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[Meta] So clearly in Khans we're seeing power level rollback

Post #1 by Alex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:54 am

Rosewater has said a few times in the past that they tend to do this at the beginning of new blocks, based on the power level of some of these spoiled rares, it looks like that may be the case here. It seems a little too soon for that to be happening already, since the last particularly powerful set was Innistrad. I don't feel like we've creeped into a point where the power level is too high. What gives?

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Post #2 by Jamie » Sat Sep 06, 2014 5:31 am

What format? There has been like maybe 4 cards spoiled so far that would be playable in a RTR-M15 standard based on powerlevel. I guess Utter End and that artifact might have some use in eternal formats or modern. I hope you aren't calling the weakass 5cmc creatures that don't do anything powerful.


I'm just hoping there will be a viable land-go control deck in standard when Khans is releasted

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Post #3 by Alex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 6:42 am

I'm saying basically none of them are powerful. After Innistrad, Return to Ravnica felt like a huge step backwards in power level. This feels reminiscent of that.

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Post #4 by DerWille » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:20 am

This does set feel on the weaker side. It also has an obsession with 5 drops. I'm not sure why they're going in this direction, but it reminds me of how Riot balanced League of Legends for years. Everything got weaker and "fun sized".

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Post #5 by Jamie » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:24 am

Yeah I misunderstood.

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Post #6 by Kaitscralt » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:00 am

I believe this is part of an admitted ongoing powering down of Standard. Five mana sweepers are now the norm, and it looks like you won't need a four mana one to handle this sets creatures.

On MTGS you can't say a set seems bad without being thrown to the nerd wolves, but damn, this set seems bad. Fattening it up with fetches is just lazy. They are anti-Scry and only work with one wedge mechanic (delve). I'm glad they are being reprinted, but compare now to LANDFALL!
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Post #7 by Alex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:15 am

I mean I'm not going to say that it's bad because the environment (format) could be awesome, but it is certainly a lot closer to battlecruiser Magic than what we got used to. I mean, this time two years ago I was playing with Batterskull and Wurmcoil Engine while board wiping for 1RR and fetching my Kessig Wolf Run with Primeval Titan, now I'm paying 5 for board wipes and 4 for Vindicate that doesn't hit lands.

I wasn't really whining so much as making an observation. I like battlecruiser Magic though so I might actually enjoy it.

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Post #8 by Mcdonalds » Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:23 am

Alex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:15 am wrote: I mean, this time two years ago I was playing with Batterskull and Wurmcoil Engine while board wiping for 1RR and fetching my Kessig Wolf Run with Primeval Titan, now I'm paying 5 for board wipes and 4 for Vindicate that doesn't hit lands.


That sounds fun, can we have that format?

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Post #9 by Jamie » Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:03 pm

This RTR-M15 was my first standard and I think it's great. I hear oldtimers say the same thing - that this was one of the best standard rotations ever.

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Post #10 by Col. Khaddafi » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:41 pm

Since this is a 3 color wedge set, shouldn't we expect a higher prevalence of large CMC cards than your typical monocolored or even dual-colored set though?
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Post #11 by Alex » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:43 pm

Yes, but with that generally comes higher power-level cards.

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Post #12 by LP, of the Fires » Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:54 pm

Regardless, I definitely do expect battle cruiser magic to be the norm (which I perSonally enjoy).
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Beatdown is hard, though.


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Post #13 by Tyrael » Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:22 pm

Jamie » Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:03 pm wrote:This RTR-M15 was my first standard and I think it's great. I hear oldtimers say the same thing - that this was one of the best standard rotations ever.


They were probably just glad Snapcaster was gone

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Post #14 by Kaitscralt » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:57 pm

Jamie the general consensus is that devotion Standard is one of the worst ever
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Post #15 by BlakLanner » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:55 pm

Devotion standard was one of the stalest ever, at least. I honestly don't remember the last standard format where two-three decks stood at the top for the entire year almost unchallenged.
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