well uw heroic is a cheap deck. no honor

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:54 am
by zemanjaski
OK. I'll keep winning, you keep losing.

You hit a point in playing games competitively where you stop caring about forcing your own expectations onto the game and just approach it with an open mind - there is winning and losing and beyond that nothing.

If you think UW Heroic is cheap, you're a scrub and holding yourself back.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:00 am
by LP, of the Fires
Heroic seems pretty mediocre in all honesty. The more you play against it, the easier it gets to exploit the wholes in the deck. It's basically bant hexproof with less nut draws.

Jeskai on the other hand gained a TON from the new set. The more I've dicked around with the new cards, the more I'm liking soulfire grandmaster. Untapping with it in play gives you complete control over how aggressive or attrition based you want to the game to play out. Valorous stance is infinitely better then I though it would be since both halves actually do something. Oh, and shock's pretty good at being a cheap loot enabler in Token/ascendancy build while being a huge tempo swing.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:03 am
by zemanjaski
Sure, but one deck put up a lot more consistent results than the other, whatever impression the decks give.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:07 am
by zemanjaski
It doesn't help that most heroic decks are like 5+ cards from being good and the pilots are awful, but what can you expect from people who approach it from the mindset of "budget nutdraw deck"?

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:18 am
by LP, of the Fires
In the states at least, neither deck has put up great results besides opens where it's like 50/50 and at the GP level, I think jeskai decks have more top 16s so I don't know where your getting your info from.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:27 am
by zemanjaski
I believe your impression of the data is not accurate, but I will do my best to dig up some real numbers. At least on mtgo (the gold standard for how good a deck is) UW does very well.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:30 am
by Kaitscralt
Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens

one of these things has put up results

UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:32 am
by Kaitscralt
btw that is not a shot against UW Heroic, it's just by far most prevalent in the Tom Ross world, but it does very well there

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:32 am
by zemanjaski
The prevalent opinion in the pro community is that the only good decks at the end of the format were Jeskai Tokens, Abzan Aggro and UW Heroic. Whip decks were playable but slightly below the others.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:33 am
by zemanjaski
Yeah Jeskai Tokens or bust.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:36 am
by zemanjaski
Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens

one of these things has put up results

UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.
It was UWR Burn when it won the Russian GP right?

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:39 am
by Kaitscralt
i don't look in the direction of the motherland

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:13 pm
by LP, of the Fires
Has there been a standard Russian GP this format? Cause I don't think there was.

And I was also wrong about heroic and jeskai not top 8ing anything. Both decks Top 8'd GP san Antonio.

If anyone cares, before rotation, my shortlist of top decks would be all the siege rhino decks, GB constellation, and the various RW/x decks, pilgrim or tokens. Everything else is underpowered, inconsistent, or suffers typical positioning issues. What I mean by that is take UB control or RG agro decks. Both decks are good and have shown they can do really well, but they need specific metagames and won't show up in big numbers.

The constellation deck has basically been the best deck in the format for a while, but nobody plays it because it's excrutiatingly grindy and there are lots of tricky boardstates with a lot of stuff going on.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:00 pm
by Kaitscralt
:no2:

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:58 pm
by BlakLanner
at the same time blaklanner's list looks good and it uses all the good new cards
I am going to be making a few more modifications to the list in the coming days now that I have some testing on trice under my belt.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:06 pm
by Lightning_Dolt
Green, isn't green like half of everything you hate in magic?
Abzan was best positioned for 2HG last time, so I went for that. You have to play things you don't like in limited.

I ended up playing UWR control and my partner was Sultai Midrange-ish. We ended up second and lost to a team that opened three mythics. Ugin is a card.

Prize structure was bullshit. 24-8-8-8. Tournament organizer is a tool.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:19 pm
by Khaospawn
Why are we discussing Magic cards?

Nerds.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:37 pm
by Aodh
3-1 at PR w/ Mardu tokens. Lost a miserable game one in the last round to exacsies including 8 mana to double-pump a high sentinel and a black card (only card in hand) reveal to a Ruthless Ripper from 10->0. Won game 2 on a mulligan to 5, then got wrecked game 3 by outlast shenanigans and greed (Mardu Charm to block a 3/2 into his Abzan Charm for counters).

The black Rabblemaster is okay; the general is phenomenal in swarm decks; the +2/+1 for 4-mana spell was excellent.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:43 pm
by Khaospawn
:suicide:

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:52 pm
by Jamie
That feeling when people respond unironically to your baits and it makes you look like an idiot.
Just kill me

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:54 pm
by Jamie
0-|=>2015
0-|=>not using meme daggers

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:05 pm
by Mcdonalds
The troll life is a rough one but you shall prevail

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:10 pm
by Jamie
Today I learned I was a scrub holding myself back. You've swayed me zem! It's time to approach the game a winner and not a lowly scrub

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:10 pm
by Jamie
Let's have another "fun" argument. The last one was pretty good

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:12 pm
by Mcdonalds
Magic is srs bsns, anyone who says other wise is a filthy casual and should be banned

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:13 pm
by Mcdonalds
Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion

Vorthos players should be treated with the same level of contempt as doctor who fans

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:30 pm
by Kaitscralt
That feeling when people respond unironically to your baits and it makes you look like an idiot.
Just kill me
The difference between a good troll and a bad troll is that a good troll doesn't post this afterwards

Half of mtgs thinks I am the most retarded and uninformed human being in the universe. I would walk into community issues and walk out leaving at least half the thread thinking I'm mentally retarded

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:31 pm
by Khaospawn
Doesn't that happen here too?