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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:32 am

My Abzan box had a Jeskai seeded booster. :(

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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:51 am

Green, isn't green like half of everything you hate in magic?

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:25 am

Lucky Star is fine in very small doses.
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Postby Dechs Kaison » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:51 am

Lucky Star is perfectly fine when done safely.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:54 am

Pretty much. It gets mind numbing pretty fast but it's good for a chuckle now and then.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:55 am

Anyone seen No Game No Life?
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Postby Jamie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:56 am

I don't feel like soulfireduder or monestary mentdude are good enough to main in uwr burn but I don't want to lose the week1 arms race on frf release

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Postby Jamie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:33 am

at the same time blaklanner's list looks good and it uses all the good new cards

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:56 am

UWR burn isnt a good deck, perhaps that is the problem.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:58 am

Now tell me it won a GP.
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Postby Jamie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:18 am

yeah well uw heroic is a cheap deck. no honor

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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:54 am

OK. I'll keep winning, you keep losing.

You hit a point in playing games competitively where you stop caring about forcing your own expectations onto the game and just approach it with an open mind - there is winning and losing and beyond that nothing.

If you think UW Heroic is cheap, you're a scrub and holding yourself back.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:00 am

Heroic seems pretty mediocre in all honesty. The more you play against it, the easier it gets to exploit the wholes in the deck. It's basically bant hexproof with less nut draws.

Jeskai on the other hand gained a TON from the new set. The more I've dicked around with the new cards, the more I'm liking soulfire grandmaster. Untapping with it in play gives you complete control over how aggressive or attrition based you want to the game to play out. Valorous stance is infinitely better then I though it would be since both halves actually do something. Oh, and shock's pretty good at being a cheap loot enabler in Token/ascendancy build while being a huge tempo swing.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:03 am

Sure, but one deck put up a lot more consistent results than the other, whatever impression the decks give.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:07 am

It doesn't help that most heroic decks are like 5+ cards from being good and the pilots are awful, but what can you expect from people who approach it from the mindset of "budget nutdraw deck"?
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:18 am

In the states at least, neither deck has put up great results besides opens where it's like 50/50 and at the GP level, I think jeskai decks have more top 16s so I don't know where your getting your info from.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:27 am

I believe your impression of the data is not accurate, but I will do my best to dig up some real numbers. At least on mtgo (the gold standard for how good a deck is) UW does very well.
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:30 am

Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens

one of these things has put up results

UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.
Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:32 am

btw that is not a shot against UW Heroic, it's just by far most prevalent in the Tom Ross world, but it does very well there
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:32 am

The prevalent opinion in the pro community is that the only good decks at the end of the format were Jeskai Tokens, Abzan Aggro and UW Heroic. Whip decks were playable but slightly below the others.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:33 am

Yeah Jeskai Tokens or bust.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:36 am

Stop talking about UWR "burn" and start talking about UWR Tokens

one of these things has put up results

UW Heroic puts up consistent results on the SCG circuit. You can now decide once and for all if those results matter to you. You can't only have them matter for the bad things or the good things.
It was UWR Burn when it won the Russian GP right?
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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:39 am

i don't look in the direction of the motherland
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:13 pm

Has there been a standard Russian GP this format? Cause I don't think there was.

And I was also wrong about heroic and jeskai not top 8ing anything. Both decks Top 8'd GP san Antonio.

If anyone cares, before rotation, my shortlist of top decks would be all the siege rhino decks, GB constellation, and the various RW/x decks, pilgrim or tokens. Everything else is underpowered, inconsistent, or suffers typical positioning issues. What I mean by that is take UB control or RG agro decks. Both decks are good and have shown they can do really well, but they need specific metagames and won't show up in big numbers.

The constellation deck has basically been the best deck in the format for a while, but nobody plays it because it's excrutiatingly grindy and there are lots of tricky boardstates with a lot of stuff going on.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:00 pm

:no2:
Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.

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Postby BlakLanner » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:58 pm

at the same time blaklanner's list looks good and it uses all the good new cards
I am going to be making a few more modifications to the list in the coming days now that I have some testing on trice under my belt.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:06 pm

Green, isn't green like half of everything you hate in magic?
Abzan was best positioned for 2HG last time, so I went for that. You have to play things you don't like in limited.

I ended up playing UWR control and my partner was Sultai Midrange-ish. We ended up second and lost to a team that opened three mythics. Ugin is a card.

Prize structure was bullshit. 24-8-8-8. Tournament organizer is a tool.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:19 pm

Why are we discussing Magic cards?

Nerds.
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Postby Aodh » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:37 pm

3-1 at PR w/ Mardu tokens. Lost a miserable game one in the last round to exacsies including 8 mana to double-pump a high sentinel and a black card (only card in hand) reveal to a Ruthless Ripper from 10->0. Won game 2 on a mulligan to 5, then got wrecked game 3 by outlast shenanigans and greed (Mardu Charm to block a 3/2 into his Abzan Charm for counters).

The black Rabblemaster is okay; the general is phenomenal in swarm decks; the +2/+1 for 4-mana spell was excellent.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:43 pm

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Postby Jamie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:52 pm

That feeling when people respond unironically to your baits and it makes you look like an idiot.
Just kill me

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Postby Jamie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:54 pm

0-|=>2015
0-|=>not using meme daggers

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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:05 pm

The troll life is a rough one but you shall prevail

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Postby Jamie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:10 pm

Today I learned I was a scrub holding myself back. You've swayed me zem! It's time to approach the game a winner and not a lowly scrub

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Postby Jamie » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:10 pm

Let's have another "fun" argument. The last one was pretty good

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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:12 pm

Magic is srs bsns, anyone who says other wise is a filthy casual and should be banned

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Postby Mcdonalds » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:13 pm

Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion

Vorthos players should be treated with the same level of contempt as doctor who fans

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Postby Kaitscralt » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:30 pm

That feeling when people respond unironically to your baits and it makes you look like an idiot.
Just kill me
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Standard hobos who play budget garbage should be looked upon with suspicion.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:31 pm

Doesn't that happen here too?
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