The Pegging Chamber was the time when what you wanted was happening. Dude, it was months. The staff passed the torch for literal months and we stayed cordial. We didn't flame Nai about not saying a word despite being our liasion. The Pegging Chamber was our Magnum Opus for fixing the problems so much so that we even carried on negotiations with uninvolved dinosaurs like Senori when it was clear the administrators had abandoned us. I can't believe you can blame both sides.Yeah, you've been trying to reach out and have discussions for a long time. But as a group, you've also been repeatedly clashing with the staff, and trashing the people who are trying to help you:Are you fucking kidding me Az? Weve attempted to have an open mind everytime there is a new admin. We had an open mind with mikeyg, wprked pretty well. We had an open mind with Yukora, worked fucking great. An open mind with you, was perfect. We continued to have an open mond with every admin up until ER's promotion, Ill give ypu that one. But the rest? We didnt just jump them like a pack of dogs, what the fuck are you smoking? With each single one of them it wasnt until we met back alley mutterings,When's the last time any of you guys has had an open mind about the admin team?I've made it plain from the start that I thought the "rabid dog" approach was a huge mistake, although an understandable one. You didn't start the fight - but the way you handled the persecution is what has led to alienating the moderate forces on staff who would have eventually counter-balanced the opposition and come out on top, just as they did before.That last paragraph is a load of it Azrael. It's pretty low of you to put it the way you just did. I thought this thread was about Boubs? If not, I'm not done here.
Anyone remember when Scumbag laid into Sene in the pegging chamber? Up until that point, Sene was going to the mat to fight the decision for the gutter. But when the gutter turned around and planted a knife in his back, that tune changed pretty quick. At this point, you've systematically done the same thing to people who would otherwise have been willing to back you
and have a meaningful dialogue.
So yes, harsh words, but the gutter has made and is continuing to make some very dumb, very emotional moves.
Sure, this is about Boubs. And he's keeping an open mind. But he's listening to both the staff and the gutter to get his information. So if you want to convince him - you're probably going to need the iridium to sit down at the table and soften their position.
Oh right, we stabbed him in the back. Great point Azrael
And then Ive systematically stabbed people in the back.
What a crock dude.
Viper and Rian dropped out of the picture not long after the gutter-debacle. Those were the major forces behind that decision. None of the people who are there now, would have supported the closure.
Why do you think they're supporting it now?
double speak, politics, lies, and cover ups, as well as a refusal to do anything other than blow smoke up our asseses in discussions why they stalled us for who knows what reason.
The fact that you just decided that were in our situation for failure to give new admins a chance is fucking baffling Az. Are you so caught up in being this large, looming, omnipresent fix all political advisor that you lost site of how lng weve been tryong to have discussins (lol peggimg chamber) and how many times WE were given the run around?
Im not championing our innocence, but youre full of shit with that last comment, and I'm calling you out for that one. Da fuck man.
You can't attack the Senes and the Galspanics on staff who are most sympathetic to you, the ones who are counter-balancing the anti-gutter lobbyists, and expect those same people to keep on fighting for you. It's just not realistic, Kpaca.I really have no thoughts anymore. I tried and from what I can tell I am being called a
liar and incompetent I suspect part of the reason I didn't hear back from Hannes was because of the sale, but I still don't know. And now that we have an active owner it's really up to them.
I would still like to see the posts sent over to ( N_S ) and have the Salvation Gutter archived away and replaced with a link to MTGC. Based on the misinformation I am seeing on the other site though, I am done making any effort on this. You guys are on your own.
The gutter has alienated the people on staff who would have been its allies. Those people haven't been much good to the gutter throughout all this, they've been counter-balanced by lower staff, but I don't think the balance of power really shifted until Gals took over. But by this point,
the gutter has burned so many bridges that it really won't matter unless there's a major change in approach.
I expressed real feelings of betrayal before my banning because of what happened with the GPC and the staff laughed at me because Madding the Troll cannot feel slighted or disillusioned in their universe. And it has nothing to do with Curse. They just weren't interested in fixing things, and I know that because we had ML access and the conversation was stagnant there as well. We did our part and we did it
respectfully and we tried to keep the ball rolling up until kpaca got banned.
I'm sorry Azrael, I know you like them, but they're on Salvation every day and they blatantly ignored us during months (remember, literal months, check the dates) of peaceful, productive, respectful one-sided negotiations.